Hence why i said, stock Android, i know you can do that on a rooted Android
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Hence why i said, stock Android, i know you can do that on a rooted Android
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You mean Tinmania? The guy that has a profile picture? Are you trying to pick losing battles?
I somewhat misquoted you
but you did say mac is less of a target:
First, you're comparing a jailbroken phone to a stock Android phone. If you're going to compare a modded iPhone, then it has to be done with a modded Android phone.
Secondly, one does not have to be rooted for them to do that, they can do it just fine with a stock device.
Right...linking reports from Forbes and Trend Micro and a bunch of other reports and reinstating what the reports said is considered trolling...if you say so..i call that revealing the truth
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Well then let me refresh your memory. In response to Tinmania (the guy you don't even know).
Go ahead, click the little blue arrow next to your name in the second quote. It will take you right to your response to Tinmania
Listen, you are entitled to your opinion. iOS does many things very well, even better than Android. But your poorly chosen examples and lack of arguing skills (such as picking credible information and actually presently all the information i.e. not reading what only proves your point) aren't winning any support. You've really dug yourself a hole with accusations like the two posts quoted here
Care to show me where you can get that " hack" without having to root? Everything on Google is saying you to have superuser access to get the hack which is called rooting..im not saying your wrong i just want to see if you can actually get that feature without rooting, because my cousin who is a big Android nerd said you cant get that without rooting, but please correct me if i am wrong
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Well then let me refresh your memory. In response to Tinmania (the guy you don't even know).
Go ahead, click the little blue arrow next to your name in the second quote. It will take you right to your response to Tinmania
Listen, you are entitled to your opinion. iOS does many things very well, even better than Android. But your poorly chosen examples and lack of arguing skills (such as picking credible information and actually presently all the information i.e. not reading what only proves your point) aren't winning any support. You've really dug yourself a hole with accusations like the two posts quoted here
Well actually that one quote was directed to Tinmania, BUT the ignornant child statement was not directed at him, nor was it quoted in his name.
I really havent dug my self in any hole, the evidence still stands, malware hasnt dissapeared on Android, the reports from numerous studies havent suddenly dissapeared in thin air.
Sorry im not extremely articulate in what I say, im not the best at expressing what i mean on the internet, although i have been trying to improve on that
to be honest i really dont even care about this stuff so im just going to stop replying to some of the ridiculous responses here and call it quits
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No I most certainly will not. If you want to find software to bypass paid services (possible illegal software), I will not be assisting you in finding it, so with all due respect...you are going to have to find it yourself.
Are those all the permissions that covers everything? I doubt so. Android has many more categorized.
Ios users have been lured into a false sense of security for years (from version 1 to 6) with the big contact info hole. Who knows what's been stolen all these years. Irony is that ios users think that ios is safer than android but in fact it is not. Who knows what other security holes are still there.
So why do some ios users still completely trust apple in screening apps when it took apple YEARS to fix the critical contact security hole. Also 3rd party security auditing is difficult since apple disallowed any form of app scanner.
On the issue of android users completely ignore permissions warning, that is the user problem not android security issue.
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Can you name some information that apps can steal without asking me on iOS? I don't think there is any.
I didn't buy an iPhone since the first gen until the iPhone 5, by which time the privacy settings were already in place. Bearing that in mind, why wouldn't I trust them? None of my data can be stolen without the app asking me if it can access it. If I have any reason to doubt the app ill deny the request.
I'm not interested in how long it took them to block security holes, I'm interested in the current state of security.
I still think iOS is safer for a number of reasons:-
1. All apps submitted are screened by Apple. They might not scan the apps, but I'm sure they check where any information is sent to and what is sent. I have seen plenty of articles about how rigorous the testing phase is.
2. It is harder to ignore a prompt than the list of permissions in Android. It is also less time consuming for busy people not to have to worry about what they install, knowing that they will be asked by the OS whether they want to grant permissions when the app tries to do something.
I am security conscious and I don't bother reading every permission for every Android app I install...who's got time to do that? It would take me hours.
It is better for the OS to protect the user by default, rather than just allowing the app carte Blanche to do whatever it wants just because you allowed permissions at install time.
You cannot assume that the user will read everything. There has to be a layer of security that protects even if information is not read. As a software developer you should assume your users are stupid and won't read anything. This is why people have to validate form input and stuff; you can't expect a number to be entered into a form just because that's what should go there, you have to cater for the times when text is entered.
3. Apps that want multiple permissions will prompt multiple times on iOS, so they're harder to ignore. Someone might allow a wallpaper app access to their photos, but if it then starts asking for access to contacts and location you would become suspicious.
4. Multitasking on iOS is limited. Apps cannot do whatever they like in the background nor can they start up when the OS does. All you have to do to kill an app in iOS is close it in the multitasking bar, as if it is using the task finishing API simply hitting home to back out of the app is not enough. Apps are allowed ten minutes in the background to complete tasks.
5. There is less data to steal. There is no centralised file system on iOS and apps only have access to their own storage space.
Android is an open OS, so I think most would expect it to be less secure. It's clear to me that it is.
App has been able to steal contact info for a long time before apple introduced the pop up dialog to prompt you. Have you any idea what other info that can be accessed without prompt? You don't because apple don't let you know. You just have to trust apple but obviously apple is oblivious to security because it never crossed their mind for years that letting app have access to contact info is a security risk.
On Android you know which app is a potential malware because malware advertise itself as one thru the security permissions.
But you forgot ios app runs natively compared to android which run in a virtual machine. In actual fact android provides a more secure model.
If a user bothers to read the security permissions, they will know how risky an app is. There must be a balance as the permissions system allows android to offer much more capabilities to developers with managed risk.
Ios security model is a total black hole to the users. It is very foolish to assume that ios is much more secure android.
You can tell by searching for apps that perform certain tasks. I can't find any apps that read messages or read notes; this is most likely because they're not allowed.
Again, what Apple did or didn't do in the past doesn't concern me.
What exactly does that mean, why does that make it more secure? I'm genuinely curious. All I know is that there are file manager apps on Android, apps that read your messages, apps that can track your location in the background, etc, all of which are NOT possible on iOS. No matter how you swing it, there are possibilities available to malicious apps on Android that aren't on iOS.
Do you ignore everything I say? A lot of people don't bother to read security permissions.. not everyone has time to read and consider a list every time they install an app.
How is iOS security a black hole? It PROMPTS your attention when an app needs permission to do something.
Look:
You so confident history will not repeat itself?
It means app has no access to os memory except provided by VM. Ios app can crash the system or gain access to lock folders via vulnerability in the core system.
Those android capabilities are the same as those prompts you get on iOS. Do you think twice about clicking allow?
You are ignoring mine. Compare with Android permissions and see what is missing from ios prompting (after excluding those that are not applicable) .
I don't know, there's no point in worrying about that.
That makes sense, thanks. It is obviously more secure in that respect, but less secure in the respect that it gives more permissions to apps in general. If file managers can access files, then they can be stolen. If apps can read messages, then they can be stolen.
You don't even need to exploit the OS to steal information on Android - the OS allows that.
so does ios when you click on the allow button (just like you click to accept permissions when installing android app). In this respect there is no difference in level of security for both.
Rooting is nothing like jailbreaking an iphone,a jailbreak is breaking the encryption in the os to allow and has a custom os on it.
The android comes stock not rooted but gives you the abilty to root it without having to crack anything and once you root it just means you have access to the root of the phone,like allowing you to look and move files on a harddrive.
once you root your device you are still on the same os and nothing has changed,the only thing that is different is that now you can install any software to the root of the phone like a custom bootloader and then from there install a custom rom.
Now if you want to compare a jailbroken iphone you need to compare it to a rooted,unlocked boot loader with a custom rom and a custom kernel that is nothing like the stock rom on the phone.
if you need to jailbreak a iphone to get free skips on Pandora and using that as a plus on ios is a joke.
On stock unrooted android you can dl apps in the playstore to dl music mp3s for free and you don't need root or anything special done to the phone.Not saying that I do it but you can if you want and if you really like to steal you can dl mtorrent app and pirate bay app right in the playstore for FREE and dl any torrent you want right on a stock android cell.
I don't know how to try to explain this in a simple way.Rooting is not a new os and all it does is allow full read write to the phones root directory,nothing in the rom changes and its like clicking a file or folder in windows and going to properties of it and clicking read only or read write etc.all root does is allow read right to the full root directory of the device,its what you do after that that gets fun
The android comes stock not rooted but gives you the abilty to root it without having to crack anything and once you root it just means you have access to the root of the phone,like allowing you to look and move files on a harddrive.
once you root your device you are still on the same os and nothing has changed,the only thing that is different is that now you can install any software to the root of the phone like a custom bootloader and then from there install a custom rom.
Now if you want to compare a jailbroken iphone you need to compare it to a rooted,unlocked boot loader with a custom rom and a custom kernel that is nothing like the stock rom on the phone.
if you need to jailbreak a iphone to get free skips on Pandora and using that as a plus on ios is a joke.
On stock unrooted android you can dl apps in the playstore to dl music mp3s for free and you don't need root or anything special done to the phone.Not saying that I do it but you can if you want and if you really like to steal you can dl mtorrent app and pirate bay app right in the playstore for FREE and dl any torrent you want right on a stock android cell.
I don't know how to try to explain this in a simple way.Rooting is not a new os and all it does is allow full read write to the phones root directory,nothing in the rom changes and its like clicking a file or folder in windows and going to properties of it and clicking read only or read write etc.all root does is allow read right to the full root directory of the device,its what you do after that that gets fun
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The reason i have pointed your hypocrisy so many times is because all that crap you mention cannot be done on stock iOS too.
You jailbreak your iPhone, and then start bashing on "stock android".
It is like someone completely modifying and tuning their toyota and then start calling out stock honda users. Childish at best.
someone said you can do everything on a stock Android that you can do on a jailbroken iPhone and thats simply not the case at all. Thats what i was trying to get across because someone said something earlier in this thread. Maybe i wasnt articulate enough
I was simply comparing things on a jailbroken iPhone compared to things you couldnt get on a stock Android thats on a jailbroken iPhone without rooting.
I know you can do more with rooted Android can do more then a jailbroken iPhone
Anyone figure out a way to sync iCloud calendars with Android? Because you can sync Google calendars with iOS.
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