Jailbreak == FailBreak

[Artofilm]

glossywhite, I agree with mostly everything you said in this thread.
Although, I have found in the MacRumors forums, if you say something that the majority does not agree with, you will get teamed, smacked down and called a troll because you're not allowed to express an opinion of your own.

It happens a lot on this site, which is why I pretty much don't post anymore.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

The problem with your "opinion", OP, is that you're lumping everybody in the jailbreaking community into one horde. This makes no sense because everybody does it for different reasons. You're also parroting over and over that this is "just your opinion" and nobody has to agree, yet when somebody poses their opinion as an argument you shoot it down and say it's wrong and not Apple's way.

Personally, I jailbreak so I can distinguish when I get a text message in a house with five roommates who all have iPhones. And don't say "use HORN!!!" because it sounds ridiculous. I also use LockInfo so I can check my lockscreen for emails. It seems silly that I should have to unlock my phone to see that I have no new emails. Can you justify Apple's logic on that one?

On the other hand, I will agree that the theme you presented in your OP is hideous along with about 98% of the rest found in Cydia. This doesn't change the fact that there are several useful tools that are available in the jailbreak community and not in the App Store.

 

[glossywhite]

glossywhite, I agree with mostly everything you said in this thread.
Although, I have found in the MacRumors forums, if you say something that the majority does not agree with, you will get teamed, smacked down and called a troll because you're not allowed to express an opinion of your own.

It happens a lot on this site, which is why I pretty much don't post anymore.

They don't get that I'm not seeking agreeance OR approval - just expressing myself. Shame for them, trying to call me a fanboy, whilst exhibiting pack behaviour! ROFL

Maybe, but we get the latest firmware & benefits a LOT, LOT sooner than JB'd devices.

Imagine you didn't know your iDevice was Jailbroken, and took it in for a repair... warranty void = FAIL.

Don't tell me that EVERYONE knows when they are Jailbroken - you've just not thought about the inconceivable number of scenarios within which it could and likely DOES, happen.

 

[polobreaka]

Maybe, but we get the latest firmware & benefits a LOT, LOT sooner than JB'd devices.

Imagine you didn't know your iDevice was Jailbroken, and took it in for a repair... warranty void = FAIL.

Don't tell me that EVERYONE knows when they are Jailbroken - you've just not thought about the inconceivable number of scenarios within which it could and likely DOES, happen.

doesnt matter, im not in a hurry to update when a new update is out. usually there are bugs in the beginning. suckers like you will encounter them first and report to us.

i think you would be the only FAIL one to not know whether your device is jailbroken or not. if you are capable of jailbreak, you know what you are getting into.

and wtf is a "iDevice"....you're so corny.

 

[TheSpaz]

I love my PC and wouldn't trade it for a MAC even if I get paid for it, I love the freedom of the PC and all my research software and games work compared to a MAC thank you very much

Anyways… If you wanna jailbreak your iPhone, go ahead… there's nobody stopping you, but the point of the thread was that people tend to go OVERBOARD because they "CAN".

I know quite a few people who jailbreak their iPhones to make them look and act like every other smart phone out there, but that's not what the iPhone experience is about.

The OP is just expressing that a lot of people jailbreak to make their iPhone ugly and un-Apple, but then what's the point in having an iPhone? Plus, the jailbreak software is really sketchy and contain memory leaks and mostly have horrible UIs. Basically, it looks like what it's called… hacks.

When I jailbreak, I don't install anything from Cydia. I either add more SMS tones or fix 3rd party App icons. In fact, I don't even install Cydia!

Jailbreaking has it's uses, but I try to keep the Apple experience as close as possible.

 

[glossywhite]

Anyways… If you wanna jailbreak your iPhone, go ahead… there's nobody stopping you, but the point of the thread was that people tend to go OVERBOARD because they "CAN".

I know quite a few people who jailbreak their iPhones to make them look and act like every other smart phone out there, but that's not what the iPhone experience is about.

The OP is just expressing that a lot of people jailbreak to make their iPhone ugly and un-Apple, but then what's the point in having an iPhone? Plus, the jailbreak software is really sketchy and contain memory leaks and mostly have horrible UIs. Basically, it looks like what it's called… hacks.

When I jailbreak, I don't install anything from Cydia. I either add more SMS tones or fix 3rd party App icons. In fact, I don't even install Cydia!

Jailbreaking has it's uses, but I try to keep the Apple experience as close as possible.

So true (watch out for the torrent of "you two are fanboys" type replies! )

 

[iHateMacs]

I think Apple want people to have root access and do what they like.

The problem is, they cannot condone it because of network operators, plus they don't want the headache of supporting a phone where people can really do damage if they don't know what they are doing.

Jail breaking is the answer. On the face of it Apple pretend to stop it by patching up exploits but they know people can and do get around it. It;s just to placate AT&T

Now, they have an excuse not to help you. If it's be Jail Broken then they can just turn you away.

Imagine little Johnny with his new out of the box 3GS and deleting all the files with the built in Apple Bash.app. Apple Inc would be bankrupt over night with the support costs. So obviously they cannot ship the phone with that functionality. With Jail Breaking comes a huge responsibility.

I bet Steve Jobs' phone is jail broken, if only so he download clips of America's Next Top Model with Mxtube to watch later when he's out of AT&T coverage.

 

[glossywhite]

I think Apple want people to have root access and do what they like.

The problem is, they cannot condone it because of network operators, plus they don't want the headache of supporting a phone where people can really do damage if they don't know what they are doing.

Jail breaking is the answer. On the face of it Apple pretend to stop it by patching up exploits but they know people can and do get around it. It;s just to placate AT&T

Now, they have an excuse not to help you. If it's be Jail Broken then they can just turn you away.

Imagine little Johnny with his new out of the box 3GS and deleting all the files with the built in Apple Bash.app. Apple Inc would be bankrupt over night with the support costs. So obviously they cannot ship the phone with that functionality. With Jail Breaking comes a huge responsibility.

I bet Steve Jobs' phone is jail broken, if only so he download clips of America's Next Top Model with Mxtube to watch later when he's out of AT&T coverage.

Ahh, conspiracy theory; how to provide a factual & de-facto, no-brainer answer for all debates - GENIUS!

I'll leave you all to it - this has become incredibly boring. Night!.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

I think Apple want people to have root access and do what they like.

The problem is, they cannot condone it because of network operators, plus they don't want the headache of supporting a phone where people can really do damage if they don't know what they are doing.

Jail breaking is the answer. On the face of it Apple pretend to stop it by patching up exploits but they know people can and do get around it. It;s just to placate AT&T

Now, they have an excuse not to help you. If it's be Jail Broken then they can just turn you away.

Imagine little Johnny with his new out of the box 3GS and deleting all the files with the built in Apple Bash.app. Apple Inc would be bankrupt over night with the support costs. So obviously they cannot ship the phone with that functionality. With Jail Breaking comes a huge responsibility.

I bet Steve Jobs' phone is jail broken, if only so he download clips of America's Next Top Model with Mxtube to watch later when he's out of AT&T coverage.

I would like to believe this based on the fact that I've been to the genius bar with a jailbroken iPhone several times and still have my warranty intact but in reality I'm sure it's more "employees don't give a damn" than anything.

 

[jason221]

Two things I don't understand about glossywhite:

1) (S)He said (s)he was abandoning this thread and then kept replying when more people wrote back.

2) His(Her) signature is just a link to http://www.facebook.com/. Why?

 

[tboooe]

To each their own but for me, without JB, the iphone is not a very good device.

 

[iHateMacs]

Apple don't compete by trying to be like other people's products - had you not noticed?.

I think a few law suits would disagree with you there.

Apple don't have many new ideas.

Wasn't the Newton OS or the hand writing recognition based on the work of a Russian? Maybe he got paid, but it certainly wasn't Apple's work.

 

[labman]

Everyone thinks that they know how to do things better than Apple. I've jailbroken every single iPhone OS version and I always go back to stock. I don't want a bunch of extra crap clogging up my limited iPhone resources and Cydia is Hydious. It takes away from the good iPhone experience by making it more like a PC.

hmmm and you were on 2.1.1 for how long after most switched to 3.0. Different strokes for different folks. You sir are a prime example. btw still wanna know why you have gotting rid of the Iphone yet you said you were switching and bored with it!

 

[labman]

1+

I would like to believe this based on the fact that I've been to the genius bar with a jailbroken iPhone several times and still have my warranty intact but in reality I'm sure it's more "employees don't give a damn" than anything.

I have done this too. one told me to take it home reinstall the original firmware and come back in a few days. another committed how much he liked my JB setup. but know warrenty was lost at any time!

 

[instaxgirl]

I even managed to get root access to iPhone OS terminal, and ERASE THE WHOLE OS!.

Fail!!

Unlike a lot of people in this thread I'm going to try and be civil in reply to your posts, but erasing your OS was really your own fault. If you know what root access was then you should've known not to mess around with it.

I just find the idea ridiculous and bemusing. Apple have built the perfect platform upon which to play games/use apps/buy apps, with a lovely elegant and efficient UI, but then hackers (in the good sense, mostly) come along and are desperate to prove they can one-up Apple, and make a better job of it.

. . .

I think this is a major undermining of Apple's integrity and forward-thinking as the platforms' inventors, in a similair way that it is VERY stupid for Palm to subvert iTunes, to allow the Pre to sync.

But they clearly haven't created a perfect platform, otherwise people wouldn't be jailbreaking.

I don't jailbreak for themes because on that I do agree with you, it takes far too much work to even get all the icons matching on a very basic theme like Picnic, let alone the complicated ones and I find the inconsistencies jarring.

I also find the 25 apps on one page thing unattractive. However, my phone is so much more useful when jailbroken.

1. I can record video
2. I can play the old sega games I had when I was 5 (maybe not useful as such )
3. I can reply to or compose an sms from within any application
4. And my sms app tells me when I've gone over 1 sms
5. And how many texts I've sent in a month
6. It also has smilies, which I just like
7. I can quickly turn wifi on or off
8. I can make it so my screen stays in landscape when I'm reading an ebook in bed
9. I can background apps (eg. for when I'm running, I want both my C25K app and an app that records distance and calories burnt running at the same time)
10. I can use kirikae to quickly switch between apps (endlessly useful)
11. I can go into my phone's file system (I once lost a favourite photo, it was set as my phone's wallpaper at the time. The only way to retrieve it was through iFile or SSH)
12. I can quickly and easily free memory without having to reboot my entire phone.
13. I can hide the Apple apps I don't want cluttering up my Springboard
14. I can have a battery % indicator
15. I can reduce the amount of apps clutter by tidying the rarely used (but still handy) ones into folders.
16. Oh and I can send mms despite having a 2G.

And I had almost every upgrade introduced in 3.0 before it was released. The vast majority of the reasons I jailbreak I believe should come as standard. I can see why applications such as iFile could cause problems but things like a quick switch to turn wifi on and off needs to be implemented. For me an unjailbroken iPhone is the fail.

 

[TheSpaz]

hmmm and you were on 2.1.1 for how long after most switched to 3.0. Different strokes for different folks. You sir are a prime example. btw still wanna know why you have gotting rid of the Iphone yet you said you were switching and bored with it!

I'm still on 2.2.1 because 3.x runs like crap for me, so I don't want it. This isn't about what OS you're running... Jailbreaking and theming slows down your iPhone.

 

[ikaka]

I'm still on 2.2.1 because 3.x runs like crap for me, so I don't want it. This isn't about what OS you're running... Jailbreaking and theming slows down your iPhone.

Theming, maybe, depends on the theme
But claiming that just by jailbreaing a device it becomes slower??
You should first read what jailbreaking does to the OS before making any such claims Sir

 

[iPhone 62S]

3. I can reply to or compose an sms from within any application
4. And my sms app tells me when I've gone over 1 sms
5. And how many texts I've sent in a month
13. I can hide the Apple apps I don't want cluttering up my Springboard

Mind sharing what apps I'd need to do these things?

 

[TheSpaz]

Theming, maybe, depends on the theme
But claiming that just by jailbreaing a device it becomes slower??
You should first read what jailbreaking does to the OS before making any such claims Sir

I have a lot of experience with jailbreaking. I know what I'm doing. The more stuff you get running in the background, the slower your iPhone 3G will go. It probably doesn't affect the iPhone 3GS much or at all though.

 

[megadon]

Way to go, telling me I'm "talking crap" - really bolsters your argument with a ton of respect. Not.

I think you'd probably find that Apple had plans for the app store a LONG time before the device was brought to market - just because the public didn't know about it, doesn't mean Apple didn't.

My point MAY be "fanboy-like", but have YOU got an app store, with 2 billion+ recorded downloads?...

I haven't jailbroken, but my brother says Steve jobs lied when he said most apps are going to be free.. As 75% of apps are paid apps, and 90% of the 2 billion you mention are free app downloads.

That shows you what customers are demanding.

 

[mrXniick]

I have had my 3gs jailbroken for a while now and was using lockinfo and the illumine theme. The 3gs definitely handles all the additional mods well, but I took everything off today (not the JB, just the theme) and even if slight, there definitely was a speed increase without the themes and lock info.

I am going to go theme less, as having the phone operate as fast and smooth as possible is more important to me. I do however still have categories, and Irealquicksms installed. Those are the 2 main reasons I jailbroke.

 

[bruinsrme]

Maybe they do fly - if you say they do that's fine with me - I'm open minded dude. I neither agree nor disagree - a little bit like the existance of other forms of life - I have no proof either way, so it would make me a fool to say one hundred percent, that there are/are not other life forms in the universe, for one day I may be proved wrong.

You chose a rather abstract retort, but hey - if it makes you happy, that's all good by me

{side note}

Of the ~550 odd views of this thread, I find it amusing that only ~60 ish people have made a negative or defensive response...

its estimated that only 10% of iphone owners jailbreak. so there's your ~10%.

Jailbreaking to me is making the phone fit my personality and liking. There are 1000's of theme to chose from, some I like others I don't.
Sometimes I feel like a 5 icon dock, sometimes I don't.
I just hate being forced to look at the same interface, its boring to me.
Crash and burn = restore. no biggie to me.
I have a 3G that I toy with first to see how the different things work. honestly, if I had to run a 3G I would never theme it, it is too slow and not enough Ram. But its a great test platform.

I jailbroke my wifes touch. somehow she figured out how to get into cydia and theme it. I restored it to 3.1.2 but didn't have time to jb it again. I work a strange schedule but usually have 2 days off during the week where I wake up to a honey do list. The first thing on her honey do list, fix the f'in touch and keep you paws off it. Its jb'ed and she themed it to her liking.

look at the number of covers and skins available for the outside of the case.
jailbreaking to me is adding functionality and changing the inner case.
If you want to get into the piracy thing, good for you. If you want to say jailbreaking is the same thing as piracy, you are showing your ignorance. If you want to say jailbreaking is a waste of time, please continue to show your ignorance in attacking it and showing your ignorance in telling others your opinion is the only one that matters. If you say jailbreaking slows down the iphone, you must not have a 3Gs.
Off to see what cydia is offering.

 

[The General]

I even managed to get root access to iPhone OS terminal, and ERASE THE WHOLE OS!.

Fail!!

Fail indeed, on your part.

 

[slu]

I also think the themes are ugly and can slow down the phone. But I still jailbreak.

This is why:
Cycorder. I like to be able to shoot video on my 3G.
GV Mobile. Makes Google Voice easier to use.
SBSettings. I like being able to quickly turn wifi, 3G, and GPS off to save battery.
StatusBarNotifier. I like not having to unlock my phone to see if I have email.
Backgrounder. I like being able to listen to Pandora or other streaming radio whilst doing other things.

I have had no stability issues and no decrease in performance or battery life from jailbreaking. I first jailbroke for GV Mobile only, but then I found these other handy programS as well. I could live without jailbreaking, but I wouldn't find my phone as useful as I do now. I am not sure why you have a problem with that.

 

[LaunchpadBS]

Nuff said