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BigMcGuire

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well as I mentioned I'm not too up to date on the latest offerings from Apple.

Just another reason for people to not take Apple seriously.
Hate to break the news to you... that's pretty much the case almost everywhere and has been for some time. Industry has followed suit for the most part. That is unless you're into big heavy Dell Precision laptops that make the 16' MBP look like a flyweight.
 

maflynn

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Just another reason for people to not take Apple seriously.
I'm not sure how you are drawing that conclusion. Apple is taken very seriously, so much so the industry typically copies them, and consumers are flocking to their products at a time when many other manufacturers are seeing a decrease. If that's not being taken seriously then I don't know what is.

that's pretty much the case almost everywhere and has been for some tim
I wouldn't go that far, yes, many slim laptops have non-expandible ram (most still use industry standard M.2 SSDs), but there's a lot of companies that have expandible laptops. Razer, thin and light 15" laptop, and I can upgrade the ram. Lenovo, Asus, Dell. Speaking of Dell, they're XPS line is anything but a nice looking. Even their precision Vpro workstations don't look chonky. I will say their precision line is for a more heavy duty use case, so I can understand that they would be beefier.
 

maerz001

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Is it true that the soldered RAM allows lower voltage and therefore less battery impact?
The other story i read is that soldered RAM has higher bandwidth.
But how much is the gain?
 
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spiderman0616

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I have the 16" model from my job and the 14" model personally. I have now used both all around the house and on the road, and the 14" remains my go-to computer. The 16" serves as a really great portable work desktop.

Both laptops are easy to carry around in my laptop bag, but when it comes to which one I prefer to carry around in my hand, the 14" Pro is always going to win. The big 16" screen is SO NICE though, and the extra battery helps a lot with getting through the Webex-heavy days off power.
 

astorre

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That seems kind of harsh - a person trying to make the best decision he can with his/her money and you casting aspersions? While its a bummer that you have to carry 10 lbs of computer equipment, that in no way means that someone who's trying to make the best decision for his situation is spoiled ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
if 1.3lbs difference in weight is impossible to carry for you then yeah you're spoiled
 

LA_Surfer

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if 1.3lbs difference in weight is impossible to carry for you then yeah you're spoiled
I beg to differ. When you add on a protective case, and then you put that in your backpack with your ipad that has a heavy protective case, plus your portable backup charger battery it gets heavy very fast. Not exactly something you want to take into a restaurant for some browsing during lunch.
 
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OllieOxenFree

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I also beg to differ. I have, on many occasions pulled my 16” MacBook Pro Max out of my bag, along with a couple of SSDs and a pair of noise cancelling headphones and cut a scene while munching on some mighty fine food. There’s no greater pleasure than combining work and pleasure with this amazing piece of tech. If you’re just doing some browsing, as I mentioned earlier, you’d probably be better off with an Air, the 14” MacBook Pro, an iPad, iPhone or an ultralight PC of some sort. If size is an issue, do as my wife does and make the UI fonts REAL BIG.
 

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I also beg to differ. I have, on many occasions pulled my 16” MacBook Pro Max out of my bag, along with a couple of SSDs and a pair of noise cancelling headphones and cut a scene while munching on some mighty fine food. There’s no greater pleasure than combining work and pleasure with this amazing piece of tech. If you’re just doing some browsing, as I mentioned earlier, you’d probably be better off with an Air, the 14” MacBook Pro, an iPad, iPhone or an ultralight PC of some sort. If size is an issue, do as my wife does and make the UI fonts REAL BIG.
The size isn't the issue, it's the weight.
 

OllieOxenFree

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The size isn't the issue, it's the weight.
No it's not. The issue is that you are choosing the wrong toy that you've worked so hard for. This machine is probably the best laptop I have ever used as it is able to perform high level tasks without overheating and is able to do this while running strictly on battery power, and weighs a fraction of what most computers that are able to do this weigh. You are like little Lord Fontleroy complaining that the back seat of his Ferrari is too small, or that the $100,000 sound system he bought plays too much detail and the speakers and amplifiers are too big to fit on his fireplace mantle. The issue is not that the MacBook Pro is too heavy, the issue is that YOU think it's too heavy and don't want to find another solution. Rather than complaining to the world that you have trouble carrying around a 4.7lb very powerful high-tech device, you might be better off gathering signatures and sending a letter to Apple asking them to please release that 15" MacBook Air as soon as possible.
 

LA_Surfer

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No it's not. The issue is that you are choosing the wrong toy that you've worked so hard for. This machine is probably the best laptop I have ever used as it is able to perform high level tasks without overheating and is able to do this while running strictly on battery power, and weighs a fraction of what most computers that are able to do this weigh. You are like little Lord Fontleroy complaining that the back seat of his Ferrari is too small, or that the $100,000 sound system he bought plays too much detail and the speakers and amplifiers are too big to fit on his fireplace mantle. The issue is not that the MacBook Pro is too heavy, the issue is that YOU think it's too heavy and don't want to find another solution. Rather than complaining to the world that you have trouble carrying around a 4.7lb very powerful high-tech device, you might be better off gathering signatures and sending a letter to Apple asking them to please release that 15" MacBook Air as soon as possible.
I dont need high tech, im just web browsing, with 80 to 100 tabs open. There isn't much need for a laptop to be a high end editing machine, most use them while sitting on the couch.

All that apple needs to do is make a 15in air or pro. 14 inches is too damn small. Apple is always so disappointing and they need to really listen to their consumers.

And get rid of 13inch laptops, what a waste of money.
 

astorre

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I beg to differ. When you add on a protective case, and then you put that in your backpack with your ipad that has a heavy protective case, plus your portable backup charger battery it gets heavy very fast. Not exactly something you want to take into a restaurant for some browsing during lunch.

you're comparing apples to oranges

1) why do you need all that tech and battery charger for browsing in restaurant

2) lets say you have all that tech with you, so with 14'' full backpack is 20lbs, but the moment you have 16" and backpack is 21.3lbs that weight become unbearable to the point you cannot take it anymore, am I right?
 

maerz001

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Well i think we bag to differ. Its the same arguments we had years ago and Apple still doesn’t offer a solution.

If u just want a big screen laptop u have to go from a $1000 Air to a $2500 Pro.

Yes you get double RAM and storage and all the bells and whistles but this comes at a hefty price and weight increase. Don’t you think there is room and a market in between?

Apple now sells an iphone 14 plus. First time that big screen doesn’t have to be “pro”.
So maybe there will be a bigger Air. But till then we want to complain;)
 
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OllieOxenFree

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I dont need high tech, im just web browsing, with 80 to 100 tabs open. There isn't much need for a laptop to be a high end editing machine, most use them while sitting on the couch.

All that apple needs to do is make a 15in air or pro. 14 inches is too damn small. Apple is always so disappointing and they need to really listen to their consumers.

And get rid of 13inch laptops, what a waste of money.
Au contraire, the new MacBook pros are what many of us wanted, and Apple listened. Many of us make our livings with these computers, even the 13” ones, while some of us open big tabs at lunch.
 

Ifti

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My 16 stays on my desk at home. I wouldn't want to travel about with it.
Instead I have a M2 MacBook Air that I use around the house, or when I need to go anywhere with a computer.
 
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loby

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Heavy, but what it is used for (video) is worth it!

I just bought a used MacBook 2015 (small - gold) cheap and will use that for traveling if or when I don't need to do video stuff while traveling. Love the MacBook 2015! Light, small, can do general stuff with it.
 

maflynn

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My 16 stays on my desk at home. I wouldn't want to travel about with it.
Its funny you say that, as I look for a replacement for my 15" Razer I'm considering the 16" MBP and using that as a desktop replacement. Then I'm like why??? I mean if its going to be sitting on a desk hooked up to a monitor, then the 14" MBP that I already own is just as good. I'm not gaining anything but rather spending money that I don't need too.

I have the 14" MBP simply for portability and it excels at that.
 
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Ifti

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Its funny you say that, as I look for a replacement for my 15" Razer I'm considering the 16" MBP and using that as a desktop replacement. Then I'm like why??? I mean if its going to be sitting on a desk hooked up to a monitor, then the 14" MBP that I already own is just as good. I'm not gaining anything but rather spending money that I don't need too.

I have the 14" MBP simply for portability and it excels at that.

I'll be honest - I don't really need by 16". I had it first and picked up the M2 MBA later, as I wanted something more portable to use around the house and out and about etc.

I use my M2 MBA most of the time for all my day-to-day usage and truth be told I could just easily dock it when I'm at my desk, but I just like to have a system sitting on my desk with all my external editing drives etc connected and ready to go, with mouse and keyboard attached and ready. I only use the 16" for editing with FCPX, but I reckon the M2 has enough grunt for the projects I create, which are single camera and not particularly taxing TBH.

The 16 just makes my workflow a bit easier, with the extra ports, SD Card slot, etc - so I just have it more for convenience then need! Ideally I should have an iMAC there instead, but I just like working from laptops so am sticking with my current setup for the next few years!
 

OllieOxenFree

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I contemplated the 14" but I prefer editing, viewing films and web sites and working on texts on a larger screen. I freelance at many different places and take my own laptop to most of my gigs and truly find the 16" the best alternative. Myself and a number of colleagues have opted for this over the Apple Studio + laptop option because this system does it all, work and play, both while tethered to multiple monitors in the studio or sitting in a cafe, and it works out slightly cheaper too. I personally do not find it heavy, I have some colleagues working on Alienware X17's, that's heavy... we all have different needs and the capacity to support different weights.
 

LA_Surfer

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My 16 stays on my desk at home. I wouldn't want to travel about with it.
Instead I have a M2 MacBook Air that I use around the house, or when I need to go anywhere with a computer.
weird, I prefer a desktop at home but that's just me.

My LG 27" monitor is nice with my Mac pro
 

VampyricGentleman

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This is my 16 inch with it’s external monitors. My work involves real time monitoring so the extra real estate is useful
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Queen6

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I beg to differ. When you add on a protective case, and then you put that in your backpack with your ipad that has a heavy protective case, plus your portable backup charger battery it gets heavy very fast. Not exactly something you want to take into a restaurant for some browsing during lunch.
Why would you with an iPad in your bag? Most would leave the Mac in the office or somewhere safe. Honestly the weight issue is a real stretch. Apple have answered the vast majority who want a more diverse port solution, ensured adequate thermal headroom for future faster & hotter SOC's under heavy workflows.

Those that use their MBP's hard don't want an emaciated chassis that's overly reliant on dongles and throttles with just basic use just to save a little weight. This is why Apple changed direction as the complaint was valid and well considered by many.

The 16" can be more problematic versus the 14" if travelling a lot. Few hotel safes can easily accommodate 15"/16" notebooks physical size. As for the 14" being lame, a nonsense remark as the 14" MBP is a very solid notebook with class leading performance.

FWIW I don't own either as I want maximal battery life in a small form factor therefore, I have an M1 13" MBP.

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