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Ironic

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Oct 6, 2008
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In my MBA!
As Rev.B is a premium laptop, it is never showcased in Singapore. Its on request basis - you gotta ask if you want it.

Good question though.... I am curious too.

I work with photos all day long, and yes my eyes are fine, I work with colors and see the slightest smudge on my screen, I think some dont have them, some havethem very faint and others are bad, Maybe the changed something during the build seems like alot of us have good week 44's.
 

frifra

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I work with photos all day long, and yes my eyes are fine, I work with colors and see the slightest smudge on my screen, I think some dont have them, some havethem very faint and others are bad, Maybe the changed something during the build seems like alot of us have good week 44's.

You might be lucky then. But as I said, we haven't heard of anyone, who has knowledge of the lines and knows how they look like and has a MBA rev.b without. Also, some users (like Stefan R., among others) who first claimed having an MBA without lines, later on recognised them quite clearly.
 

Ironic

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Oct 6, 2008
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In my MBA!
You might be lucky then. But as I said, we haven't heard of anyone, who has knowledge of the lines and knows how they look like and has a MBA rev.b without. Also, some users (like Stefan R., among others) who first claimed having an MBA without lines, later on recognised them quite clearly.
I do think there is more then a few of us:)
 

frifra

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Hey guyes, I am really pissed right now.

Just got a brand new MBA Rev.B - W8849

Lines are visible all the time (5 degree downwards, as somebody else stated before), especially on the grey background behind the macrumours logo. No matter what I changed so far (color, displaz, resolution) it stays with the lines.
As well it comes with a symetric 2cm scratch on the lid.

I have to use my thinkpad soon, as my eyes start burning and getting dry (I wonder why...).

EDIT for answer to next post: Yes I discovered the thread (the very first one) right after my payment. As other people said, that they dont have the problem, I thought I might be lucky and gave it a try. I am just so unhappy now, as I really love the design and just everything about it. If the screen would be fine and not hurt my eyes, it would be so perfect! I am just so disappointed.
Apart from the issue I really adore it. Its features, MacOS! Its just great. Didnt even know there would be this kind of label function for files, which I was always looking for under Windows. :(

Thanks HLdan. Is it possible to send you a pm? Cause it doesnt show up, when I click on your name.

PS: Could it be, that the backlight somehow projects the lines onto the screen? If yes, does anybody know a method to test it?

 

HLdan

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Aug 22, 2007
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Hey guyes, I am really pissed right now.

Just got a brand new MBA Rev.B -

Lines are visible all the time, especially on the grey background behind the macrumours logo. No matter what I changed so far (color, displaz, resolution) it stays with the lines.
As well it comes with a symetric 2cm scratch on the lid.

I have to use my thinkpad soon, as my eyes start burning and getting dry (I wonder why...).

It's not smart to reveal your entire serial number on a public forum. And for the rest of your post, we all know what's up dude, please don't hammer it any further without checking out other posts or did you read the forum before your purchase?
 

tubbymac

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HLdan you should remove that serial number from your quote, or a moderator should edit it out.

Rats I was hoping we'd be safe from lines in North America, but now frifra got the lines in Canada.
 

tommi80

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Nov 23, 2008
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Hey,

I've phoned again with a guy from the "apple executive relations" today and he told me that these MBA displays are in spec. He recommends to go to an apple store, and buy the unit with the faintest lines... :eek:

Thats really disappointing! I can't live with the flickering and grey lines on the MBA, and I can't live with the mirror-display on the MB(P).
I really hope my actual MBP will not die in the near future. Otherwise I'll switch back to a non-glossy PC laptop with linux...

Tom.
 

alphaxono

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Dec 4, 2008
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I just got a call from Apple. They said that they changed my Screen and Logic Board and that the problem with the lines was still there. They told me that they will contact engineering about the problem and see what they can do.

I remember that some of you got the same response. What was the conclusion? :confused:
 

alphaxono

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Dec 4, 2008
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Hey,
I've phoned again with a guy from the "apple executive relations" today and he told me that these MBA displays are in spec.

How can this screen be in spec. I know Apple is going Green but using a Screen that looks like recycled Paper is going a bit too far.

I don't know of any other display with lines like that. How can that be in spec.
 

Ironic

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Oct 6, 2008
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In my MBA!
How can this screen be in spec. I know Apple is going Green but using a Screen that looks like recycled Paper is going a bit too far.

I don't know of any other display with lines like that. How can that be in spec.

What I really don't understand is why do some have no lines, what changed during the making of them?
 

tommi80

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Nov 23, 2008
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How can this screen be in spec. I know Apple is going Green but using a Screen that looks like recycled Paper is going a bit too far.

I don't know of any other display with lines like that. How can that be in spec.

The only way to get apples attention is to send it back an make complaints on the apple care hotline.
If there are enough complaints, apple will have to stop ignoring their customer...
 

h1d

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Nov 30, 2008
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> buy the unit with the faintest lines

Very impressive... impressive enough to lower my faith in Apple. I mean, that's some really idiotic suggestion, quite frankly.

> Apple is going Green but using a Screen that looks like recycled Paper is going a bit too far

:D

The worse thing is, they don't even tell the staff about the problem and make us all confused when they go 'buy the best look out of the worst display ever', 'huh? don't know what you are talking about', 'oh, i'm calling an engineer again', 'i think its WITHIN SPECS!' craps. Would be fun to collect all the responses from Apple that people wrote in here or in the related threads and send that compiled to mr jobs to tell him how staff are well taught...
 

alphaxono

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Dec 4, 2008
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I wish Apple would just admit that there is a problem and not leave us out in the dark.

Just letting us know that there is a problem and that they are working on solution would be enough to put my mind at ease.

All we have now, is relying on various forums to see what others have experienced regarding this issue and Apple Support.
 

HLdan

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Aug 22, 2007
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I wish Apple would just admit that there is a problem and not leave us out in the dark.

Just letting us know that there is a problem and that they are working on solution would be enough to put my mind at ease.

All we have now, is relying on various forums to see what others have experienced regarding this issue and Apple Support.

They won't acknowledge or admit to a problem if not enough people are reporting it to Apple. The majority of the complainers come only to forums to vent and share in each others misery. The one's reporting it to Apple are only calling their customer service line rather than going to Apple's website and report the problem. Calling Apple's customer service makes it appear to be an isolated incident. If even half of the complainers that come here only to vent went to Apple's website and reported the problem then maybe it would be addressed as a widespread issue but some of you just like to come here to share in each others misery and talk crap about Apple rather than step up to the plate and go to Apple yourself.
 

jtmav

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Dec 15, 2007
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Open the box in the store?

So I am going to the Apple store this afternoon to buy a Mac book Air. I have been lurking here since the introduction of the Air. I am now concerned with the screen issues described in this thread, as well as others. I am coming from a 13.3" VAIO which has a very good screen. I hope the Air will at least be as good and I was hoping for better. Is it the consensus here that I open the box on site and determine the screen to be good? Is there a particular background setting that more clearly shows the potential defect?
Thanks for your help,
JTMav
 

nph

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Feb 9, 2005
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Screen quality

Is it just me or why doesn't other reviewers talk about the really bad quality of the MB?

When looking at the MBA (even if some screens have the lines) the contrast and viewing angle are hugely better on the MBA.
I actually bought the MB and returned for 3 reasons:
1) It actually got quite hot
2) Really bad reflections
3) Lousy viewing angle and contrast (unless in perfect seating angle)

The MBA addresses all 3 of my issues above and once I see the line issues resolved I will buy one.

Sure, the MB is quite good but they always fail to mention the limitations of the screen when they compare the MBA and MB. If not MBA I would have gone with the MBP but too heavy and more power than I need since I have an imac for my handbreak stuff. :)
 
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You might be lucky then. But as I said, we haven't heard of anyone, who has knowledge of the lines and knows how they look like and has a MBA rev.b without. Also, some users (like Stefan R., among others) who first claimed having an MBA without lines, later on recognised them quite clearly.

Here is a PC World Review of the new Macbook Air.

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/product/43960/review/macbook_air.html

The Reviewer doesn't seem to have the display problem.
I wonder whether any Reviews are out there mentioning this Problem.

Here are two examples of what happens when you stop people from posting who do not have line issues with the MBA. Please read the following carefully, I am not claiming there is no issue, I'm simply claiming it's not as widespread as you would think reading this forum.

I respectfully submit the line problem is a small issue that affects a small amount of MBAs. Again, I am not saying there is no issue, it's just not as widespread as you would believe. Posters who do not have an issue have been asked not to post, allowing others to whip themselves into a frenzy believing that every MBA has this issue. This is simply not the case.
 

Lumpydog

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Aug 3, 2007
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So I am going to the Apple store this afternoon to buy a Mac book Air. I have been lurking here since the introduction of the Air. I am now concerned with the screen issues described in this thread, as well as others. I am coming from a 13.3" VAIO which has a very good screen. I hope the Air will at least be as good and I was hoping for better. Is it the consensus here that I open the box on site and determine the screen to be good? Is there a particular background setting that more clearly shows the potential defect?
Thanks for your help,
JTMav


I did the same thing as you - read about the problems here and rolled the dice. My advice is to look at the things you normally would first - web browsing, etc. Do you see the lines? If no, you can go looking for them, and I'm sure you'll find them - if you try REALLY hard. Hell - I managed to see them on my Rev A after owning it for 8 months and not noticing them.

On my Rev B Air, I can't see them at all unless I get my head at the exact right spot and the screen at the exact right angle.

Unless it's immediately obvious during normal use, keep it an be happy. It's a great laptop.
 

alphaxono

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Dec 4, 2008
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Here are two examples of what happens when you stop people from posting who do not have line issues with the MBA. Please read the following carefully, I am not claiming there is no issue, I'm simply claiming it's not as widespread as you would think reading this forum.

In my case, my MBA has been at Apple Support for over a week. They changed the screen, they changed the Logic Board but the Problem still exists. Apple Support told me that there are a couple of people with this problem and they sent the MBA to engineering for further Analysis.

I congratulate everyone with a MBA with a working Screen. If you are tired of people bitching about this problem I would suggest a new Thread called:
"I am freakishly good-looking and so is my Screen"

For the ones who just can't see the lines while others can, I suggest:
"My eyes are going bad, and I'm loving it!"

Either way, this is a great forum. I am happy that people with the same problems have a platform to voice their concerns and keep each other updated.

Wish you all a Merry Christmas
 
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