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Jailbreak community dead?
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1. There isn’t any money to make a tweak. Someone will just download the tweak for free on a hacked repo.
2. Saurik or whatever his name was could care less about trying to implement some sort of check for legit bought apps.
3. Seems like he got his cash and is over it
Things may have changed as these opinions were a couple iOS versions back, but not worth the time or hassle as a dev
2. Saurik or whatever his name was could care less about trying to implement some sort of check for legit bought apps.
3. Seems like he got his cash and is over it
Things may have changed as these opinions were a couple iOS versions back, but not worth the time or hassle as a dev
I don't think piracy is the issue here.
After the release of a new JB most apps are either updated or replaced by new apps with similar functionality.
As the last JB release is a while ago, it will be quiet on app releases, which always has been the case in between JB's.
Besides that Apple has implemented many good JB-app ideas in iOS in the last years.
It still can't beat BiteSMS or the old Lockinfo (boy did the developer screw the pooch on later releases), but many features are now available in stock.
And Saurik has absolutely nothing to do with a slowdown or death of JBing, more the other way around, without him JBing would have been buried a long time ago.
After the release of a new JB most apps are either updated or replaced by new apps with similar functionality.
As the last JB release is a while ago, it will be quiet on app releases, which always has been the case in between JB's.
Besides that Apple has implemented many good JB-app ideas in iOS in the last years.
It still can't beat BiteSMS or the old Lockinfo (boy did the developer screw the pooch on later releases), but many features are now available in stock.
And Saurik has absolutely nothing to do with a slowdown or death of JBing, more the other way around, without him JBing would have been buried a long time ago.
I'll have to disagree with all your points above.
There isnt much money lately because the jailbreaks were very limited to a few certain people only on older firmware and certain devices and they had many limitations like semitethered and certificate signing and other things that caused lots of headaches.
Even though there were pirated repos many people supported good hacks and their developers. Also they rather pay $2-3 instead of worrying about getting their info hijacked by malicious code that could be injected in those questionable stolen app repos.
Saurik always cared and he implemented checks and balances on hacks released officially by the cydia store.
Knowing Saurik for many years and the time, effort all the hard work he put in the JB scene since 2007 I dont think it was done for money or greed.
Don't be ridiculous, they'd come running back after a few days with Android OS.
All my previous smartphones are Android and was rooted dated back to Htc Evo. Now I'm using a stock IPhone 7 plus with 10.1.1. I'm tempted to jailbreak but stock iPhone is fine for my use, at least I'm not tinkering with my phone anymore (getting tired after a while). Android now are much tougher to root compares to before. Even rooted I still preferred this stock iOS 10.1.1
Depends on what community. People who JB for tweaks only, probably not. Themers, theme creators/modders, jailbreaking is dying fast. I only jailbreak for theme modding, and I have shared a lot of widget mods on modmyi. I still have a jailbroken iPhone I mod on, but it's been a pain staying on old iOS so I won't lose a JB. Waiting for a JB is why people stay on older versions longer. And what I don't like the most is semi-untethered jailbreaks. When I create mods, there are times where my changes won't show after a respring, so I have to reboot. Rebooting while creating mod more than a few times an evening, semi-untethered becomes pretty annoying.
I use my S7 more than my iPhone because I can still theme and mod without having to root. I can update my OS as soon as I want, and keep my theme setup without having start from scratch again. Also, my 2 favorite iOS theme creators are on android now... and more iOS theme community members are starting to follow. My setups works and looks the same as my themed iPhone (UNiAW animated SBHTML/XenHTML weather/touch widgets).
This is my setup today (dark moon by iOS theme creator @Coccco28)
I'm still on the S7 because I'm still a fan of the iPhone and want to see what the next iPhone has to offer. I'm not trying to be an android troll, I'm just keeping it real from the themer/modding side of the community. We all prefer not to have stock iOS, and have the freedom to do what we want to do on our phones.
I use my S7 more than my iPhone because I can still theme and mod without having to root. I can update my OS as soon as I want, and keep my theme setup without having start from scratch again. Also, my 2 favorite iOS theme creators are on android now... and more iOS theme community members are starting to follow. My setups works and looks the same as my themed iPhone (UNiAW animated SBHTML/XenHTML weather/touch widgets).
This is my setup today (dark moon by iOS theme creator @Coccco28)
I'm still on the S7 because I'm still a fan of the iPhone and want to see what the next iPhone has to offer. I'm not trying to be an android troll, I'm just keeping it real from the themer/modding side of the community. We all prefer not to have stock iOS, and have the freedom to do what we want to do on our phones.
It all depends of why you were doing it in the first place. As Apple system evolved I found it addressed most of the reasons why I jailbreaked and just could not be bothered any more. I first jailbreaked the 3GS and that was mainly to unlock it then started adding applications. I have always needed an unlocked phone and today i am using a 6S purchased unlocked. I am not particularly happy about them taking away the headphone jack and this might be the last iPhone i ever buy but intend to keep it until it falls apart.
It's pretty much dead because Apple has all but implemented JB tweaks into stock iOS.
I remember when I jailbroke soley to be able to use SwipeSelection. Now, that comes standard with Force touch iPhones.
I remember when I jailbroke soley to be able to use SwipeSelection. Now, that comes standard with Force touch iPhones.
For me I really only JB for the icons in the status bar, 5 icon dock and Android style swipe down.
Would really like something like LockInfo or Intelliscreen X. But these are totally dead now. And it seems there's nothing else out there like these as no one wants to waste their time developing these.
Would really like something like LockInfo or Intelliscreen X. But these are totally dead now. And it seems there's nothing else out there like these as no one wants to waste their time developing these.
Again, if you are willing to accept Apple's implementation of a tweak into a stock device than sure, you're right.
As for me, Apple's implementation of BiteSMS, f.lux and Eclipse doesn't come anywhere close to those tweaks - if they have anything like it at all.
Just go and try moving photos from one album to another. You can't stock! No Photoalbums+.
And Apple doesn't do ANYTHING like Callbar. You still have to unlock the phone and open the phone app to make a call stock.
Honestly, this willingness to accept a watered down version of a JB tweak on stock amazes me.
If jailbreaking is dead it's not because of Apple. It's apathy and a willingness to settle for less on the part of the userbase.
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Just my opinion, but I'll bet all those cracked repo sites put a serious hurt on JB devs. But besides that, devs were never really very responsive to their paying audience. Paying for a JB app that never gets updated, never gets bugs fixed, never gets updated to work with the latest OS, and has a dev who doesn't respond to emails is pretty crappy and far from par for the course. I've even emailed Saurik many times through the Cydia app, but I've never gotten a single response from him concerning my technical issues with the Cydia app, or being unable to download an app I paid for.
The jailbreak scene is dead, and while most of that blame goes to Apple, IMO some of it goes to the crappy devs who just took the money and ran. Kudos to the few devs remaining on there who answer their emails and respond to reddit requests, but they are few and far between.
I hear you, there was tons of paid hacks that were junk, buggy or caused multiple other issues to the phone.
Or the package never gets updated, no support from the dev etc...
Or instead of updating the hack for the new ios version they would just put it out with a new name and make you repurchase it.
Many shady tactics like you mentioned.
There were some very good and supportive devs but those were not many.
Or the package never gets updated, no support from the dev etc...
Or instead of updating the hack for the new ios version they would just put it out with a new name and make you repurchase it.
Many shady tactics like you mentioned.
There were some very good and supportive devs but those were not many.
If it is (and I don't agree that it is) I think a lot of the contribution to it's death at the end are the last semi-untethered jailbreaks.
Making things complicated because of expiring certificates, having to remember to jailbreak every time you reboot, loads of issues getting the jailbreak app to function, and Safe Mode being very tricky to get into really hurt things in my opinion.
It's caused a lot of unintentional upgrades and forced some people to willingly abandon their jailbreak out of frustration.
I know for some it's been a smooth ride, but these issues really make the value of a jailbreak in relation to the problems something to think about.
There have always been issues with jailbreaking and keeping your jailbreak but most of those centered around tweaks installed after a jailbreak, not issues encountered TRYING to re-jailbreak.
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Small sample size but at my work we have 50 employees and I can count off the top of my head 6 apple watches. that's just over 10% which isn't to bad.
That might say more about your workplace than about the iWatch success.
Maybe read up on today's iWatch item:
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/08/03/apple-watch-over-30m-lifetime-shipments/
"Cook has made similar statements in the past. In the March quarter, he noted that sales of Apple Watch nearly doubled year over year. In the December quarter, he announced that Apple Watch had its best quarter ever."
But still only 30 million units in 2 years.
Yes, perfect representation.
Lets judge the worldwide Apple Watch success based on who has one at your work
lolYour tile says jailbreaking is dead, but even the newest iPhone has received a jailbreak, you being on the wrong firmware is unfortunate I agree, but until a new device release and a iOS upgrade that runs that device goes until another release without any jb would I consider it dead... i recieve Cydia updates almost daily the community is still active when you can actually use and see it, with 10.3.3 you just see no jailbreak yet after month of waiting, but you should try to stay on lower frimwares if you value a jailbreak
Extra_recipe +Yalu b4
It is semi-untethered, every 5 days my provisioning profile on my account renews itself from the phone, so basically if my phone dies or I turn it off I simply run extra recipe and hit go. Instantly jailbroken.. haven't used the computer since cydia impactor to add extra recipe so no need for a 7day signing or even a yearly resign if on a enterprise account I had a 6s on 9.0.2 for a long time and skipped pangu 9.3.3 because of the semi-untether and didn't want that. Then updated for a series 1 apple watch two weeks before 10.2 jb dropped (just lucky) However semi-untethered isn't at all inconvenient for me would I rather it be untethered yes I suppose, but the fact is I free myself and take control of the device... I don't like walled garden iOS. A stock iPhone is practically worthless to me, and yes 10.1.1 and above for i7 don't have a jailbreak YET but four i7 firmwares are jailbreakable (10.0.1 10.0.2 10.0.3 10.1 10.1.1) Yalu102 works for most all other 64bit on 10.2 and no higher, but a jailbreak will come for your iOS version the key is to wait Yalu 102 exploit actually works on the iPhone 7 With iOS 10.2 but there is a different kpp bypass and after about 8-12 seconds it will check the system and see the kernel mods and cause a kernel panic restarting the device, so if anyone were to find a i7 10.2 bypass the few who have held on the firmware would then have a working jailbreak
Since kpp's introduction to iOS in iOS 9 with the 6s it's never been actually beaten and taken out of the picture, it has always been tricked with memory corruption and basically bypassed or sidestepped with buff overflows, and it is step one when trying to gain root privledges, every iOS becomes more secure and harder to gain read/write access... hard enough without firware that checks itself, but imagine having no bypass and you have to create one that works, or it will restart after every system check failure then recode the bypass now try again countless times, if and once finally bypassed then the need to then run the exploits and see if they can successfully move the file system in order for the jaibreak exploits to take affect properly,
By this point you have countless hours of your own code and frustrations into the work and you have to decide if you want to release it and hear from 2/3 of kids and people who should have never jailbroken blaming you for messing it up...
Keep the exploit and only use it for personal reasons, less likely to get patched,
Or share the process with a company willing to pay for things like this be it zerodium (spelling?) Apple or whoever
You should downgrade while you can off of 10.3.3 there are some exploits patched in that version, and I'll just assume you have no shsh2 blobs, but I could be wrong
I totally agree with this in situations where the developer charges for a tweak but then does nothing to resolve issues etc. If they don't charge then it's partially understandable if they don't provide any further support.
There's a guy who developed NCLink10, which is a paid tweak. I've messaged him via many email and Twitter and have not had one single reply.
In regard to pirating of tweaks. That is smack bank out of order. The guys developing these have spend hours on end developing these tweaks - no doubt on top of their day jobs, studying etc, and to have someone steal these is terrible!
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First of all I never said dead, but more dead then alive.
You assume that I'm unwillingly on 10.3.3, I am not.
Most here know I have been around for a while. I have been JBing since 4.01 on iPhone4, which I only bought when ultrasn0w came out to unlock, I actual Jailbroke it with Jailbreakme.com 5 minutes after I bought it with the Apple store Wifi
I switched to Android because of Dual-Sim so no iPhone any more. iPad JBing is not a must for me as it has limited value.
The iPad 2 is JBen, de mini 3 I had on 9.0.2 but with issues went to 9.3.3 with the awful semi-tether.
For business reasons I needed it at 10+ because the updated app needed that, which is one of the draw-backs of JBing and staying on lower firmware waiting for a new JB which takes longer and longer.
The iPadPro 10.5 came with 10.3.3 so no blobs anyway.
Many people try to sell the semi-tether as great, it is not, the problem is that it is the only way to get a JB nowadays, that does not make it great. It is a hassle and introduces a security risks the way it is setup.
Looking at the heydays of JBing conclusion is that it has become increasingly difficult and more restricted while many features are now available on stock iOS. Also the feverish flow of new and useful apps has become a trickle with many devs moving on to other things and other platforms.
Maybe we'll see a new JB for iOS 11 but it will take time to develop, especially so because of the likely spread-out release of the 2017 iPhone with the high-end unit rolling out in very limited quantities.
The Chinese only JB for their own app store so they will likely not burn any (if they have any) exploit early, they want a big as possible client base for their app store.
I am certain there are dozens of exploits around, but they are being sold for big money...times have changed from idealism and freedom to hard $.
I actually just completely gave up on JB a few weeks ago after years of doing it. I just ran out of reasons for doing it. Activator, cacheclearer, flex, and one or two other tweaks were the only ones I was using that weren't a novelty. The iOS 10 jailbreak is also pretty buggy, and semi-untether and weekly resigning are not exciting. The performance/security updates finally outweighed any benefit of jailbreaking and a few token tweaks.
I also totally agree that the number of worthwhile tweaks coming out are few and far between, not to say there isn't a ton of junk and tweaks adding visual garbage being tossed up. That, and it seems like every new OS means fewer updated tweaks by developers. You pay for one and cross your fingers a developer actually updates it for the next major OS or that it won't take forever.
That's not to say there won't be people that can't live without it, but the Pros list is getting progressively shorter IMO.
I also totally agree that the number of worthwhile tweaks coming out are few and far between, not to say there isn't a ton of junk and tweaks adding visual garbage being tossed up. That, and it seems like every new OS means fewer updated tweaks by developers. You pay for one and cross your fingers a developer actually updates it for the next major OS or that it won't take forever.
That's not to say there won't be people that can't live without it, but the Pros list is getting progressively shorter IMO.
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I have yet to run out of reasons…
However, October 2017 will mark two years on iOS 9.0.2 and two years on a single jailbreak for me. That's on a 6s+.
My iPhone 5 is stock on 10.3.1. I'm hoping to jailbreak it if I ever get that lucky. That said, if it's a semi-tethered jailbreak I am forced to stay with I will probably leave that phone stock.
Ultimately, it's not going to matter in early 2018, if when we upgrade, it's not to another iPhone.
Ok
I cut short the quote a bit as it serves no further purpose.
First of all I never said dead, but more dead then alive.
You assume that I'm unwillingly on 10.3.3, I am not.
Most here know I have been around for a while. I have been JBing since 4.01 on iPhone4, which I only bought when ultrasn0w came out to unlock, I actual Jailbroke it with Jailbreakme.com 5 minutes after I bought it with the Apple store Wifi
Yes your correct you said "jailbrek community dead?" Therefore it was interrogative, not declarative my mistake, I also miss the fast release of new jailbreaks, and hate the signing windows for the ipsw downgrades, but there are many posts and info that 10.3.2 has more exploits available that iOS 10.3.3 patched so I would downgrade now why you still can, I have jailbroken on all iPhones from the original on os 2 until the latest, only ever skipping 9.3.3 because the semi untether... I'm not saying it's great but it just is not the hastle that I had in mind when I was upgrading iOS for a semi untether jb