Jony Ive was right

[Zest28]

I have noticed the following:
- 13” M2 MBP, will be delivered next day
- 13” M2 MBA will be delivered in 2 weeks.

And both devices cost the same when configured with the same specs.

So the Apple customer prefers a thermal throttling, slightly thinner machine with worse battery life over a machine that weighs only 160 grams more while having none of those issues and superior battery life.

That is exactly what the MBP has been with Jony his obession with thinnes rather than designing a proper chassis that could handle the Intel chips.

Bring back Jony!!!

 

[TehFalcon]

since when does the M1 or M2 MBA Thermal Throttle?

 

[Zest28]

since when does the M1 or M2 MBA Thermal Throttle?

Play WoW and you will see it thermal throttle. It is pretty easy to thermal throttle these machines.

 

[TehFalcon]

Play WoW and you will see it thermal throttle. It is pretty easy to thermal throttle these machines.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m2-macbook-air-throttling-is-being-vastly-over-exaggerated.2352165/page-12

 

[DavidChoux]

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m2-macbook-air-throttling-is-being-vastly-over-exaggerated.2352165/page-12

OP's not wrong, the Air does thermal throttle. It's just that it doesn't matter that much unless you're doing very heavy sustained workflows that would be more suited to a fanned system.

 

[Zest28]

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m2-macbook-air-throttling-is-being-vastly-over-exaggerated.2352165/page-12

I don't see anything in the link how the MacBook Air doesn't thermal throttle playing games when it 100% does?

 

[imp3rator]

Most of people prefer Air because never reach a throttling. So Ive was right but for most of people. Profit for average user who bought a Pro, but not for "Pro" user. And Pro user never buy a fanless Air.

Pro users want a machine for sustainable workload. This range of macbooks are much more balanced than for e.g. thinner power hungry intel i9 macbook pro 16 with eGPU !

 

[ponzicoinbro]

Play WoW and you will see it thermal throttle. It is pretty easy to thermal throttle these machines.

Adjust the game settings.

All sub notebooks throttle if you don’t use the right game settings for their design.

 

[Zest28]

Adjust the game settings.

All sub notebooks throttle if you don’t use the right game settings for their design.

But with the 13" M2 MBP can run games without having to worry about it. And it basically weighs the same as the MBA. 160 grams is nothing.

 

[ponzicoinbro]

But with the 13" M2 MBP can run games without having to worry about it. And it basically weighs the same as the MBA. 160 grams is nothing.

You still have to adjust the game settings on the MBP for optimal performance and heat.

You even have to adjust the game settings on the a gaming PC for optimal performance and heat otherwise that can throttle too.

 

[LuisN]

But with the 13" M2 MBP can run games without having to worry about it. And it basically weighs the same as the MBA. 160 grams is nothing.

Buy a MacBookPro then! Problem solved!

 

[senttoschool]

I have noticed the following:
- 13” M2 MBP, will be delivered next day
- 13” M2 MBA will be delivered in 2 weeks.

And both devices cost the same when configured with the same specs.

So the Apple customer prefers a thermal throttling, slightly thinner machine with worse battery life over a machine that weighs only 160 grams more while having none of those issues and superior battery life.

That is exactly what the MBP has been with Jony his obession with thinnes rather than designing a proper chassis that could handle the Intel chips.

Bring back Jony!!!

Or maybe because the 13" M2 MBP is actually a 6 year old design?

 

[Zest28]

You still have to adjust the game settings on the MBP for optimal performance and heat.

You even have to adjust the game settings on the a gaming PC for optimal performance and heat otherwise that can throttle too.

Not true. Tests have shown that the M2 13" MBP can run the M2 chip without thermal throttling. The 16" can run the M1 Max chip also without thermal throttling to the max.

 

[Zest28]

Or maybe because the 13" M2 MBP is actually a 6 year old design?

If Apple customers care more about design rather than how a machine performs (including battery life), which you clearly see by the sales of the 13" M2 MBP vs the 13" M2 MBA, then Jony Ive is your man.

Apple made a mistake getting rid of Jony Ive clearly.

 

[unrigestered]

Pro users want a machine for sustainable workload. This range of macbooks are much more balanced than for e.g. thinner power hungry intel i9 macbook pro 16 with eGPU !

Pro users use whateveer suits their needs. the MBA is actually quite high on the list of machines regarding available power.
some professionals are working on old netbooks or old tablets as those are fulfilling their needs flawlessly, some use current standard notebooks, some high end notebooks, and for some, even the most high end notebooks won't fulfill their professional needs to the fullest, so they are working on some stuffed to the gills 64 core workstation or so.
In some scenarios, even that is way too slow, so they are relying on clusters of the latter, and for some specific professional tasks, even the power of all supercomputers on earth combined could feel extremely sluggish.

so it all depends on everyone's use case, what could be considered good, adequate, or even great for professional use

 

[theorist9]

It does seem plausible people prefer the new MBA. But that doesn't mean they're embracing Ive's design ethos. The 13" MBP, with its Touchbar, lack of Magsafe, and tapered case edges, was designed under Ive, while the new MBA rejects all of those design elements. So the only thing you're left with is people preferring a newer design with a smaller form factor, at the expense of some throttling under sustained all-core load. Since most MBA purchasers don't put their computers through the latter, that makes sense.

But that doesn't mean that Mac purchasers generally are willing to give up performance for form factor. Most buyers of the prosumer AS machines (the 14" and 16" MBP's, and the Mac Studio), are happy with their anti-Ive emphasis on function over form.

In summary, I'd say Ive, even with his missteps (like the overy-thin Butterfly Keyboard, with its minimal key travel) was brilliant at designing the entry-level consumer machines, but his form-over-function emphasis worked poorly when applied to Apple's prosumer devices—and that most buyers of that level of machine are breathing a sigh of relief at his departure.

 

[senttoschool]

If Apple customers care more about design rather than how a machine performs (including battery life), which you clearly see by the sales of the 13" M2 MBP vs the 13" M2 MBA, then Jony Ive is your man.

Apple made a mistake getting rid of Jony Ive clearly.

You're mistaken.

First, pro users have moved on to the 14" MBP or the 16" MBP.

Second, the Macbook Air has always outsold the MBP. This is because it's an entry level design for the mass market. And for the M2 Air, for the first time, it has way more power than the average person needs. Thus, someone who would have needed to buy the 13" MBP can now comfortably fit their workload on an M2 MBA.

The 13" MBP is still here because:

* Apple wanted the first reviews for the M2 to be with a fan so that it's full powered
* Supply constraints and supply chain issues probably forced Apple to make the 13" MBP for one more year. At this point, its 6-year old supply chain is a well oiled machine.
* Apple has nothing to slot between the Air and the 14" Pro price points until the 15" MBA comes out. So this 13" MBP fills the gap for now.

 

[cupcakes2000]

If Apple customers care more about design rather than how a machine performs (including battery life), which you clearly see by the sales of the 13" M2 MBP vs the 13" M2 MBA, then Jony Ive is your man.

Apple made a mistake getting rid of Jony Ive clearly.

What an amazing leap you’re making from next to no evidence just to try to prove some kind of point that is frankly non existent.

Wouldn’t it be much more reasonable to assume people bought the Air over another machine due to how small and light it is? I would, and as a Professional photographer power is very important. But I have my desktop, so the air would be a fine compliment over the bulkier, heavier with only minor performance improved mbp.

The m2 mbp is an oddity in the mb line up. The airs are close to as performant, whilst being considerably lighter and more portable. People who want power in a laptop wouldn’t find enough power in the machine. It seems quite redundant.

 

[MajorFubar]

You'd need to pay me in order for me to choose the M2 13" Pro over the M2 Air, with its smaller screen, worse speakers, obsolete design, no MagSafe and the horrible touchbar. So yeah feel free to add me to the list of people who would happily choose to wait two weeks.

 

[James_C]

I have noticed the following:
- 13” M2 MBP, will be delivered next day
- 13” M2 MBA will be delivered in 2 weeks.

And both devices cost the same when configured with the same specs.

So the Apple customer prefers a thermal throttling, slightly thinner machine with worse battery life over a machine that weighs only 160 grams more while having none of those issues and superior battery life.

That is exactly what the MBP has been with Jony his obession with thinnes rather than designing a proper chassis that could handle the Intel chips.

Bring back Jony!!!

People that want to game, should go for the MBP rather than the air. However most gamers would not choose a Mac in the first place.

Yes the Air will throttle under load, but it is so fast compared to Intel laptops at a similar price point and size, it's still quicker. In fact the performance of the M2 throttled is generally no worse than the M1 not throttled.

The people that choose the Air are unlikely to be doing a lot of video editing or gaming, and hence the throttling is almost a non issue.

The M2 MBP is using a rather dated design, does not have MagSafe, a slightly smaller screen and huge bezels, it also has the Touch Bar which a lot of users don't like, and will probably be going the way of the dodo on the next redesign.

 

[CraigJDuffy]

I have noticed the following:
- 13” M2 MBP, will be delivered next day
- 13” M2 MBA will be delivered in 2 weeks.

And both devices cost the same when configured with the same specs.

So the Apple customer prefers a thermal throttling, slightly thinner machine with worse battery life over a machine that weighs only 160 grams more while having none of those issues and superior battery life.

That is exactly what the MBP has been with Jony his obession with thinnes rather than designing a proper chassis that could handle the Intel chips.

Bring back Jony!!!

The 13” MBP sports a 6 year old design with the dreadful Touch Bar. The 13” MBA is cheaper, looks newer, has a better microphone, and better webcam. Why would you get the 13” MBP for a 5% performance increase under synthetic loads?

 

[MajorFubar]

The 13” MBP sports a 6 year old design with the dreadful Touch Bar. The 13” MBA is cheaper, looks newer, has a better microphone, and better webcam. Why would you get the 13” MBP for a 5% performance increase under synthetic loads?

Plus bigger screen and better speakers. Total conjecture on my part but I'm pretty sure the 13" MBP mostly just sells to enterprise these days whose IT departments procure the cheapest macbooks with Pro in the name, no matter what they are.

 

[unrigestered]

plus the absence of any fans is actually a feature for even greater portability 👍
(and for people who prefer, maybe even need "dead silence at all costs" for their "professional work" )

(though the 13" Pro doesn't seem to have that many fans either, at least judging by most reactions on these forums )

 

[ponzicoinbro]

Not true. Tests have shown that the M2 13" MBP can run the M2 chip without thermal throttling. The 16" can run the M1 Max chip also without thermal throttling to the max.

You can’t say something is not true when anyone with eyes and a brain can confirm it.

You can throttle an RTX 3090 if you run a game at 8K with max settings and no DSLR.

You can throttle any device if the workload is intense enough.

And that is a fact.

You have to choose the right settings and the right workload for every type of computer you use if you want to minimize throttling.

If you are playing an intense game on an Air or a Pro, you adjust the settings to minimize throttling and maintain consistent performance.

If you are rending 4K or 8K video/CGI on an Air, you chose the wrong device.

If you are rending 4K or 8K video/CGI on an 16“ MBP, you might experience throttling.

If you are rending 4K or 8K video/CGI on a Mac Studio Ultra, you still might experience throttling but less than the laptops.

 

[boak]

Erm how are you sure it’s a demand-side effect and not supply-side?