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I do think there are more complains about the MBP then the MB though.

I would speculate that its due to MacBook Pro users being a more demanding bunch (that's why they went through the trouble to spend more money).

4) Heat. The MBP is fantastic and I've got no concerns about it running too hot but that metal shell does, by design, make it hotter to the touch than a MB. This goes double for situations where you're ot getting proper cooling to the machine (on a lap, in bed etc) where a lot of 'casual' users will actualy be using it.

I just want to point out something about this one: I've done what some people might consider a ludicrous amount of tech support; and my observations are that the "casual" users are actually the ones most likely to put it on their desk, and leave it there at the end of the day, and it's the more advanced users who are toting it around with them everywhere and taking it to bed with them (the geek's teddybear..?).
 
I love my macbook, so you can stick your opinions and false facts up your ass. I bet you have never even tried a macbook.

Have you ever tried a macbook pro? As someone who has tried both, I can say that the pro is really worth the extra couple hundred, esspecially if you're only going to be using one computer. And leave the personal attacks out of thsi forum please. The OP invited you to challenge his reasoning, not insult him.
 
I have nothing to back this up...

...but at nearly double the cost, the Pro may be a bit out of means for many people.

I agree that it might be out of reach for some people, but it's not really double the price. The middle macbook is $1300, and the low end mbp is $2000. Figure in another $100 for the RAM difference, and it's maybe 40% more, not 100%.
If you meant the low end mb, then you need to remember that a DVD burner is quite useful at times, and only some people can live without it.
 
I agree that it might be out of reach for some people, but it's not really double the price. The middle macbook is $1300, and the low end mbp is $2000. Figure in another $100 for the RAM difference, and it's maybe 40% more, not 100%.
If you meant the low end mb, then you need to remember that a DVD burner is quite useful at times, and only some people can live without it.

I have had a macbook pro and macbook. I can tell you that the pro is an awesome machine. I am a college student who takes his laptop everywhere and I just prefer the macbook. I ended up giving my dad my pro and he loves it for his music and I love my macbook for the small tasks I do. I listen to itunes, check stocks, and (word, excel, and powerpoints). This macbook has been great to me. I personally believe the best bang for your buck is the macbook rather then the macbook pro for my use. I seriously don't see any improvement in what I do on a daily base with my macbook or when I was using the pro. However, my dad sees a huge difference with his music programs he uses.

So, 1,280 (including 2 GB RAM) macbook vs 1,800 macbook pro. I save 500+ dollars on a machine that performs the exact same for the tasks I do.

Now that I said all that, my next computer with be a macbook pro + 30'' ACD for my apartment if I land a good job. =)
 
I have had a macbook pro and macbook. I can tell you that the pro is an awesome machine. I am a college student who takes his laptop everywhere and I just prefer the macbook. I ended up giving my dad my pro and he loves it for his music and I love my macbook for the small tasks I do. I listen to itunes, check stocks, and (word, excel, and powerpoints). This macbook has been great to me. I personally believe the best bang for your buck is the macbook rather then the macbook pro for my use. I seriously don't see any improvement in what I do on a daily base with my macbook or when I was using the pro. However, my dad sees a huge difference with his music programs he uses.

So, 1,280 (including 2 GB RAM) macbook vs 1,800 macbook pro. I save 500+ dollars on a machine that performs the exact same for the tasks I do.

Now that I said all that, my next computer with be a macbook pro + 30'' ACD for my apartment if I land a good job. =)

Yes, the value comparison will always be different for different people. My point was that the mb is not double the price. It is about 40% more, which may or may not suit you depending on your wallet and your needs. I just don't want people thinking that the price difference is a full thousand, when it is infact about $600. The macbook is actually quite good for students, and I would have gone with that if it hadn't been for a few hang-ups (like the keyboard, the glossy screen, the older processor, lower RAM limit, and higher weight for a small notebook).
 
My buddy just bought a MacBook Pro. That sucker (17 inches) is HUGE. If anything, I can always get another screen and hook it up to my MacBook.
 
If people are thinking to themselves should i get a MacBook or MacBook Pro. That is if size doesn't matter. I mean it should be a no brainer to get a MacBook Pro it is a better machine case closed. However, most people can't spend that extra 500-600 dollars on a small boost if they are just normal computer users. The power users most definitely need the MBP.

When I heard the MacBook couldn't play the top of the line games that was a selling point for me. I get addicted to computer games easily so this was a perfect computer for me to focus more on the ladies and schoolwork at SDSU rather then the video games =).
 
Yes, the value comparison will always be different for different people... I just don't want people thinking that the price difference is a full thousand, when it is infact about $600.
Depends where you live, in the UK the difference between the mid-range MB and base MBP is about $950 (off the top of my head) and $1,200 for the entry MB - of course that's not double the price, but it more a fair bit more than the "couple of hundred" that the OP claimed.

Until the recent MBP, you didn't get an awful lot more for your money in term of CPU power than the MB... thankfully, that has changed nicely.
 
I agree with your post, except for these two points. I don't really see how the backlit keyboard is too confusing. As with any new computer, PC or Mac, there are going to be a few things to learn about hardware. HP's sound controls will be different from Sony's, and so forth. That doesn't make the feature itself worse for newcomers. If anything, the hardware features are pretty easy to pick up on a mbp.

Second point, about size and weight. While the mbp is a little larger than the mb, the weight is nearly the same. Any adult human should not be able to discern the difference between 5.1 and 5.4lbs. If they can, then they need to hit the gym. As for size, most laptop bags are fairly consistant, so I don't know if the mb's smaller size is really a useful asset. It might make it easy to slip in and out of bags (though I don't really see how if one's bag has a large enough zipper), but carrying it around will be the same because of the weight.

Only reason I said "confusing" (which I admit might be the wrong word) is when a new user comes over to OSX they're going to see a lot about Expose and "press F9 to see all open windows", then having to work out why they get this weird icon on screen instead.

The weight, gotta say I did notice the difference, maybe because the powerbrick is heavier on the MBP as well, not sure. But when you're carrying a laptop, adaptor, books, paperwork and the usual assorted crap that seems to gather in every laptop bag for several hours then a saved pound or two can become a useful benefit. But fair point, to many it won't matter. Perhaps I should have phrased this more as the extra size of the MBP being a pain in certain circumstances where desk space is limited (Starbucks, lecture halls, trains plains and automobiles etc ;) ).
 
BTW, I see where the OP is coming from when he says that the MacBooks "feel like toys", but I think for many people they can be very satisfying.
 
You sound very intelligent... (Bad Language+Denial= Flaming Idiot); keyword being "idiot".

BTW, I see where the OP is coming from when he says that the MacBooks "feel like toys", but I think for many people they can be very satisfying.

How is he in denial? I mean the OP did say this line.
"A couple of hundred dollars is a lot, yes, but in the long run, wouldn't you rather own the nicer computer? (easy to flame this opinion)"

A MBP is not " a couple of hundred dollars more". It is a lot more then that. Wouldn't you rather own a nicer computer....

That is like someone who buys a Nissan Altima and go to him and say why not just buy a BMW, wouldn't you rather own a nicer car.
 
Hahahaha... Seriously

If you are not a student, sign up at your nearest community college for a semester, take 1 unit, prolly gonna cost you 30 bucks tops... and then get that 200 dollar discount on the macbook pro :D

heheh kind of a scam, but its legit.

nah im joking really...

i cant wait to get my macbook pro, its gonna happen, next friday!!! saved up enough money, its going to be my FIRST mac i purchased since the Apple II GS.
 
I love my MBP. I still admire the MB's for their size and compactness, but at the end of the day my MBP gives me so much more than I could get out of a MB.

Few clitches, like yellow tint, but hopefully there will be a solution soon.
 
I bought a MacBook (black) Monday but promptly returned it Thursday morning and ordered a MacBook Pro instead.

There were a few reasons why I did this. Number one, I was foolish to think I'd be happy with a MacBook when I really wanted a MacBook Pro but they were all out of stock. I thought, "Oh well, I don't want to wait a week or two for a MBP, they have tons of MacBooks right here!"

The things I loved most about the MacBook were its compact size, the black matte finish, it's general speediness even with just 1GB of RAM and the battery life. I mean, 5+ hours? Talk about awesome.

I didn't care for its plastic feel, the fact that the touchpad was already being smoothed down and shiny after the first day of usage, the glossy screen, the low quality of the screen color wise compared to MacBook Pros I had seen, and the new keyboard. The keyboard was a big one. I HATE THE MACBOOK KEYBOARD. I am an extremely fast typist, but that keyboard slowed me down to no end. Contrast that to the keyboard on the MacBook Pro, it's no contest really. I fly on that thing.

And I know I am going to love the MacBook Pro's bigger matte screen, backlit keyboard, great graphics card and who knows what else.
 
I work at my Uni's bookstore as a sales consultant and as a tech. I owned my ibook for about two years and I had a mbp core duo for over a month. There is no comparison, if you want an all-in-one machine, the mbp is the solution. My ibook was a good addition to pc tower that I also have. I am a film major and do some post production work, and all I can say is that the mbp was more than enough.

Seriously, my friends do their design work on a macbook, but what they lack is the dedicated video card. I personally do not like glossy and I want a bigger display. I always ask my customer this, I hate trying to convince them. I don't want to sell them something that they do not need.

1.) What is your primary reason for buying a new machine?

2.) What kind of work are you going to do be doing on this machine?

3.) Do you need the portability for notes and basic web surfing?

4.) What applications will you be using with the portable?

5.) Do you need the extra power of a dedicated video card?

6.) Can you afford the machine that you are looking for?

Answer these questions and you'll see that you need this.

1.) I need a new machine because i sold my ibook and my desktop is dying. Post production requires me to have a powerful machine. I am going to run photoshop and design programs, but I need to learn After Effects and Final Cut Studio. I need portability, but power also to manage my notes in class and my work. I do need the extra power of the video card because the software relies on a dedicated gpu. I cannot afford this machine, but I will definitely wait until I save enough money.

See that was easy, so either buy what you really need or buy what you want, but it all comes down to you and not what anyone else tells you. Some people here are too fanatical, but hey... We are all under Steve Jobs reality distortion field... :apple:
 
I made a choice between the two, and the macbook won it. the 17" is Just. Too. Big. the 15" would have been live with able, but the 13" was good.
The keyboard on the MB is awesome, the MBP keyboard is nasty and cheap feeling..
Magnetic latch++
Price difference, at the time, (last generation macbook pro and macbook) was too much for too little.
If I was buying one today, I would probably go for a 15" glossy, but I would have serious reservations about it over the macbook.
 
I made a choice between the two, and the macbook won it. the 17" is Just. Too. Big. the 15" would have been live with able, but the 13" was good.
The keyboard on the MB is awesome, the MBP keyboard is nasty and cheap feeling..
Magnetic latch++
Price difference, at the time, (last generation macbook pro and macbook) was too much for too little.
If I was buying one today, I would probably go for a 15" glossy, but I would have serious reservations about it over the macbook.

Really? I find the keyboard on the MBP to probably be the nicest keyboard I have ever used. It's just a joy to type on. Ah well, to each his own I guess. :rolleyes:
 
I liked the novelty of the macbook keyboard and it seems fine when typing for short periods here and there, but after long marathon typing sessions my fingers appreciate the MBP keyboard much more.
 
Only reason I said "confusing" (which I admit might be the wrong word) is when a new user comes over to OSX they're going to see a lot about Expose and "press F9 to see all open windows", then having to work out why they get this weird icon on screen instead.

The weight, gotta say I did notice the difference, maybe because the powerbrick is heavier on the MBP as well, not sure. But when you're carrying a laptop, adaptor, books, paperwork and the usual assorted crap that seems to gather in every laptop bag for several hours then a saved pound or two can become a useful benefit. But fair point, to many it won't matter. Perhaps I should have phrased this more as the extra size of the MBP being a pain in certain circumstances where desk space is limited (Starbucks, lecture halls, trains plains and automobiles etc ;) ).

I really don't think that desk space is too much of a concern either. If you think about it, most tables and desks are large enough to have a mbp. The mbp is mostly longer, not deeper, than the mb.
As for the weight deal, I'm still not convinced that one can notice a pound of weight after several hours. If anything, the books would weigh a student down way more than anything else. As for the car, there is always one's lap (imagine, a laptop on your lap). I know they can get a little hot, but mine doesn't heat up too much for about half an hour, and at that point, I can always just give it a rest for a little while.
 
I have nothing to back this up...

but from the limited number of people I've talked to, there seem to be more problems with the Macbook than Macbook Pro.

The Macbook looks and feels like a toy.

A couple of hundred dollars is a lot, yes, but in the long run, wouldn't you rather own the nicer computer? (easy to flame this opinion)

The Macbook Pro is just "nicer" (yes, that's an opinion)

If you're wondering which one to get---

just get the low end Macbook Pro!!!!

There!!! Now 1/2 of the threads in this forum will disappear!

Flame away. You're welcome to your opinion. I'll respect it.

All of my Mac friends (5+) say the 17" on the MBP is too big and has problems getting lose. I am a big screen freak so I got it anyway. Anyone else have this (don't go 17") opinion due to problems?
 
Really? I find the keyboard on the MBP to probably be the nicest keyboard I have ever used. It's just a joy to type on. Ah well, to each his own I guess. :rolleyes:

I liked the novelty of the macbook keyboard and it seems fine when typing for short periods here and there, but after long marathon typing sessions my fingers appreciate the MBP keyboard much more.

You guys aren't alone. I happen to find the mbp keyboard to be much better. I don't know how one can find it to be cheap. I think that in terms of the notebook industry as a whole, the IBM Thinkpad is generally agreed to have the best keyboard. I think that the mbp comes pretty close to that.
 
I liked the novelty of the macbook keyboard and it seems fine when typing for short periods here and there, but after long marathon typing sessions my fingers appreciate the MBP keyboard much more.

Amen. I thought the MacBook keyboard was perfectly fine when I was using it in the store, typing a bunch of crap on it at home was another story. :)
 
Amen. I thought the MacBook keyboard was perfectly fine when I was using it in the store, typing a bunch of crap on it at home was another story. :)

The demos are hard to guage. Short term use is never good enough. Fortunately I was able to try out the macbooks at school, and was able to test the keyboard for longer than a few clicks.
 
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