Just can't settle with the Andriod - always keep going back to the iPhone?

[Bacong]

I had a Moto X and went back to an iPhone 5c because of a few reasons:

- Despite the greatness of the Moto X, it still lagged doing simple things (typing on the keyboard) or the springboard would crash (really, apex launcher's fault most likely)

- the AMOLED display had acquired some burn in
- the apps on Android do not compare, imo, to iOS
- the OS wasn't nearly as consistent from day to day as iOS
- the little UI annoyances in Android (apps looking like Froyo apps in 2014, inconsistent menus, etc

I'll miss Active display for sure though. Touchless control was cool but I can replicate it with Siri. Moto X felt great in the hand and was a beautiful phone.

 

[Sensamic]

Except the iPhone 4 will at least be supported when it's 4 years old.

Yeah, I guess it's better to receive 4 updates than only two, even if those 4 updates end up making the phone slow................. that's better, right?

Oh, and don't forget the great iPhone 4 was "forgotten" by Apple just one year later when it didn't got Siri with iOS 5... Yeah, just one year later. I remember because I had the iPhone 4 at that time.

So let's stop with all the "Apple is better with updates". No company is perfect.

Oh, and one last thing (the most important in fact)... I don't need 4 or 8 updates in Android... you know why? Because since Gingerbread Android can do stuff that iOS will never do...

So what's the point of receiving 4 updates if the features I want won't be included EVER???????

I'm talking about a file explorer, torrent downloading, easy jailbreak (root. So cool that Apple breaks the jailbreak with every single update, huh? I guess it's better that way.........), downloading files from the web easily with the stock browser, Bluetooth file transfers, emulators for games, a gallery app that actually makes sense, widgets, etc.

So I don't care if Apple were to still update the original iPhone.... while they still don't include the features I want and need.

 

[mKTank]

Yeah, I guess it's better to receive 4 updates than only two, even if those 4 updates end up making the phone slow................. that's better, right?

More features = slower. Not sure why that still surprises you lot. Also 7.1 has made it much faster so the updates are going in the right direction.

Oh, and don't forget the great iPhone 4 was "forgotten" by Apple just one year later when it didn't got Siri with iOS 5... Yeah, just one year later. I remember because I had the iPhone 4 at that time.

Please research more. The 4S had a more advanced mic/audio platform that handled voice recognition and sensitivity way better. Siri on the iPhone 4 (through Sprite) was a total joke and was nowhere near as accurate as on the 4S.

So let's stop with all the "Apple is better with updates". No company is perfect.

Never said they're perfect, but they are better with updates. 2X better than Android's best supported phones (Nexus lineup) in fact.

Oh, and one last thing (the most important in fact)... I don't need 4 or 8 updates in Android... you know why? Because since Gingerbread Android can do stuff that iOS will never do...

Yep like crashing and running Froyo-design outdated apps and guzzling battery and running on that hideous JIT runtime and totally written in a language totally unfit for OSes. Oh jeez I wonder how I've been able to sleep at night without these things.

So what's the point of receiving 4 updates if the features I want won't be included EVER???????

Well the majority of people don't really need these features. If they do, they get and prefer the Android platform. Hardly surprising. What's your point again?

I'm talking about a file explorer, torrent downloading, easy jailbreak (root. So cool that Apple breaks the jailbreak with every single update, huh? I guess it's better that way.........), downloading files from the web easily with the stock browser, Bluetooth file transfers, emulators for games, a gallery app that actually makes sense, widgets, etc.

First of all, Apple cares first and foremost about security. By plugging jailbreaks they're actually plugging security issues. "Easy jailbreak" translates to "easily hacked," something Android is known for (go look at some statistics of viruses and malware on Android, it's pathetic). Otherwise I can live without piracy, thanks. I want a phone that's good at being a phone, and the iPhone is just that. Don't get me started on how laughably pathetic Android is at web browsing and particularly JavaScript.

So I don't care if Apple were to still update the original iPhone.... while they still don't include the features I want and need.

Then clearly you bought into the right platform, and good for you. I like Android, I really do. Look at my sig for a list of the different phones I tried and loved. But trying to argue against the fact that Android phones get some of the worst software/hardware support known to man is a bit of a faff. It's Android's biggest downfall by far and I don't have to pull out a fragmentation pie chart to prove it to you, you've probably seen enough of those.

 

[alphaod]

In your opinion.

Isn't that what most of things posted online are? Opinions?


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Anyways my issue with Android is inconsistent experience between devices.

For some reason some apps just don't seem to work the same.

 

[Kariya]

Yeah, I guess it's better to receive 4 updates than only two, even if those 4 updates end up making the phone slow................. that's better, right?

This rhetoric is old. iOS 7.1 runs very well on an iPhone 4. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles of course but you get the core frameworks/APIs and consequently app support.

And that is a feat that should be applauded considering the phone is almost 4 yrs old.

Oh, and don't forget the great iPhone 4 was "forgotten" by Apple just one year later when it didn't got Siri with iOS 5... Yeah, just one year later. I remember because I had the iPhone 4 at that time.

The hardware isn't there to support a great Siri experience. Thats just fact whatever politics you want to argue. I'd rather not have something than have something that doesn't work properly. (One of the reasons i avoid Touchwiz phones)

So let's stop with all the "Apple is better with updates". No company is perfect.

No company is perfect...but Apple is better when it comes to after-sales support. Whether you want to admit it or not.

Oh, and one last thing (the most important in fact)... I don't need 4 or 8 updates in Android... you know why? Because since Gingerbread Android can do stuff that iOS will never do...

So what's the point of receiving 4 updates if the features I want won't be included EVER???????

I'm talking about a file explorer, torrent downloading, easy jailbreak (root. So cool that Apple breaks the jailbreak with every single update, huh? I guess it's better that way.........), downloading files from the web easily with the stock browser, Bluetooth file transfers, emulators for games, a gallery app that actually makes sense, widgets, etc.

So I don't care if Apple were to still update the original iPhone.... while they still don't include the features I want and need.

Glad you found a platform that works for you. Enjoy.

 

[cynics]

Just can't settle with the Andriod - always keep going back to the iPhone?

More features = slower. Not sure why that still surprises you lot. Also 7.1 has made it much faster so the updates are going in the right direction.
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What "new features" is the iPhone 4 been getting to slow it down?

Siri, no. 3D flyover, no. AirDrop, no. Special FX of iOS 7, no. Turn by turn navigation, no. Slow-mo recording, nope....this is funny so I might be wrong can the iPhone 4 not FaceTime over cellular?

iPhone 4 lost feature support a year after it was released.

Apple put a pretty new coat of paint on the OS and adds the control panel. And everyone raves about how up to date iPhones are. They are keeping the OS update to keep you in the AppStore. $$$$$

It's sometimes embarrassing being an iPhone user lol.

In my test iOS 7.1 b4 is MILDLY better on an iPhone 4. I wouldn't expect much if you own a 4. You'll see better results with the 5S and Air.

 

[mKTank]

What "new features" is the iPhone 4 been getting to slow it down?

Siri, no. 3D flyover, no. AirDrop, no. Special FX of iOS 7, no. Turn by turn navigation, no. Slow-mo recording, nope....this is funny so I might be wrong can the iPhone 4 not FaceTime over cellular?

iPhone 4 lost feature support a year after it was released.

Apple put a pretty new coat of paint on the OS and adds the control panel. And everyone raves about how up to date iPhones are. They are keeping the OS update to keep you in the AppStore. $$$$$

It's sometimes embarrassing being an iPhone user lol.

In my test iOS 7.1 b4 is MILDLY better on an iPhone 4. I wouldn't expect much if you own a 4. You'll see better results with the 5S and Air.

It's about the new APIs and the added security. Those things matter in a huge way. And all of those features you mentioned, aside from Airdrop (which I'm sure they had a good reason for but don't let me stop armchair software engineers from arguing) are all impossible on the iPhone 4 because of hardware limitations. It's a 4 year old phone. 800MHz single core. Expecting it to power through some of those features is unrealistic. I'd rather have up to date APIs and security over the alternative of getting absolutely nothing and using an OS riddled with security holes (Galaxy Nexus for example, which has much better specs than the iPhone 4 yet already lost support. It's depressing being an Android user and knowing that the makers of your phone don't care about its customers).

I have a 4 at home and the performance and animations have improved significantly with 7.1b3/4. If you seriously can't tell a difference then I unfortunately can't help you there.

 

[Lloydbm41]

It's about the new APIs and the added security. Those things matter in a huge way. And all of those features you mentioned, aside from Airdrop (which I'm sure they had a good reason for but don't let me stop armchair software engineers from arguing) are all impossible on the iPhone 4 because of hardware limitations.

Completely incorrect. Siri worked fine on the iPhone 4 BEFORE Apple bought Siri and castrated the iPhone 4, trying to force everyone to upgrade to the 4S. You see, Siri was the only 'new' thing to get people to buy the 4S. And I had an iPhone 4 at the time and after jailbreaking it, I used Siri just fine. Apple was utterly and completely full of sh#t about the 4 not being able to effectively use Siri. They lied. End of story.
Additionally, adding turn by turn navigation would not be an issue for the iPhone 4. Hell, even more limited hardware phones by Nokia (feature phones in fact!) can do it just fine.

As for Airdrop, Apple once again purposely neutered not just iPhones, but also Macs. 1 year old iMacs were left high and dry from being able to use Airdrop. Pure crap when you spend 2k on an iMac just a couple months earlier.

It's a 4 year old phone. 800MHz single core. Expecting it to power through some of those features is unrealistic. I'd rather have up to date APIs and security over the alternative of getting absolutely nothing and using an OS riddled with security holes (Galaxy Nexus for example, which has much better specs than the iPhone 4 yet already lost support. It's depressing being an Android user and knowing that the makers of your phone don't care about its customers).

You just killed your credibility. You have no idea what OEM's think, unless you are a CEO or board member of an OEM? As for security holes, I believe Apple is the only company to have its developer site hacked? Gotta wonder how many sleeper exploits were added? I have no idea if any were or were not added, but it is a valid concern that Apple has yet to publically address. They probably have no idea themselves and won't know until a virus or malware is activated. Security and malware effects all OS's. Even iOS and OSX. Get over it.

It is pretty obvious you just simply hate Android and love Apple. That's fine. Just say that. Don't try and blow smoke up our butts with b.s.

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iOS 7 multitasking is quite different than Androids - I assure you. While iOS 7 has it's bugs, I haven't found it to be any slower or less fluid than KitKat. My retina iPad mini, 5S and 5C all run very smoothly with the occasional bug. It'll be sorted out and 7.1 will be what iOS 7 should've (and likely was supposed to have) been.

I agree with your statement. I have the first gen Mini and iOS7 runs great. Can't find any flaws (other than a random force close, but you get that on Android too.) The iPhone 5S I just got for the wife does have the random reboot bug, which is being addressed in iOS7.1 update, so not concerned there.

Personally I find both KitKat on my flagship phones (HTC One and Nexus 5) run just as smooth as iOS7 on my iPad Mini and wife's iPhone 5S.

BTW, did you see my post about getting the 520 unlocked from AT&T? If you got your 520 from Microsoft, it won't be an issue. Just fill out the form on the link I gave out and email it in to AT&T. You will get an unlock code in roughly 2-3 days. My T-Mobile sim works great in my 520. And really easy to just call up and add minutes via a credit or debit card. Convenient.

 

[mKTank]

Completely incorrect. Siri worked fine on the iPhone 4 BEFORE Apple bought Siri and castrated the iPhone 4, trying to force everyone to upgrade to the 4S. You see, Siri was the only 'new' thing to get people to buy the 4S. And I had an iPhone 4 at the time and after jailbreaking it, I used Siri just fine. Apple was utterly and completely full of sh#t about the 4 not being able to effectively use Siri. They lied. End of story.
Additionally, adding turn by turn navigation would not be an issue for the iPhone 4. Hell, even more limited hardware phones by Nokia (feature phones in fact!) can do it just fine.

Well real Siri on an iPhone 4 was terrible and that's that. And it's been proven by sites that explain the extra audio capabilities of the 4S. Go look it up.

As for Airdrop, Apple once again purposely neutered not just iPhones, but also Macs. 1 year old iMacs were left high and dry from being able to use Airdrop. Pure crap when you spend 2k on an iMac just a couple months earlier.

Well you don't know all the facts behind its implementation so you can't judge whether they're sufficiently capable or not.

You just killed your credibility. You have no idea what OEM's think, unless you are a CEO or board member of an OEM?

I don't care how credible I appear to you. I'm saying the facts and you lot ignore it. I don't care who I do or don't convince. But the fact that Android device support has an average lifespan of a year doesn't scream "we care about our customers" to me.

As for security holes, I believe Apple is the only company to have its developer site hacked? Gotta wonder how many sleeper exploits were added?

Uh that's a terrible point to make. One of their websites got hacked. That has nothing to do with iOS. Picking at the straws aren't we?

I have no idea if any were or were not added, but it is a valid concern that Apple has yet to publically address. They probably have no idea themselves and won't know until a virus or malware is activated. Security and malware effects all OS's. Even iOS and OSX. Get over it.

The dev site isn't linked in any way to the iOS internal servers. So that point is completely moot.

Android is several hundreds of percents more prone to getting malware and viruses. Go look up the embarrassing statistics that were published over the last week. Sure no company is totally hack-proof but it takes several months for top hackers to find an exploit in iOS. Whereas you're practically tripping over security potholes with Android. But hey at least you get faster jailbreaks so congrats.

It is pretty obvious you just simply hate Android and love Apple. That's fine. Just say that. Don't try and blow smoke up our butts with b.s.

If you bothered to look at my sig you'd see that I've owned more Android phones than iPhones and for a longer period of time. I've probably used Android longer than most Android enthusiasts. I don't appreciate the overflow of ad hominem that you throw in your posts either so knock it off.

Edit: actually forget it all. I'm repeating the same facts over and over again and you guys aren't getting it. You're right and all of those statistics and market studies that agree with me are wrong. Congratulations. But I'm not wasting more time arguing with somebody who can't make a single post without throwing insults around.

 

[tjl3]

Like Swizz, back and for good. The Nexus 5 was gorgeous, the screen was amazing, the form and quality superb, probably the fastest feeling phone I've ever used. But it still disappointed like every time I decide to pick up a Nexus. The battery was all over the place, sometimes the GPS would get stuck on until several reboots, the phone app constantly kept the phone awake w/ the screen off, and I could feel the CPU get warm in my pocket randomly as I saw several 10s of % diminish between sleep and wake. Another annoying occurrence was my contacts constantly disappearing and causing my texts in Hangouts to lose their contact names...

In the end, I just don't need any extra features that Android offers. iPhone has always done just fine. Screen size was never an overwhelming factor for me and I kind of forced myself to think that it did. In fact, it was nice for the first few weeks, refreshing, but in the end I longed for iPhone's sleek design, integration, and simplicity =(

 

[Zyiros]

That's true but the S4 is indeed a lagfest compared to Samsung's better offerings like the Note 3. Unfortunately Samsung doesn't optimize their UI so I can understand why some people prefer to go stock android.

The best of Android is a Nexus 5 with Apex Launcher Pro. Its the smoothest Android experience, and no Samsung bloatware.

 

[Oletros]

Another annoying occurrence was my contacts constantly disappearing and causing my texts in Hangouts to lose their contact names...

Are you saying that Google contact sync doesn't work and make contacts disappear?

 

[cynics]

It's about the new APIs and the added security. Those things matter in a huge way. And all of those features you mentioned, aside from Airdrop (which I'm sure they had a good reason for but don't let me stop armchair software engineers from arguing) are all impossible on the iPhone 4 because of hardware limitations. It's a 4 year old phone. 800MHz single core. Expecting it to power through some of those features is unrealistic. I'd rather have up to date APIs and security over the alternative of getting absolutely nothing and using an OS riddled with security holes (Galaxy Nexus for example, which has much better specs than the iPhone 4 yet already lost support. It's depressing being an Android user and knowing that the makers of your phone don't care about its customers).



I have a 4 at home and the performance and animations have improved significantly with 7.1b3/4. If you seriously can't tell a difference then I unfortunately can't help you there.

First off I didn't say there wasn't a reason the iPhone 4 didn't get features I just said it didn't.

You specifically said it's hardware can't support those features I mentioned. Including the special fx of iOS 7. Then you say software of 7.1 fixes it's performance issues. So which is it? Does it have lack hardware or will software fix it?

Funny you mention the Nexus. Last I checked it's core apps are still updated. And getting new features related to those apps.

It's bad the Gnex isn't getting updates for supposed hardware reasons. But it's ok the iPhone 4 is all but unusable for the last few months due to updates?

Your post are becoming backwards riddles to push some strange agenda. If you think the single core iPhone 4 is going to be fixed with iOS 7.1 that addresses memory leaks and 64 bit things I don't know what to tell you. Apple dumb down iOS 7 for the 4 as much as possible, not me nor am I making that up from my software engineer armchair.

 

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