Jailbreak == FailBreak

[thelatinist]

I notice that you are quick to respond to people who don't show sufficient deference to your opinions, but you have not yet responded to my substantive arguments. In what way is it a negative thing for me to extend the functionality of my phone to make better use of its capabilities? Using apps from Cydia I have been able to store, manage, and edit files on my iPhone; use my phone as a mobile terminal as part of my job as a sysadmin; multitask; switch between open tasks; view, edit, and listen to files in formats not supported by Apple or by any App store app; view information about my phone; and manage my phone's memory -- all of which are things that Apple refuses to allow me to do through any native or App store application. None of these thing affects Apple's bottom line in any way (after all, Apple has already refused to allow these apps in its App store), and none of them negatively impacts the lovely user interface Apple has designed for me. So how again is this a problem?

 

[ikaka]

 

[gemz1000]

Why (rhetorical) do people bother to Jailbreak their devices?. I mean SERIOUSLY?. Apple design a lovely clean UI, with simple, attractive icons... and then some Failbreaker comes up with... THIS?!

I can totally understand wanting to unlock an iPhone to use another network, but Jailbreaking just opens the whole device up, in a way it is not supposed to be opened up, exposing it to lagginess, crashing, memory leaks, UI inconsistencies (looks and feels broken) and possibly a lot more I haven't thought of yet.

I once Jailbroke my iPod touch, to see what all the fuss was about... and was disappointed with all the inconsistencies, tbh. I even managed to get root access to iPhone OS terminal, and ERASE THE WHOLE OS!.

Fail!!

Maybe some people need to keep their opinion to them self. If they want to jailbreak it, then fine let them.

Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean you can complain and insult everyone else.

 

[Konz]

That... is awesome

 

[TheSpaz]

Because they do

That... is awesome

I'm not a fan. It doesn't look like "Apple" to me.

You can make your home screen look like some super crazy futuristic OS, but when you launch an app, you still get the same old iPhone UI so what's the point?

I'm all about consistency and style matching. Keeping things stock not only allows the iPhone to run exactly the way Apple intended, but it keeps it looking authentic and consistent.

I'm not a fan of the iNav at all.

 

[thelatinist]

I'm all about consistency and style matching. Keeping things stock not only allows the iPhone to run exactly the way Apple intended, but it keeps it looking authentic and consistent.

It seems that far too often, TheSpaz, you forget that neither your design judgments nor Steve Jobs' are binding upon the rest of us.

 

[freepeacesweet]

Why Jailbreak?? ----- Because you can!

Just like anything in life we personalize, take risks, try new things, want adventure, want something else, want something more or else it gets pretty boring after a while.

 

[glossywhite]

I'm not a fan. It doesn't look like "Apple" to me.

You can make your home screen look like some super crazy futuristic OS, but when you launch an app, you still get the same old iPhone UI so what's the point?

I'm all about consistency and style matching. Keeping things stock not only allows the iPhone to run exactly the way Apple intended, but it keeps it looking authentic and consistent.

I'm not a fan of the iNav at all.

That looks like the Windows 7 team got hold of the device!

I notice that you are quick to respond to people who don't show sufficient deference to your opinions, but you have not yet responded to my substantive arguments. In what way is it a negative thing for me to extend the functionality of my phone to make better use of its capabilities? Using apps from Cydia I have been able to store, manage, and edit files on my iPhone; use my phone as a mobile terminal as part of my job as a sysadmin; multitask; switch between open tasks; view, edit, and listen to files in formats not supported by Apple or by any App store app; view information about my phone; and manage my phone's memory -- all of which are things that Apple refuses to allow me to do through any native or App store application. None of these thing affects Apple's bottom line in any way (after all, Apple has already refused to allow these apps in its App store), and none of them negatively impacts the lovely user interface Apple has designed for me. So how again is this a problem?

You'd find it tough as a developer - do you know about [alloc[init]] and autoreleasing of ram?. Do you know about the Apple H.I.G.?. I think you'll find that the developer and creator of iPhone OS knows a little better about how to manage resources, than you or anyone at Cydia does. Do you have the circuit schematics, blueprints or iPhone OS source code?. Do you know what Apple have up their sleeve?.

If you want freedom to fiddle and customise, get a Linux-based phone (G2 etc). If you appreciate lovely aesthetics, smooth, fluid UI behaviours and lack of "visual noise", IE the 101 gadgets that people think they MUST have at all times to do everything, then noone is stopping you. Imagine someone's first ever iPhone experience is a Jailbroken one, and it lags or crashes and has some ghastly theme - there may not be more informed people around to tell the person that it is Jailbroken - someone may buy one off eBay, Jailbroken, without knowing it. Apple's reputation could suffer because of experiences like this, in the same way that it could and maybe DOES suffer by the existance of morons @ Psystar.

This is why apps are digitally signed and vetted - it is not FOR you to know the precise inner working of Apple's app store approval procedure and R&D dept - suffice to say they know a LOT, LOT better than any of us, and that includes Cydia/legitimate iPhone OS developers about why things are the way they are.

You can argue until you are blue in the face - why bother - it is how it is. Deal with it.

 

[Natesac]

i'm with thelatinist. I have used Jailbreaking to make a few small tweeks that apple does not allow just yet. Such as background apps.

If apple wanted to end jailbreaking they could, but they haven't. Honestly I bet they are a little impressed by what the "jailbreak community" has done.

Many iPhone owners were Moto Razr users before the switch. So I understand that Apple feels the need to keep a simple and coherent user experience on the iPhone. However, it is lacking in depth for many users and Jailbreaking is the only answer.

The way I look at it. If Apple wanted to keep everyone happy. They would create some Pro version of the iPhone OS and App Store. That way the Razr crowd would be happy and the Jailbreak crowd might "come home".

just a thought

 

[glossywhite]

i'm with thelatinist. I have used Jailbreaking to make a few small tweeks that apple does not allow just yet. Such as background apps.

If apple wanted to end jailbreaking they could, but they haven't. Honestly I bet they are a little impressed by what the "jailbreak community" has done.

Many iPhone owners were Moto Razr users before the switch. So I understand that Apple feels the need to keep a simple and coherent user experience on the iPhone. However, it is lacking in depth for many users and Jailbreaking is the only answer.

The way I look at it. If Apple wanted to keep everyone happy. They would create some Pro version of the iPhone OS and App Store. That way the Razr crowd would be happy and the Jailbreak crowd might "come home".

just a thought

Apple don't compete by trying to be like other people's products - had you not noticed?.

 

[thelatinist]

Why, pray, do you think it is "FOR you" to determine how I or anyone else should use our iPhones? The fact remains that my iPhone is far more useful in its current jailbroken state than it would be un-jailbroken. Right now my iPhone is reading (yes, reading!) a book aloud to me as I browse the Internet. Just why do you feel that I should not be able to have my phone do this? Or why should I not be able to listen to streaming music while I check my email? I do not believe that "because Apple doesn't want me to" is an adequate reason.

 

[ikaka]

That looks like the Windows 7 team got hold of the device!



You'd find it tough as a developer - do you know about [alloc[init]] and autoreleasing of ram?. Do you know about the Apple H.I.G.?. I think you'll find that the developer and creator of iPhone OS knows a little better about how to manage resources, than you or anyone at Cydia does. Do you have the circuit schematics, blueprints or iPhone OS source code?. Do you know what Apple have up their sleeve?.

If you want freedom to fiddle and customise, get a Linux-based phone (G2 etc). If you appreciate lovely aesthetics, smooth, fluid UI behaviours and lack of "visual noise", IE the 101 gadgets that people think they MUST have at all times to do everything, then noone is stopping you. Imagine someone's first ever iPhone experience is a Jailbroken one, and it lags or crashes and has some ghastly theme - there may not be more informed people around to tell the person that it is Jailbroken - someone may buy one off eBay, Jailbroken, without knowing it. Apple's reputation could suffer because of experiences like this, in the same way that it could and maybe DOES suffer by the existance of morons @ Psystar.

This is why apps are digitally signed and vetted - it is not FOR you to know the precise inner working of Apple's app store approval procedure and R&D dept - suffice to say they know a LOT, LOT better than any of us, and that includes Cydia/legitimate iPhone OS developers about why things are the way they are.

You can argue until you are blue in the face - why bother - it is how it is. Deal with it.

Ohh let's not go there, that developer's outside of Apple are ****, trust me there are developers out there WAAY better then what apple has up their sleeve
Apple has access to all the "blueprints" as you say and yet some phone didn't wake up from sleep mode on 3.0 and 3.1 the "comma issue", buggy Safari, SMS tone issues, crashing Apps, which all have to be updated via firmware to fix, if they are so great why isn't it perfect right away?

With all the jailbreaking and gadgets my phone is as fluent as it was before just a lot more productive after jailbreaking. I haven't had a single crash since I installed 3.1 and then 3.1.2.
It's a user error and you can easily f**ckup the iPhone without Jailbreaking

Ohh and about coding, iTunes is considered the worst coded piece of software ever made, read up on that one

 

[TheSpaz]

That looks like the Windows 7 team got hold of the device!



You'd find it tough as a developer - do you know about [alloc[init]] and autoreleasing of ram?. Do you know about the Apple H.I.G.?. I think you'll find that the developer and creator of iPhone OS knows a little better about how to manage resources, than you or anyone at Cydia does. Do you have the circuit schematics, blueprints or iPhone OS source code?. Do you know what Apple have up their sleeve?.

If you want freedom to fiddle and customise, get a Linux-based phone (G2 etc). If you appreciate lovely aesthetics, smooth, fluid UI behaviours and lack of "visual noise", IE the 101 gadgets that people think they MUST have at all times to do everything, then noone is stopping you. Imagine someone's first ever iPhone experience is a Jailbroken one, and it lags or crashes and has some ghastly theme - there may not be more informed people around to tell the person that it is Jailbroken - someone may buy one off eBay, Jailbroken, without knowing it. Apple's reputation could suffer because of experiences like this, in the same way that it could and maybe DOES suffer by the existance of morons @ Psystar.

This is why apps are digitally signed and vetted - it is not FOR you to know the precise inner working of Apple's app store approval procedure and R&D dept - suffice to say they know a LOT, LOT better than any of us, and that includes Cydia/legitimate iPhone OS developers about why things are the way they are.

You can argue until you are blue in the face - why bother - it is how it is. Deal with it.

Everyone thinks that they know how to do things better than Apple. I've jailbroken every single iPhone OS version and I always go back to stock. I don't want a bunch of extra crap clogging up my limited iPhone resources and Cydia is Hydious. It takes away from the good iPhone experience by making it more like a PC.

 

[iPhone 62S]

Why Jailbreak?? ----- Because you can!

Just like anything in life we personalize, take risks, try new things, want adventure, want something else, want something more or else it gets pretty boring after a while.

This too! If Steve Jobs looked at mobiles in 2003 and thought "yeah, they work fine, there's no point making our own because there are already phones", then there would be no iPhone would there?

And in the same way you wouldn't complain about the iPhone if you don't like it (unless you're TheSpaz), you'd just buy a different phone, you should also just not jailbreak your iPhone if you don't like it.

PS: if you create a thread with no real point, but just stating a opinion that many people don't agree with, which you know will get a negative reaction, then continuing a argument about it... It's trolling.

 

[ikaka]

Everyone thinks that they know how to do things better than Apple. I've jailbroken every single iPhone OS version and I always go back to stock. I don't want a bunch of extra crap clogging up my limited iPhone resources and Cydia is Hydious. It takes away from the good iPhone experience by making it more like a PC.

I love my PC and wouldn't trade it for a MAC even if I get paid for it, I love the freedom of the PC and all my research software and games work compared to a MAC thank you very much

 

[ikaka]

That is merely your PERCEPTION of what I am saying. Saying something is fact, doesn't make it so, any more than my opinion is or isn't fact.

You read up on iTunes there buddy? Maybe you'll stop bashing developers outside Apple?

 

[glossywhite]

You read up on iTunes there buddy? Maybe you' stop bashing developers outside Apple?

Again, perception, not necessarily fact. If you guys cannot accept someone's opinion, well I don't think it will be me getting stressed, do you?.

 

[mdwsta4]

glossywhite - get off your high horse.

while i agree many people may create 'ugly' themes in my eyes, it's their phone and they can do what they want. do you get this upset if someone isn't wearing clothes you like? or drive a color car you prefer?
jailbreaking allows people to do what they like. you saying the original way is functional and elegant and no other theme can be is absolutely absurd. do we all have to be sheep doing every single thing the exact same?

what's wrong with adding functionality such as sbsettings (turn on/off bluetooth, airplane mode, etc) without having to delve into multiple menus? or running apps in the background? or the multitude of other great enhancements developers have done through the jailbroken community. the phone is clearly capable of more but apple doesn't want users using them.

and how can you say possibly know what the 'right' way to do things? what's right for one person may not be for another. customization allows the user to do what is best for them. i'm surprised you're not upset that people can custom set buttons or mouse features in OSX. god forbid they want to do something different like make the center button open expose instead of dashboard.

as far as stealing apps, i've never once done that and i would argue the majority of jailbreakers don't either. hell, i've even paid for a few useful apps in cydia!

in regards to your poor experience with jailbreaking, you obviously had no idea what were you doing and had no business jailbreaking your phone. there are warnings all over the place that if you don't know what you're doing, don't do it! i've been jailbreaking since you had to type manual code into the original iphone and have never done something as stupid as delete the OS or anything that would cause the phone not to function.


obviously everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but saying that everyone has to follow the exact same formula is small minded.

 

[ikaka]

Maybe they do fly - if you say they do that's fine with me - I'm open minded dude. I neither agree nor disagree - a little bit like the existance of other forms of life - I have no proof either way, so it would make me a fool to say one hundred percent, that there are/are not other life forms in the universe, for one day I may be proved wrong.

You chose a rather abstract retort, but hey - if it makes you happy, that's all good by me

The why are you so closed minded toward jailbreakers? We love the extra abilities of our iPhones! The Original OS for US just doesn't cut it anymore, it's blunt, old and closed off.

 

[ikaka]

{side note}

Of the ~550 odd views of this thread, I find it amusing that only ~60 ish people have made a negative or defensive response...

That doesn't necessarily mean that only 60 out of the 550 are the only once jailbreaking. In Fact it preaty much doesn't give any information. Why is it amusing?

 

[ikaka]

"AVRCP with iPhone 3G S " has 5040 views and only 6 responses... and??

 

[glossywhite]

The why are you so closed minded toward jailbreakers? We love the extra abilities of our iPhones! The Original OS for US just doesn't cut it anymore, it's blunt, old and closed off.

Ah - now we're getting a bit of sense!. I'm not against the PEOPLE who do it, I just find the idea ridiculous and bemusing. Apple have built the perfect platform upon which to play games/use apps/buy apps, with a lovely elegant and efficient UI, but then hackers (in the good sense, mostly) come along and are desperate to prove they can one-up Apple, and make a better job of it.

If this were the case, then why didn't the Cydia community invent & market iPhone?.

Please remember - and I promise you - I am NOT here to cause offence, this is SIMPLY my opinion - I think this is a major undermining of Apple's integrity and forward-thinking as the platforms' inventors, in a similair way that it is VERY stupid for Palm to subvert iTunes, to allow the Pre to sync.

I find it insulting to fiddle and mess with intellectual property & OS X, without Apple's carte blanche - the same applies to Hackintosh. I am NOT a fanboy OR anti-fanboy, these are simply personal opinions - ignore me if you wish, I don't care.

 

[ikaka]

Ah - now we're getting a bit of sense!. I'm not against the PEOPLE who do it, I just find the idea ridiculous and bemusing. Apple have built the perfect platform upon which to play games/use apps/buy apps, with a lovely elegant and efficient UI, but then hackers (in the good sense, mostly) come along and are desperate to prove they can one-up Apple, and make a better job of it.

If this were the case, then why didn't the Cydia community invent & market iPhone?.

Please remember - and I promise you - I am NOT here to cause offence, this is SIMPLY my opinion - I think this is a major undermining of Apple's integrity and forward-thinking as the platforms' inventors, in a similair way that it is VERY stupid for Palm to subvert iTunes, to allow the Pre to sync.

I find it insulting to fiddle and mess with intellectual property & OS X, without Apple's carte blanche - the same applies to Hackintosh. I am NOT a fanboy OR anti-fanboy, these are simply personal opinions - ignore me if you wish, I don't care.

Us jailbreakers consider a freedom of choice, so we choose what we want to do with OUR hadrware and software not Apple nor anyone else.


"lovely elegant and efficient UI, but then hackers (in the good sense, mostly) come along and are desperate to prove they can one-up Apple, and make a better job of it."

Didn't you read anything people posted why we choose to jailbreak? If you are so blunt to say that this is your opinion you could have at least read our opinions and HUGE advantages to jailbreaking

 

[labman]

Well I see it like this

op likes the how Apple setup his phone the firmware and likes his phone the way it is. no problem op enjoy your phone.

myself and other enjoy our phones but are unhappy with the restrictions like running programs in the background being able to organize apps in folders so I can quickly access them. also enjoy changing themes.

again different strokes for different folks! Next!

btw never experienced any of these

exposing it to lagginess, crashing, memory leaks, UI inconsistencies (looks and feels broken) and possibly a lot more I haven't thought of yet.

 

[TSX]

You must not have a 3gs then.

Everyone thinks that they know how to do things better than Apple. I've jailbroken every single iPhone OS version and I always go back to stock. I don't want a bunch of extra crap clogging up my limited iPhone resources and Cydia is Hydious. It takes away from the good iPhone experience by making it more like a PC.