Thats another reason why a menu would be helpful. If multitasking isn't supported then it simply won't show as an option.
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All iPads John Gruber’s iPad rant
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Wow.. I‘m kinda shocked that Gmail doesn’t support SplitView, it’s been out since iOS 9. With that being said, if an app doesn’t support SplitView/SlideOver... and I know a competitor app has it. I would just uninstall it.
I can’t recommend you go with some other app.. you probably have your reasons for staying with Gmail.
Thats another reason why a menu would be helpful. If multitasking isn't supported then it simply won't show as an option.
That's a good suggestion. Unless I am missing something, it shouldn't be too difficult to implement.
I hate to say it, but I've had a love affair with iPads, and decided I love the concept, just not the implementation.
For an on-the-go media device, my phone is just way more convenient. And if they were serious about these being media consumption devices, the base storage wouldn't be 32GB - which is insulting these days.
I also tried an iPad Pro - but iOS just has too many limitations to be usable as a work machine for me. I wanted to love it, but I just couldn't.
So, for now, my current iPad Air is basically a glorified "sitting on the couch browsing the internet/flicking through emails" device. Which makes it bloody expensive for what it is.
For an on-the-go media device, my phone is just way more convenient. And if they were serious about these being media consumption devices, the base storage wouldn't be 32GB - which is insulting these days.
I also tried an iPad Pro - but iOS just has too many limitations to be usable as a work machine for me. I wanted to love it, but I just couldn't.
So, for now, my current iPad Air is basically a glorified "sitting on the couch browsing the internet/flicking through emails" device. Which makes it bloody expensive for what it is.
I don’t even think Apple need Pair Right to “app” and Pair Left to “app.” I think just Pair Left or Pair Right would be much easier. But then again.. even if you give users this contextual menu option, would they even utilize it? I think Gruber main issue issue with mutlitatsking.. is that it should be turned off.. he rather use it as a “big iPhone.” And I’m sure majority of others feel the same.
It’s kind of odd though, because I feel the problem with multitasking, is that people don’t care to multitask with the iPad. I don’t have a problem with Drag-and-Drop, it would be nice addition if Apple implements contextual menu for users whom find fatigue in Dragging apps. But me... personally, I’ll find it much quicker with using Drag-and-Drop. And I also.. as I’ve mention before.. majority of the time I keep apps in SlideOver state. I’m able to search with an external keyboard and it opens up instantly.
Well, if Gruber's main issue is that multitasking should be turned off, then this thread is way too long. That's simply a matter of flicking one switch in Settings. You could make the default "off", but that isn't much of an issue either way. Certainly, it's not worth 6 pages of debate.
I agree. Excel and 3D modelling is a pain on screen less than 27 inch. I do not like small screen computers but I like the 12.9 inch iPad because the user interface is also build for small screens. Different tools for different jobs.
Gruber is not someone I take seriously about the iPad. He, like Siracusa, strike me as someone who is unable to work unless his computer setup is exactly the way he is used to. For Gruber, that setup is BBEDIT and a few other things. this is a man who has a closet full of Apple Extended Keyboards because that is preferred keyboard.
He has been vocal that while yes, one can do real work on an iPad, for him, it's computing with mittens on. Likewise, he isn't thrilled with where the Mac is headed and very vocal about Catalyst. Sometimes I feel if they have him a laptop with a new keyboard that ran Mojave he would never move off it.
On the opposite side, when I see the hoops that Federico jumps through it seems like a Goldberg machine that if he did it on a Mac would be a 5-second task. Ben Brooks, quoted earlier, is even more hardcore about the iPad as the future of computing and you folks are all dinosaurs on the Mac.
For me, of my Apple devices (an iPhone, 15" 2016 MBP, and and a 2015 12.9 IPP), if something happened to all of them I'd replace my iPhone and MacBook Pro before the iPad. I love my iPad, but there isn't much on it I can't do on my Mac. It's a device of privilege. A few years ago, I tried the whole iPad as a primary device concept, but some apps (Tableau) that I use regularly aren't available on the iPad. Some of that is negated by using Google Sheets and the Tableau Public web server to view my workbooks.
He has been vocal that while yes, one can do real work on an iPad, for him, it's computing with mittens on. Likewise, he isn't thrilled with where the Mac is headed and very vocal about Catalyst. Sometimes I feel if they have him a laptop with a new keyboard that ran Mojave he would never move off it.
On the opposite side, when I see the hoops that Federico jumps through it seems like a Goldberg machine that if he did it on a Mac would be a 5-second task. Ben Brooks, quoted earlier, is even more hardcore about the iPad as the future of computing and you folks are all dinosaurs on the Mac.
For me, of my Apple devices (an iPhone, 15" 2016 MBP, and and a 2015 12.9 IPP), if something happened to all of them I'd replace my iPhone and MacBook Pro before the iPad. I love my iPad, but there isn't much on it I can't do on my Mac. It's a device of privilege. A few years ago, I tried the whole iPad as a primary device concept, but some apps (Tableau) that I use regularly aren't available on the iPad. Some of that is negated by using Google Sheets and the Tableau Public web server to view my workbooks.
Someone here wrote about the iPad: "It's supposed to be this blank slate of glass that transforms into whatever you want it to be." This is exactly correct. Before multi-tasking, before consumption, before productivity, there is a pleasingly blank slate of glass which makes the Apple customer happy enough to consume, create, multi-task, and so forth.
Another poster said: "I do use my iPad Pro alongside my MacBook Pro and iMac, I love using sidecar on my 2019 MacBook Pro." I suspect this person uses his iPad this way because it simply works for him and is a satisfying arrangement. It is his way of transforming the glass, so to speak, and that is the sort of thing Apple has in mind when it makes hardware and software and binds it all together to produce an end-user experience. That experience is open-ended and the details are up to each customer. But personal satisfaction is fundamental to the experience.
That satisfaction--whether it is simply holding the device, simply owning it, simply finding the UI pleasing, is as important as the functionality of the iPad. After all, if a user isn't feeling good about the hardware or software he's using, it's impossible to be productive or useful in any way.
Productivity and functionality can only exist when the user is content with the hardware and software being used. And for whatever reason, Apple's iPad hardware and the iPadOS delivers an experience which allows a user to feel satisfied, to feel good. It isn't a perfect experience by any means.
Apple is expert at fashioning "experiences" with the products it sells. An Apple "experience" goes beyond metrics about productivity and multitasking and performance specs. Experiences are all about intangibles like pleasure, satisfaction, happiness and so on. Fashioning an experience requires insight into how humans are; it involves empathy, for example, to understand how customers and end-users will feel when they use an Apple product. If the customer doesn't feel right, functionality and productivity just won't happen.
Another poster said: "I do use my iPad Pro alongside my MacBook Pro and iMac, I love using sidecar on my 2019 MacBook Pro." I suspect this person uses his iPad this way because it simply works for him and is a satisfying arrangement. It is his way of transforming the glass, so to speak, and that is the sort of thing Apple has in mind when it makes hardware and software and binds it all together to produce an end-user experience. That experience is open-ended and the details are up to each customer. But personal satisfaction is fundamental to the experience.
That satisfaction--whether it is simply holding the device, simply owning it, simply finding the UI pleasing, is as important as the functionality of the iPad. After all, if a user isn't feeling good about the hardware or software he's using, it's impossible to be productive or useful in any way.
Productivity and functionality can only exist when the user is content with the hardware and software being used. And for whatever reason, Apple's iPad hardware and the iPadOS delivers an experience which allows a user to feel satisfied, to feel good. It isn't a perfect experience by any means.
Apple is expert at fashioning "experiences" with the products it sells. An Apple "experience" goes beyond metrics about productivity and multitasking and performance specs. Experiences are all about intangibles like pleasure, satisfaction, happiness and so on. Fashioning an experience requires insight into how humans are; it involves empathy, for example, to understand how customers and end-users will feel when they use an Apple product. If the customer doesn't feel right, functionality and productivity just won't happen.
I used to use the default Mail app. Sadly, ever since iOS 11 or 12, the iOS Mail app is showing too many emails with "This message has no content".
No such issues on the Gmail app or on the default Mail app in iOS 10.
I tried different mail apps.. from GMail, Outlook, Airmail, Spark, even Inbox by Gmail. But after trying so many different apps... getting a feel of the aesthetics and learning all the features. I decided to just stick with the Mail app.
Outlook looks tempting with the updated MultiWindow support. I have it installed, but I'm using it for my old hotmail account. Haven't explored the update fully though...
Would've preferred to stick to the default iOS Mail app. Sadly, it just doesn't fetch my emails reliably.
You have perfectly put why I prefer the iPad to a Mac. I rarely find it is restricting my use and is an ever pleasant experience. I have an iMac, iPad Pro and iPhone - and the iPad Pro is by far my most valued device. I will not replace the iMac when it stops working, and only really have an iPhone for calls and taking photos (maybe not the latter if the 3 camera iPad comes out this year)
I only have 2 complaints regarding multitasking:
- If I already have an app open and I want to multitask with another app that isn’t in the dock, I have to close the app I have open, open the app I want to multitask with, then drag in the first app I had open. Cumbersome and annoying.
- Not Apple’s fault, but not enough developers support multi-window. All of the apps I would actually use with this haven’t been updated for it.
I’m curious. What apps are you hoping to have Multi-Window support? I had raised a question on this forum about the lack of support. So far the apps I have installed that have it... PDF Expert, File Explorer, Outlook, OneDrive, Apollo, and Carrot.
I’m waiting on... Tapatalk, Editorial, Coda, Office Suites, Dropbox and Google Drive.
You're going to be waiting a while. The developer mentioned on Twitter he is dealing with some RL issues that are impacting development of his apps.
I’ve been using an iPad/iPad Pro as my main device for so many years now that I prefer my workflow on it way more than on my MacBook Pro.
The times I grab MacBook I keep trying to tap the screen.
The times I grab MacBook I keep trying to tap the screen.
I have solved my multitasking issues by disabling it completely
Granted that is not a great approach, but that is what I had to do to stop inadvertent activation of split view.
iPads continue to be a great way to casually browse the web and apps for me...
Beyond that, it’s way more efficient and enjoyable for me to use a Mac or PC
Granted that is not a great approach, but that is what I had to do to stop inadvertent activation of split view.
iPads continue to be a great way to casually browse the web and apps for me...
Beyond that, it’s way more efficient and enjoyable for me to use a Mac or PC
Heck, just the other day... I thought GMail added support for SplitView. And turns out... Google hasn’t provided that feature yet. Even though I don’t use YT Music much... I do have it installed, primarily for YouTube Premium. And, Google haven’t added SplitView for that either.
Not sure what’s the reasoning behind the delay, but it’s been since iOS 9 since SplitView was introduced.
I just made sure both are updated and they’re not working for me. Just to be clear, you’re trying to use 2 windows of Excel side-by-side at the same time?