Mobile OSs Jelly Bean 4.1.1 vs. iOS 6

[Tinmania]

Good one guy, obviously its a hyperbole

Good one guy, and im 23

Nice edit.

Yea "its a hyperbole." (Totally inappropriate response. )




Michael

 

[Bahroo]

Nice edit.

Yea "its a hyperbole." (Totally inappropriate response. )




Michael

??...got anything better to do then point out edits? I assume not

 

[dkersten]

I dont doubt there are damaging items on Cydia that can harm your phone, but i dont download those

So let me get this straight... you say that the Play store has potential harmful apps and that it is a really big problem. But then you turn around and admit the same thing could happen in the Cydia store but play it off as a non problem i.e. "i dont download those". So which is it? You can't argue both ways

 

[matttye]

that's after apple plugged that security hole.

I think android security model is better since it gives you the permissions requirements before you install the software instead of knowing later when you run the app which may have done some damage already

I suspect not many people actually read the permissions, but it's good for those that do.

Both have their pros and cons; iOS' is more customisable, as you can allow/deny at any time and you can only allow certain permissions, but Android's lets you see what is required ahead of time and it's all or nothing.

I'm not sure what you mean by "instead of knowing later when you run the app which may have done some damage already" though. I don't think that can happen, as everything requires confirmation. The app requires the user to accept a prompt to gain access to photos, contacts, calendar, reminders, location services, and it cannot send a text/email/imessage or make a phone call without confirmation.

With that in mind, what damage can it do? Any user who blindly taps yes to such requests would just skip by the permissions on Android too.

 

[Vegastouch]

http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/30153/99-of-mobile-malware-targets-android/

"99% of mobile malware targets Android"

enough said, i dont need to argue with a bozo. You didnt disprove anything, all you said was that alot of the malware is not on the Play Store but there is still alot of malware in the official Play Store.

And its not just the Play Store where you can get affected, you can get affected through the browsers on your phone too. Trend Micro is talking about malware on Android as a whole not just the Play Store...

How many exactly are all those jailbroken iOS devices active? Less then the total of jailbroken iOS devices. No one really talks about malware on a jailbroken device because there really isnt much malware on Cydia

I would love for you to tell me how you somehow disproved Trend Micro's claim.

Please go read a book... Then come back, im putting you on ignore

Everyone should put you on ignore. You just keep posting clueless things. Its like arvuing with a child who thinks they know everything bit knows nothing and thats what you have shown.

 

[Bahroo]

So let me get this straight... you say that the Play store has potential harmful apps and that it is a really big problem. But then you turn around and admit the same thing could happen in the Cydia store but play it off as a non problem i.e. "i dont download those". So which is it? You can't argue both ways

The chances are less on the Cydia store then it is on the Play Store, and im talking about stock iOS , not jailbroken iOS

 

[matttye]

How did Trend Micro come to this figure? They include apps which have "aggressive advertising" as Malware. What is "aggressive advertising"? Who knows...

Airpush, most likely.

Not sure I'd go as far as to call it malware, but it's definitely one of the more unscrupulous forms of advertising I've seen.

When people get notifications in their bar saying "You have a virus, tap here to clean it" and then try to get sold an antivirus, they sometimes think it is the OS asking them rather than some horrible ad.

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So let me get this straight... you say that the Play store has potential harmful apps and that it is a really big problem. But then you turn around and admit the same thing could happen in the Cydia store but play it off as a non problem i.e. "i dont download those". So which is it? You can't argue both ways

Less jailbroken iOS devices than Android devices. Malicious coders tend to target platforms where their apps will proliferate.

Security by obscurity

 

[Bahroo]

Airpush, most likely.

Not sure I'd go as far as to call it malware, but it's definitely one of the more unscrupulous forms of advertising I've seen.

When people get notifications in their bar saying "You have a virus, tap here to clean it" and then try to get sold an antivirus, they sometimes think it is the OS asking them rather than some horrible ad.

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Less jailbroken iOS devices than Android devices. Malicious coders tend to target platforms where their apps will proliferate.

Security by obscurity

MUCH less jailbroken iOS devices than Android devices, and there was a report in January saying 99% of mobile malware targets Android

Well thats obvious due to the sheer amount of Android devices out there

 

[The iGentleman]

The chances are less on the Cydia store then it is on the Play Store, and im talking about stock iOS , not jailbroken iOS

I disagree completely. There are protections in place on Android that automatically scan downloads for malware, even if they did not come from the Play Store. This feature is built into Android and it happens automatically, so the user does not even have to be aware that it is there. That said, I don't see how you can say that a store that is already constantly checked for malware, and that scans every download you make, for malware, is less secure than a place that provides software that goes outside the walled garden and has no protections in place to police it.

 

[matttye]

I disagree completely. There are protections in place on Android that automatically scan downloads for malware, even if they did not come from the Play Store. This feature is built into Android and it happens automatically, so the user does not even have to be aware that it is there. That said, I don't see how you can say that a store that is already constantly checked for malware, and that scans every download you make, for malware, is less secure than a place that provides software that goes outside the walled garden and has no protections in place to police it.

Scanning for malware detects existing malware, not new malware, as definitions don't exist for new malware.

 

[Bahroo]

I disagree completely. There are protections in place on Android that automatically scan downloads for malware, even if they did not come from the Play Store. This feature is built into Android and it happens automatically, so the user does not even have to be aware that it is there. That said, I don't see how you can say that a store that is already constantly checked for malware, and that scans every download you make, for malware, is less secure than a place that provides software that goes outside the walled garden and has no protections in place to police it.

If your talking about the Bouncer scanner software thats built in the Play Store, then the Bouncer system is terrible, it misses alot of things in detection

http://venturebeat.com/2012/06/04/android-bouncer-hack/

http://m.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/research-shows-android-4-2-malware-scanner-has-paltry-detection-rate-1118294?ns_campaign=mobile-yml&ns_mchannel=mobile-site&ns_source=techradar&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0

Only detects 15% of samples they tested..thats a REALLYY low number...

 

[Bahroo]

Everyone should put you on ignore. You just keep posting clueless things. Its like arvuing with a child who thinks they know everything bit knows nothing and thats what you have shown.

No..just no..you fail. End of story

 

[Vegastouch]

He is talking about the auto scanner that is built into JB. 4.2 I believe. I have 4.1.1 so mine doesn't have it built in.

 

[Bahroo]

I suspect not many people actually read the permissions, but it's good for those that do.

Both have their pros and cons; iOS' is more customisable, as you can allow/deny at any time and you can only allow certain permissions, but Android's lets you see what is required ahead of time and it's all or nothing.

I'm not sure what you mean by "instead of knowing later when you run the app which may have done some damage already" though. I don't think that can happen, as everything requires confirmation. The app requires the user to accept a prompt to gain access to photos, contacts, calendar, reminders, location services, and it cannot send a text/email/imessage or make a phone call without confirmation.

With that in mind, what damage can it do? Any user who blindly taps yes to such requests would just skip by the permissions on Android too.

Actually when you install a app from iOS, its not granted any permission to anything on your phone until you launch the app for the first time, then it asks you to grant permission to certain things like photos, calendar, etc.

It is good though that Googles play Store lists all the permissions of the app before hand but its also a problem because a good majority of users just skip that part, i think iOS's way is a better way of approaching permissions in apps imo.

 

[dkersten]

The chances are less on the Cydia store then it is on the Play Store, and im talking about stock iOS , not jailbroken iOS

Ok then you admit you can't get the same functionality out of stock iOS as you can out of stock Android and all your nonsense in the beginning of this thread means nothing.

 

[Vegastouch]

No..just no..you fail. End of story

Yes, just yes. First you post crap from Trend Micro saying there are 175,000 active infective apps in the Play Store and you were shown that was wrong with your own link that you didn't bother to read before posting it.

I don't know how to be more clear. You only see what you want to even after you acknowledge that you read it when i pointed it out to you.

Your arguing things you don't know about but read a snippet of something and then say it is a fact.... And you are constantly wrong.

Just admit your new to smartphones and aren't sure but you like Apple better. You would get some respect that your agent getting at all now. So far you have just come off looking like a troll

 

[The iGentleman]

Scanning for malware detects existing malware, not new malware, as definitions don't exist for new malware.

Surely you can admit that scanning for known malware beats not scanning at all. Surely you can admit that some protection is better than no protection..ESPECIALLY when you're talking about a store that goes outside the walled garden and accesses the device in a way deeper than intended (Cydia).

If your talking about the Bouncer scanner software thats built in the Play Store, then the Bouncer system is terrible, it misses alot of things in detection

http://venturebeat.com/2012/06/04/android-bouncer-hack/

http://m.techradar.com/news/phone-a...te&ns_source=techradar&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0

Only detects 15% of samples they tested..thats a REALLYY low number...

You do realize that your links are talking about two different things right? As for the second link, that may have been the case as of December, but that does not mean that is how it is today. Google CONSTANTLY updates and makes changes. Besides that, the bottom line is that there is indeed a measure of protection, compared to one that does not. My comment regarding this was in response to the guy who mentioned Cydia being safer, when the truth is that Cydia has no protections in place, and thus is a bigger risk.

 

[Bahroo]

Yes, just yes. First you post crap from Trend Micro saying there are 175,000 active infective apps in the Play Store and you were shown that was wrong with your own link that you didn't bother to read before posting it.

I don't know how to be more clear. You only see what you want to even after you acknowledge that you read it when i pointed it out to you.

Your arguing things you don't know about but read a snippet of something and then say it is a fact.... And you are constantly wrong.

Just admit your new to smartphones and aren't sure but you like Apple better. You would get some respect that your agent getting at all now.

There ARE 175,000 pieces of active malware, there i said it better. Ive had a smartphone since the old Palm days, probably longer then you had even gotten your first cellphone.

So im constantly wrong about the serious malware problem on Android? Im wrong that 99% of mobile malware targets Android? Im wrong in what Trend Micro reported? Im wrong in all the viruses found on Android?

Cmon man get a grip, you dont even know what you are saying your just mumbling. This is the last time im responding to you, its like im talking to a wall. You still refute the facts, so if you choose to remain ignorant then so be it, maybe there isnt 175,000 active apps of malware like i said, but there is still thousands of pieces of malware floating in the Play Store and that is a serious problem.

No wonder why Android isnt going anywhere in enterprise...just maybe if you use some common sense and logic it would all be clear to you... but i guess common sense isnt so common these days..sighh

Like i said this is the last time im responding to you, you fail and thats the end of the story, you still refute the facts and act like Android is just as safe as iOS when its no where near as safe as iOS.

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Ok then you admit you can't get the same functionality out of stock iOS as you can out of stock Android and all your nonsense in the beginning of this thread means nothing.

Whats this "functionality" you speak of..? Themes and addons from the Play Store? More customiZation? I have every single productivity app Android has and more.

I could care less about a little more sharing features and more customizations, and some tacky widgets that drain battery.its all in the apps and Apples App store is superior to the Play Store

 

[matttye]

Actually when you install a app from iOS, its not granted any permission to anything on your phone until you launch the app for the first time, then it asks you to grant permission to certain things like photos, calendar, etc.

It is good though that Googles play Store lists all the permissions of the app before hand but its also a problem because a good majority of users just skip that part, i think iOS's way is a better way of approaching permissions in apps imo.

That's what I said

It's harder to ignore a prompt saying "Yo! This app wants to access your photos right now. You wanna let it?" Rather than some permissions at the point of install.

 

[Bahroo]

That's what I said

It's harder to ignore a prompt saying "Yo! This app wants to access your photos right now. You wanna let it?" Rather than some permissions at the point of install.

Exactly!

 

[matttye]

Surely you can admit that scanning for known malware beats not scanning at all. Surely you can admit that some protection is better than no protection..ESPECIALLY when you're talking about a store that goes outside the walled garden and accesses the device in a way deeper than intended (Cydia).

Sure I can admit that would never deny it...

I'm just saying I think Androids popularity ultimately makes it more dangerous than the cydia store.

 

[daveathall]

I could care less about a little more sharing features and more customizations, and some tacky widgets that drain battery.its all in the apps and Apples App store is superior to the Play Store

Then why did you jailbreak your iPhone? Why do you use Cydia?

 

[The iGentleman]

Sure I can admit that would never deny it...

I'm just saying I think Androids popularity ultimately makes it more dangerous than the cydia store.

I think it's popularity makes it a bigger target than iOS, but certainly not more dangerous than Cydia. You have to remember that with Cydia, you're talking about apps that are designed to have deeper access to your device than intended. These apps are going unchecked, and thus have a greater potential for something sinister to be embedded in them. If an app does have something in it, there is a good chance it may go unnoticed for quite some time, as there aren't protections in place to guard against it. If you were talking about iOS, I'd agree with you that Android is the bigger target due to its popularity (similar to how Windows is a bigger target than Mac).

 

[matttye]

I think it's popularity makes it a bigger target than iOS, but certainly not more dangerous than Cydia. You have to remember that with Cydia, you're talking about apps that are designed to have deeper access to your device than intended. These apps are going unchecked, and thus have a greater potential for something sinister to be embedded in them. If an app does have something in it, there is a good chance it may go unnoticed for quite some time, as there aren't protections in place to guard against it. If you were talking about iOS, I'd agree with you that Android is the bigger target due to its popularity (similar to how Windows is a bigger target than Mac).

Right so if Android is a bigger target than iOS, it HAS to be a bigger target than jail broken iOS. Why would you write malware for the least popular OS? Makes little sense

 

[Vegastouch]

There ARE 175,000 pieces of active malware, there i said it better. Ive had a smartphone since the old Palm days, probably longer then you had even gotten your first cellphone.

So im constantly wrong about the serious malware problem on Android? Im wrong that 99% of mobile malware targets Android? Im wrong in what Trend Micro reported? Im wrong in all the viruses found on Android?

Cmon man get a grip, you dont even know what you are saying your just mumbling. This is the last time im responding to you, its like im talking to a wall. You still refute the facts, so if you choose to remain ignorant then so be it, maybe there isnt 175,000 active apps of malware like i said, but there is still thousands of pieces of malware floating in the Play Store and that is a serious problem.

No wonder why Android isnt going anywhere in enterprise...just maybe if you use some common sense and logic it would all be clear to you... but i guess common sense isnt so common these days..sighh

Like i said this is the last time im responding to you, you fail and thats the end of the story, you still refute the facts and act like Android is just as safe as iOS when its no where near as safe as iOS.

Well if your still want to hold on to it being a huge problem in China when that doesn't affect us then fine. But you said in the beginning of you posting here that you NEED a anti virus program to use Android because there are 175,000 active virus and malware and here, where we live and use the phones and get apps, there are not.

And i never said it was safer than iOS at any point in the conversation. I only pointed out that it exists and jailbreaking makes it susceptible as well.