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frifra

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So Ironic, we ALL know by now that YOU LOVE YOUR FLAWLESS MBA more than anything else in the world and that its just perfect and nothing is wrong with it. - So why do you post this over and over again? Especially in this THREAD? (Consider this as an rhetorical question).

Further - to stay on topic - I have to say, that all the pictures which are posted on page 5/6 of this thread are worthless.
This was already discussed in another Thread, that it is really hard to take a picture of the lines (even with different camera types, flash etc etc.). For me it is easily possible to take a thousand pictures of my MBA Screen (which is affected and has lines) without any notice of them on the picture. The only lines which you can see on the pics are not horizontal and due to some interference between display and camera (which appear on every picture of a display).
 

Ironic

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In my MBA!
So Ironic, we ALL know by now that YOU LOVE YOUR FLAWLESS MBA more than anything else in the world and that its just perfect and nothing is wrong with it. - So why do you post this over and over again? Especially in this THREAD? (Consider this as an rhetorical question).

Further - to stay on topic - I have to say, that all the pictures which are posted on page 5/6 of this thread are worthless.
This was already discussed in another Thread, that it is really hard to take a picture of the lines (even with different camera types, flash etc etc.). For me it is easily possible to take a thousand pictures of my MBA Screen (which is affected and has lines) without any notice of them on the picture. The only lines which you can see on the pics are not horizontal and due to some interference between display and camera (which appear on every picture of a display).


even IF mine was flawed, I still would love it. Either return it, or Love it. its that simple.
 

alphaxono

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To all the people with the MBA's that are just so perfect (I mean you Ironic and Toddfather). You have your own thread and you are getting on my nerves. Every other comment is made by one of you saying how perfect and rosy everything is or trying to make some smart ass comments which are actually not funny ("I see dead people"...really? That's the best you could come up with?). I don't care how it is for you, no one asked!
If I had a MBA that was flawless I would not even think about spending my time trolling around this thread. Don't get me wrong, I am happy that you guys have at least this one thing that is going right for you, but please for the sake of keeping this informational. STOP!!!!
 

Maven1975

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Just want to put it out there.. I have owned two 1.86 SSD Airs with line issues. In addition, the Apple store's located in Glendale, Scottsdale, Arrowhead and San Tan Arizona have display MBA's with line issues. While this doesn't vouch for all, it is a clear indication that there are issues out there.

I seriously miss my Air, but this MBP 2.53 is growing each day.
 

mhnajjar

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Mar 3, 2008
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The problem is not having flaws, but having a company not appreciating its customers by stating "this is within specs".

Well, I checked the specs sheets and I did not see that the screen comes with "thin grey horizontal lines" lol
 

ninjadex

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I mean you Ironic and Toddfather

Yeah, it's pretty sad to see the way some people treat others. I think is safe to say that nobody wants any more input in this thread from these two. They have gone above and beyond to prove themselves as trolls.
 

Ironic

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In my MBA!
Yeah, it's pretty sad to see the way some people treat others. I think is safe to say that nobody wants any more input in this thread from these two. They have gone above and beyond to prove themselves as trolls.
Yea, we are trolls, because we have a opinion that is not liked.:cool:
 

Lumpydog

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Yea, we are trolls, because we have a opinion that is not liked.:cool:

Ironic - I follow a lot of the threads here. Personally, I find your comments to be high in quantity and low in value - some are borderline taunting - after you've been asked to stop.

Please consider posting less - if you're not furthering the conversation or adding something new, don't post it.
 
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Yeah, it's pretty sad to see the way some people treat others. I think is safe to say that nobody wants any more input in this thread from these two. They have gone above and beyond to prove themselves as trolls.

Here's the issue ninja, someone on this thread asked to see pics of an MBA without the lines. I, and others, posted pics of good screens and then was told that is didn't prove anything. One joker even said that it did indeed have lines, which is quite arrogant when you consider I use it everyday, don't see the lines and have posted pics to the contrary. I purchased this computer for nearly $2700 (with tax), trust me, if there was an issue it would have gone back.

If you have a bad screen, I feel bad for you and I hope Apple fixes it, but to try to attack someone just because they do not have the issue is silly. If you're mad at Apple because they gave you a crap product I understand you being mad at them, but to try to make everyone else miserable is misguided.
 

ashowkati

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Jun 9, 2008
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A few things are making me revisit another theory I read somewhere where the lines are blamed on the anti-glare coating on the screens. I don't want this to turn into an argument on if I'm insinuating they exist on every screen (we've got a few pages full of that already). The reason I was brought to this theory was because yesterday while using my brother's MacBook (aluminum), I noticed the lines. But that wasn't even it. It was when I was watching Diggnation. Last night's episode was sponsored by PSP 3000, so when it came time to talk about their sponsors, they mentioned that the PSP now has an anti-glare screen. Then when it cut to the close up of him holding it, IT HAD LINES!

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Although they were a lot more noticeable on the PSP, they were eerily similar to our lines. Just some food for thought. Here's the episode link. It occurs at 32:25
 

Maven1975

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Interesting that they are not present in Rev. A machines. Are the cables attached to the monitor the same as Rev. A? If so, I guess one could buy a Rev. A from Apple and do the work they refuse themselves. (Swap)
 

SummerBoy

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Dec 19, 2008
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Another horizontal line user.

I orderd 1.8 128 SSD Macbook air.

Yes, it does have lines and it sucks... week 48.

I don't wanna go all the hassle returning this and I like it so I will keep it

and hopefully software update would fix it
 

mhnajjar

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Mar 3, 2008
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I orderd 1.8 128 SSD Macbook air.

Yes, it does have lines and it sucks... week 48.

I don't wanna go all the hassle returning this and I like it so I will keep it

and hopefully software update would fix it

A software update canNOT fix this since it runs fine on an external monitor. I tried it on the 24" LED ACD and it was PERFECT. This means the lines are on the screen itself.
 

SummerBoy

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Dec 19, 2008
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A software update canNOT fix this since it runs fine on an external monitor. I tried it on the 24" LED ACD and it was PERFECT. This means the lines are on the screen itself.

That's very surprise..

wow.. I'd never expected this kind of crap would happen to $2700 laptop..

Well..I mean what should I do? really..I'm stunned... haha
 

zer0tails

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Mar 23, 2008
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Not sure if anyone has confirmed this yet but I'm thinking its not the LCD that is defective but the lines are a result of the screen coating.

what do ya'all think?
 

mhnajjar

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Mar 3, 2008
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Sometimes I think that the lines are just some dirt behind the screen like a residue or something!
 

tubbymac

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Nov 6, 2008
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I swung by Apple Store Yorkdale while xmas shopping last night. I went there to buy the Macbook Air for myself. I wanted to be certain of the lines though, so I followed the instructions posted in frifra's post here to see if I could reproduce the flickering and the lines. He mentioned this store and until now I haven't been able to find any Macbook Air rev B with the lines:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/6714050/

I was able to reproduce the results. I saw both the flickering and the lines for the first time. Argh! That cost Apple the sale. One of the employees there I asked over and he was able to see it as well. I tried to get a good angle to take a picture of the lines and couldn't get any angle with enough light to show the lines on my iPhone.

The test pattern actually passed. The one where it said "if both sides of this picture look the same color your display has passed." There was a very noticeable flickering on the edges of the picture though. I could not confirm whether this was due to the lightning of the Apple Store or if this was the display itself. Since other people have seen the flickering at their own homes, I'm guessing it wasn't the lights.

I used the flash app on that link to give myself a white browser. The lines to me looked nothing like the pictures I've seen so far. They were faint, slightly yellow and gray. They appeared to be located on the top layer of the screen ABOVE the layer with the actual LCD pixels. When I moved my head around the lines seemed to move around and did not seem to be "stuck" to the pixels. Imagine one of those parallax side scrolling games where different layers of the background move independently, that's what it looked like.
 

mhnajjar

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Mar 3, 2008
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You are right and I am glad that you were able to see them lines before purchasing a defective machine and then Apple not acknowledging them as a defect!
 

BrianGriffin

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Dec 22, 2008
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Oh yes there is, Oh no there isn't.

There is nothing wrong with the MB Air screens.

This "Lines" issue is starting to sound like a panto :D Hopefully I can put this argument to rest:

I currently have an open case with an Apple Executive Relations Manager who called me on Friday 19th December 2008 and said "We can confirm the 'lines' issue with the new MacBook Air, we are aware of the problem and our engineering team is working on a resolution 24/7". I asked if the problem was hardware or software related and he said "I am unable to confirm either way at this stage".

So Apple has confirmed the problem, but the cause is unknown at this stage.


Happy Christmas !
 

Hey Jude

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May 9, 2008
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I was able to reproduce the results. I saw both the flickering and the lines for the first time. Argh! That cost Apple the sale

Yeah, I feel the same way. Apple won't see a dime from me until this issue is resolved.



This "Lines" issue is starting to sound like a panto :D Hopefully I can put this argument to rest:

I currently have an open case with an Apple Executive Relations Manager who called me on Friday 19th December 2008 and said "We can confirm the 'lines' issue with the new MacBook Air, we are aware of the problem and our engineering team is working on a resolution 24/7". I asked if the problem was hardware or software related and he said "I am unable to confirm either way at this stage".

So Apple has confirmed the problem, but the cause is unknown at this stage.


Happy Christmas !

Great, I hope the issue pertaining to the lines is finally put to bed.

Jude
 

LeonX

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Aug 21, 2008
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I currently have an open case with an Apple Executive Relations Manager who called me on Friday 19th December 2008 and said "We can confirm the 'lines' issue with the new MacBook Air, we are aware of the problem and our engineering team is working on a resolution 24/7". I asked if the problem was hardware or software related and he said "I am unable to confirm either way at this stage".

So Apple has confirmed the problem, but the cause is unknown at this stage.

Funny, I would think they just use another panel - if its gone its the panel, if not they change every single component after another. A couple of hours later they should know whos the culprit. try and error.

But if thats true this is really good news. I did got refund for my rev.B and the money is just waiting for a new mba. But don't wait too long, Apple, theres a lot I can do with 2100 euros...
 
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