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Bahroo

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I read it. But 23 is a lot less than 175,000...lol.. Im showing the big picture because you keep posting "175,000 ACTIVE apps". And you are wrong.

Pleas stop, you are a broken record and have nothing to bring of substance. You dont have an Android device so why do you care? It clearly isnt as bad as you say...er, are hoping. Goodbye.

And why the hell do you keep mentioning the US Play Store? Ok so the US Play Store has less malicious apps then Play Store outside the US. Androids Market share is much greater outside the US then it is in the US. And obviously malware is a problem outside the US Play Store then, and it affects millions of people outside the US. Stop trying to downplay the severity of the problem, it might not be that bad in the US, but it clearly is a big prolem outside the US Play Store

500 apps out of 780,000 apps in the Play Store and 23 of the most popular Top 500 apps are malicious. Usually the most "popular" apps are the "safest apps" because there popular and trusted. So if there are 23 malicious apps in the Top 500 section then I cant imagine how many malware apps there are on the rest of the Play Store if 23 apps in the Top 500 section are "high risk" and contain malware. Its widely known that the deeper you go into the Play Store, the quality of apps slowly start to detoriate
 
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fchowd0311

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Malware/spyware is so bad on Android nowadays you really need a active virus protector up at all times, one simple misclick on Android and something devastating can happen to your phone. Threats are not just from the Play Store, they come from websites and ads and links you click on aswell,
wow seriously?
wtf is this guy posting? I've owned android devices since the og droid and not ONCE have I had a virus on my phone and not once did I have ever installed anti-virus software.
 

Bahroo

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wow seriously?
wtf is this guy posting? I've owned android devices since the og droid and not ONCE have I had a virus on my phone and not once did I have ever installed anti-virus software.

Malware and virus are two totally different things. Malware can go easily undetected by a good majority of smartphone users. Viruses are a different story though the effects from a virus would be noticeable, not malware.

Malware does its work more under cover and goes easily undetected by users. I ment malware* in that statement
 

fchowd0311

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Okay im going to be generous and say there is about 50,000 root apps and other things associated with rooting, the number is still around 125,000. Thats ALOT..you guys are failing to mention that the Play Store has alot of duplicate apps which increases the number
when you say "generous" do you mean "pull numbers out of my ass hole"?

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Malware and virus are two totally different things. Malware can go easily undetected by a good majority of smartphone users. Viruses are a different story though the effects from a virus would be noticeable, not malware.

Malware does its work more under cover and goes easily undetected by users. I ment malware* in that statement

well I guess this "hidden malware" has affected my life in zero negative ways the past 3 years so i guess I will
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Bahroo

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when you say "generous" do you mean "pull numbers out of my ass hole"?

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well I guess this "hidden malware" has affected my life in zero negative ways the past 3 years so i guess I will Image

One out of many people on this planet man.
 

fchowd0311

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Malware and virus are two totally different things. Malware can go easily undetected by a good majority of smartphone users. Viruses are a different story though the effects from a virus would be noticeable, not malware.

Malware does its work more under cover and goes easily undetected by users. I ment malware* in that statement

also maybe you had problems with virus's on your 1 month trial of galaxy s3s because you fell for all those porn hd live wallpapers. Seriously its pretty obvious when a app in the play store is "shady".
 

Bahroo

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also maybe you had problems with virus's on your 1 month trial of galaxy s3s because you fell for all those porn hd live wallpapers. Seriously its pretty obvious when a app in the play store is "shady".

And that is exactly my point, there are alot of "shady" looking apps on the Play Store which is really bad apps that will just spam you ads and and give away your number to telemarket'ers and do other light obtrusive things on your phone

And the S3 was used for business so it was NSFW. I couldnt get those on my phone hahah
 
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matttye

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they also said apple environment is more at risk because apple doesn't allow them to make an anti virus for ios.

so based on your line of argument can we now conclude ios has a worst virus problem. case closed. lol.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how iOS could get a virus. Apps are sandboxed so they can't access other apps or their data, so how would it spread? It can't attach itself to other files if it isn't allowed to access them, unless it can somehow gain root permissions for itself.

Perhaps you mean malware and not virus?
 

matttye

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Jelly Bean 4.1.1 vs. iOS 6

Vegastouch/Bahroo:

I think the malware problem mainly consists of apps NOT in the Play Store. There couldn't possibly be 350,000 malicious apps IN the play store as that's about half. Pretty sure Google would change tack if they were as pandemic as that.

That's not to say the problem doesn't exist, because Android does allow installation of apps from outside sources.

It's likely that some malware is submitted to Google Play but subsequently removed. A lot of people probably don't want to go through the hassle of creating and buying a developer account.

Vegas:

Saying that you don't know anyone who has had malware and therefore there must not be a problem is a logical fallacy.

I don't know anyone that has had AIDS but I don't claim it doesn't exist.
 

Vegastouch

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Vegastouch/Bahroo:

I think the malware problem mainly consists of apps NOT in the Play Store. There couldn't possibly be 350,000 malicious apps IN the play store as that's about half. Pretty sure Google would change tack if they were as pandemic as that.

That's not to say the problem doesn't exist, because Android does allow installation of apps from outside sources.

It's likely that some malware is submitted to Google Play but subsequently removed. A lot of people probably don't want to go through the hassle of creating and buying a developer account.

Vegas:

Saying that you don't know anyone who has had malware and therefore there must not be a problem is a logical fallacy.

I don't know anyone that has had AIDS but I don't claim it doesn't exist.

Got it but with the completely ridiculous numbers he was tossing out you would think you might know somebody who got a virus or malware. I know many people with Androids. That's all I'm saying.
It just isn't as bad as he claims is all and thats all I was trying to point out. He just didn't want to see it and still doesn't.
Now the number has grown to half,... Lol. Can't argue with ignorance so I'm done.
 

matttye

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Got it but with the completely ridiculous numbers he was tossing out you would think you might know somebody who got a virus. I know many people with Androids. That's all I'm saying.
It just isn't as bad as he claims is all and thats all I was trying to point out. He just didn't want to see it and still doesn't.

I know lots of people with human bodies, but none of them have AIDS so AIDS can't be as widespread as people are saying can it?

^ this line of thinking doesn't make sense :p I'm not arguing whether or not bad software IS widespread on Android, just that you can't assume it isn't just because you don't know anybody with a virus/malware.
 

Vegastouch

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Its actually not as wide spread as it was :p look I get it, i was just refuting his stupid numbers after not bothering to read articles he linked.
 

SlCKB0Y

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Trend Micro estimates that there is about 175,000 malicious apps on the Play Store

And Android malware can hit up to 1 million apps in 2013? Are you serious?

Sorry, but that's absolute rubbish. Firstly, you'd be crazy to believe any figures put out by an antivirus company. They are known for massively skewing their statistics in order to create fear and therefore sell more products.

At last count there was 700K apps on the Playstore and they are claiming what? that 25% (1.75K) of all Android apps contain malware? Please.

How did Trend Micro come to this figure? They include apps which have "aggressive advertising" as Malware. What is "aggressive advertising"? Who knows...

Antivirus companies also seem to frequently include any app which requires root as being malware.


Antivirus companies can pretty much classify whatever they want as "malware" by just altering their definition of what malware is.

Edit: I just used Trend Micros product to scan my phone and out of 70 apps it detected 7 as threats/malware, all of these are false positives. Their stats are garbage.
 
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mib1800

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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how iOS could get a virus. Apps are sandboxed so they can't access other apps or their data, so how would it spread? It can't attach itself to other files if it isn't allowed to access them, unless it can somehow gain root permissions for itself.

Perhaps you mean malware and not virus?

i think the article is refering to malware. what I think is these doomsayers categorize all android apps with internet access as potential malware. that's how they come out with that ridiculous numbers.

in ios every app has ALL the permissions that the api permits incl Internet access. unlike android, ios app users do not know
what permissions the app is using. looking at it from this point of view 100% of all apps in apple appstore are potential malware.

data is sandboxed in ios but not app space. unlike android where app is run in a virtual machine. with many more doing ios jailbreak than rooting in Android the security situation may be more dire in ios.

before apple plug the hole every app has access to contact info for a very long time. this kind of security breaches is more severe than on Android.
 

matttye

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i think the article is refering to malware. what I think is these doomsayers categorize all android apps with internet access as potential malware. that's how they come out with that ridiculous numbers.

in ios every app has ALL the permissions that the api permits incl Internet access. unlike android, ios app users do not know
what permissions the app is using. looking at it from this point of view 100% of all apps in apple appstore are potential malware.

data is sandboxed in ios but not app space. unlike android where app is run in a virtual machine. with many more doing ios jailbreak than rooting in Android the security situation may be more dire in ios.

before apple plug the hole every app has access to contact info for a very long time. this kind of security breaches is more severe than on Android.

Actually iOS asks if you want to allow access to your contacts/photos/etc the first time an app tries to access them. You can refuse the request and it will not be able to use them.
 

mib1800

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Actually iOS asks if you want to allow access to your contacts/photos/etc the first time an app tries to access them. You can refuse the request and it will not be able to use them.

that's after apple plugged that security hole.

I think android security model is better since it gives you the permissions requirements before you install the software instead of knowing later when you run the app which may have done some damage already
 
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sentinelsx

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lol ? all that was talking about was the top 500 section in the Play Store, it didnt talk about the whole Play Store, there is much more then 23 malicious apps on Play Store, the Play Store is not regulated by anyone.

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LOL? i only use trusted tweaks from Cydia, there is plenty safe tweaks and apps on Cydia. Im not talking about the jailbreak, im talking about Apple's own App store and Google's own Play store. thats the comparison here.

Lol. Who says they are trusted? Did apple endorse that trust? No. Hence they are all malware according to your dear Apple inc.

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And that is exactly my point, there are alot of "shady" looking apps on the Play Store which is really bad apps that will just spam you ads and and give away your number to telemarket'ers and do other light obtrusive things on your phone

And the S3 was used for business so it was NSFW. I couldnt get those on my phone hahah

I am sure the developers of those apps are not going to let you guys play with other kids until you download their malware on your phone! Uncle Apple is so nice to scare away those developers forcing you to install those apps.
 

Bahroo

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i think the article is refering to malware. what I think is these doomsayers categorize all android apps with internet access as potential malware. that's how they come out with that ridiculous numbers.

in ios every app has ALL the permissions that the api permits incl Internet access. unlike android, ios app users do not know
what permissions the app is using. looking at it from this point of view 100% of all apps in apple appstore are potential malware.

data is sandboxed in ios but not app space. unlike android where app is run in a virtual machine. with many more doing ios jailbreak than rooting in Android the security situation may be more dire in ios.

before apple plug the hole every app has access to contact info for a very long time. this kind of security breaches is more severe than on Android.

This information is beyond incorrect, not every app has all permissions, that is just nonsense

There is only 7 million jailbroken devices out of over 500 million iOS devices total, thats a small number. Regardless a jailbroken iOS device is still more safer then open Java on Android


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Lol. Who says they are trusted? Did apple endorse that trust? No. Hence they are all malware according to your dear Apple inc.

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I am sure the developers of those apps are not going to let you guys play with other kids until you download their malware on your phone! Uncle Apple is so nice to scare away those developers forcing you to install those apps.


Nope, there not pieces of malware, i already tested the permissions of the Cydia tweaks in developer mode on Cydia.

I dont doubt there are damaging items on Cydia that can harm your phone, but i dont download those...and why are you mentioning jailbreak? Im talking about the stock OS, yes im aware jailbreaking can give you malware on your phone because your unlocking root access.

Im clearly talking about stock iOS

And dude Java is full of so many security holes and glitches its unreal, its Java for ****s sake.

There is a big reason why Android will never be successful in enterprise... Apple and Microsoft are succesful in enterprise, because iOS is a secure reliable OS unlike Android, too many things to worry about on Android

And Microsofts software is safe if you know what your doing, there is too many risk on Android, one bad email you open up on your Android phone and your business can be potentially devistared by potentially having vital company information stolen.

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Sorry, but that's absolute rubbish. Firstly, you'd be crazy to believe any figures put out by an antivirus company. They are known for massively skewing their statistics in order to create fear and therefore sell more products.

At last count there was 700K apps on the Playstore and they are claiming what? that 25% (1.75K) of all Android apps contain malware? Please.

How did Trend Micro come to this figure? They include apps which have "aggressive advertising" as Malware. What is "aggressive advertising"? Who knows...

Antivirus companies also seem to frequently include any app which requires root as being malware.


Antivirus companies can pretty much classify whatever they want as "malware" by just altering their definition of what malware is.

Edit: I just used Trend Micros product to scan my phone and out of 70 apps it detected 7 as threats/malware, all of these are false positives. Their stats are garbage.

Rooting is opening potential malware on your phone, the root apps may be safe but your phone is completly exposed when your Android phone is rooted. Thats the potential threat, by having your phone rooted it allows the chance of arbitration code to be executed even higher

And how many possible root apps and thing associated could there be on the Market ? Trend micro reported 350,000 pieces of malware on Android today, surely less then half of 350,000 is what you guys consider " root apps" that virus companies label malware. But regardless the # is still extremely high, even when you take out all the labeled " root apps as malware"

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that's after apple plugged that security hole.

I think android security model is better since it gives you the permissions requirements before you install the software instead of knowing later when you run the app which may have done some damage already

Yea, thats after Apple fixed that security hole in less then one week, while people on Android have to wait 8+ months for the next Android update to hit there phone...thats just terrble
 
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mib1800

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This information is beyond incorrect, not every app has all permissions, that is just nonsense


You don't know what you talking about. :p

All capabilities/permissions in API are available to developers for both OSes. In android when the app makes use of a permission/capability it is make known to users during installation. For ios the users are kept in the dark of what permissions/capabilities are being used by the app until the app is executed. But then users are only informed of location/contact/photo access via pop up dialog but not other type of permissions and certainly less than what android discloses to users.

Yea, thats after Apple fixed that security
hole in less then one week, while people on
Android have to wait 8+ months for the
next Android update to hit there
phone...thats just terrible

Your description matches ios since it took people years (I.e. from ios version 1 to 6) to realise that such a big hole existed. This is what you get when you have a a closed system. Android has defined what permissions are available upfront so such security oversight never happened.
 
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Bahroo

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You don't know what you talking about. :p

All capabilities/permissions in API are available to developers for both OSes. In android when the app makes use of a permission/capability it is make known to users during installation. For ios the users are kept in the dark of what permissions/capabilities are being used by the app until the app is executed. But then users are only informed of location/contact/photo access via pop up dialog but not other type of permissions and certainly less than what android discloses to users.

uhh no, first of all, Apple screens the apps and tests them beforehand so the apps wont do anything "funny" when you download them.

Obviously developers have access to all APIS when making a new app, doesnt mean all the API's make it to the final app in the App Store if Apple deems the "extra" API's unessacary and they remove them

Apple doesnt allow certain apps to have access to certain API's and information on your phone if the app has no business in being in certain pieces of information like ( photos, location, contacts, etc) that is the beauty of a regulated and screened App Store

http://www.darkreading.com/blog/240146248/android-mobile-malware-found-in-the-wild.html

i dont understand why a dam "popular" flashlight app on the Play Store has access to your photos, location, and other things on your phone... more then 80% of people who download apps on the Play Store dont even bother to read the permissions so your point is moot. there is alot of apps on the Play Store that doesnt tell all of the permissions your granting it :D:D:D so basically people on Android are being lied too when the app supposively tells what permissions your granting it.

i can tell you dam much that the flashlight app on the Apple App store doesnt have access to your photos and whatnot, i already pulled up the app in developer mode, it only has access to your camera flash and your diags. thats it.. compared to the flashlight app on the Play Store that can retrieve your photos, location, contacts and other things.

Google doesnt regulate the Play Store, so they dont regulate app permissions, developers can go all out corrupt mode on the Play Store and have simple apps like a different calculator app or a flashlight app have the app retrieving your location and photos and whatnot when obviously those apps dont need those types of information to work.

^^ THAT is the malware Trend Micro also reports, that is extremely scary to even think about aswell.
 
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Vegastouch

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This information is beyond incorrect, not every app has all permissions, that is just nonsense

There is only 7 million jailbroken devices out of over 500 million iOS devices total, thats a small number. Regardless a jailbroken iOS device is still more safer then open Java on Android




You are wrong again.

There have been 7 million that have jailbroken their devices in the just the week since the release of it. Prior to that there were an estimated 23 million jailbroken devices. Maybe one day you will get some facts right. LOL, your so lost trying to sound smart.

And enough with your Trend Micro. They posted false info that i proved was false and you continue to mention them as some fact of something. Pull your head out of the sand. They made you think something was fact and you still dont believe it after shown they were misleading you.
 
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mattopotamus

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You are wrong again.

There have been 7 million that have jailbroken their devices in the just the week since the release of it. Prior to that there were an estimated 23 million jailbroken devices. Maybe one day you will get some facts right. LOL, your so lost trying to sound smart.

but it's still more safer :p
 

Bahroo

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You are wrong again.

There have been 7 million that have jailbroken their devices in the just the week since the release of it. Prior to that there were an estimated 23 million jailbroken devices. Maybe one day you will get some facts right. LOL, your so lost trying to sound smart.

And enough with your Trend Micro. They posted false info that i proved was false and you continue to mention them as some fact of something. Pull your head out of the sand. They made you think something was fact and you still dont believe it after shown they were misleading you.

http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/30153/99-of-mobile-malware-targets-android/

"99% of mobile malware targets Android"

enough said, i dont need to argue with a bozo. You didnt disprove anything, all you said was that alot of the malware is not on the Play Store but there is still alot of malware in the official Play Store.

And its not just the Play Store where you can get affected, you can get affected through the browsers on your phone too. Trend Micro is talking about malware on Android as a whole not just the Play Store...

How many exactly are all those jailbroken iOS devices active? Less then the total of jailbroken iOS devices. No one really talks about malware on a jailbroken device because there really isnt much malware on Cydia

I would love for you to tell me how you somehow disproved Trend Micro's claim.

Please go read a book... Then come back, im putting you on ignore
 
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Tinmania

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This information is beyond incorrect, not every app has all permissions, that is just nonsense
Beyond incorrect? What would that be, "incorrecter?"

To make things easier for those wasting their time debating you, would you mind stating your age? I'm not sure you will be truthful but I am guessing under 15-years-old.




Michael
 

Bahroo

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Beyond incorrect? What would that be, "incorrecter?"

To make things easier for those wasting their time debating you, would you mind stating your age? I'm not sure you will be truthful but I am guessing under 15-years-old.




Michael

Good one guy, and im 23
 
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