Once again. I feel your opinion was more sour grapes than anything else. Just about any Apple product can have it's tasks performed by a cheaper PC equivalent.
And I gave an opinion on people who give opinions on luxury products they do not own.
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Once again. I feel your opinion was more sour grapes than anything else. Just about any Apple product can have it's tasks performed by a cheaper PC equivalent.
And I gave an opinion on people who give opinions on luxury products they do not own.
You've suggested several times that a iMac might be a better way to go for some people's needs. Failing to recognized that a new iMac won't bring the satisfaction like a nMP. The OP knows he could have bought a iMac. But who wants to spend that much on yesterday's technology? Just for pure need versus money argument? - Then why choose Apple at all?
Yes, the point is you're confused about who said what and therefore you're attributing to me things I never said.
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based on what i was reading from you guys...he is stating that you are a TROLL...
I believe you are correct. However I feel he has me confused with someone else as he's attributing things to me I never said.
yeah i hear you..nothing wrong with opinion..some take it offensive...some don't ..it's all good at the end of the day.
Once again it's pretty simple. A lot of people responding to the nMP threads who don't own one. And of course they prefer/recommend buying just what one needs vrs machines that won't be utilized for the foreseeable future. Blah Blah Blah.
Of course you could apply this logic to anything made by Apple, Cellphones, PCs, and Gaming rigs. Basically any new technology over the last 5 yrs or so. .....yet where are these jealous mofos setting up camp? -Here in nMP land. Why? - They want one but can't afford it. Plain and simple.
I wouldn't put much stock in anyone's opinion who doesn't own one. They're just jealous and that's understandable.
Knowledge and expertise comes with experience. How can you have either on a ground-breaking product you don't own.
Of course you could apply this logic to anything made by Apple, Cellphones, PCs, and Gaming rigs. Basically any new technology over the last 5 yrs or so. .....yet where are these jealous mofos setting up camp? -Here in nMP land. Why? - They want one but can't afford it. Plain and simple.
I wouldn't put much stock in anyone's opinion who doesn't own one. They're just jealous and that's understandable.
Knowledge and expertise comes with experience. How can you have either on a ground-breaking product you don't own.
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Or... Some of us who have used the older models (I have a few dozens still going strong in my IT dept) think the nMP is just not worth it as a successor to the oMP. Having to move all internal drives to external boxes and going from cuda enabled gpu to a strickly amp/ocl solution isn't really possible.
To others it's having a discussion of using the right tool for a job. I don't care if someone wants to define right tool as "I want to"...if that's their criteria I have no objection. It's not for me to decide. However it's clear the OP didn't buy the nMP based on "I want to". He felt the technical benefits it offered would help his workflow. He discovered it did not. And sometimes a a different system, even if considerably less capable in certain situations, is the better tool.
What is the "full potential"? Why do you need to use the full potential? I think your definition of full potential and mine differ quite a bit. My definition is value. If I am unable to recoup the cost with work, it was a poor decision and has little value. Since I have already recouped the cost it was an excellent decision and has high value. Most people don't use the things they purchase to its full potential - cars, homes, televisions, and food are good examples.
There are probably very few individual tasks which can utilize the full potential of each individual subsystem of the entire system. There are likely to be more users who perform multiple, individual tasks each of which utilizes the full potential of that individual subsystem.
Then there are those use cases which do not utilize the full potential of the entire system but can utilize the full potential of one aspect of the system. For example anyone who can benefit from the dual GPU's has no other option than to buy a MP. The same applies to anyone who requires more than 32GB or RAM. Or more than four cores. Even though the full potential (processor, RAM, and GPU's) of the system won't be used by such an individual they will use the full potential of that specific area they need.
I disagree.
Again, the primary advantage of the Mac Pro for developers is the six core/eight core/twelve core configurations, all of which can be fully utilized by development tools.
The GPUs are nice, and usable if you're doing any development with complex graphics, but a 6, 8, or 12 core Mac Pro with D300s is a machine that can be made great use of by developers.
The only problem is OP bought a 4 core, which offers no advantage over a nice Mac Mini or iMac.
Apart from the fastest PCIe SSD storage, 16GB+ RAM, 4k monitor support, great performance under load/heat, more powerful GPUs, choice of monitor (WRT iMac) and so on...
This is a very exaggerated and false simplification not deserving to be placed in a technical forum!
The 4 core nMP cannot be compared with a Mac Mini and countless people all over the world bought a 4 core nMP spending much more money and waiting much longer than the equivalent money and delivery time for a Mac Mini!
They certainly knew why!!!
As to the iMac, not everyone wants to be bound to a fix, neither removable nor exchangeable display for the whole life of the computer!
Besides, an iMac can become quite hot and noisy when stressed while a 4c nMP remains always cool and quiet.
People often compare them based on the price of a stock 4c nMP being not far from an high class iMac, but they are certainly not equal and while some people might prefer for some kind of tasks an iMac, others will for sure rather buy a 4c nMP and be happy with its performance.
Well done. With such skills at twisting the truth you have a fine career ahead of you....in politics.
The 4 core nMP cannot be compared with a Mac Mini and countless people all over the world bought a 4 core nMP spending much more money and waiting much longer than the equivalent money and delivery time for a Mac Mini!
They certainly knew why!!!
For development, nope, no advantage, unless you're doing GPU development. A Mac Pro is slightly faster at 4 cores, but the price really isn't worth it.
Compiling code is all CPU, and some disk, so other components simply don't factor in at all. Get a well configured iMac or Mac Mini with an SSD and quad core if you're looking at a 4 core Mac Pro for coding, and you'll save a lot of money while getting similar performance. Or heck, get a Retina Macbook Pro, which is less money, but will probably beat a MP in CPU performance due to being a Haswell part.
If you're looking at a 6-12 core Mac Pro, that's different.
I really doubt any people saying I don't know what I'm talking about have spent much time, or any time, doing development. There is nothing a 4 core Mac Pro will get you for development over a lot of other machines.
Yes, the iMac doesn't have a changeable display, but for the cost of the Mac Pro, I could buy two iMacs. I could either keep a spare under my desk, or buy another one in two-three years when they get upgraded. Again, at a higher performance than a 4 core Mac Pro.
You missed his point. The iMac won't be a nMP. And the nMP has a whole lot of advantages over the current iMac besides sheer need/performance. And you don't get it unless you're running one.
What technology is actually bought out of need these days? It's mostly want nowadays! Want a new iPhone 5s even though you don't need it? At least nMP users have the cash and expertise to afford unlike the rest of the people buying a whole lot of technology they don't need.
Sour grapes!
Quite a bit. Take a look at all the people hanging on to Windows XP (no, this is not intended to be a PC versus Mac debate...merely an example) because it does what people need.
goMac's discussion is not about want, it's about need. There are two components to buying a computer: Needs and wants. goMac is referring to the need component. You continue to argue the want side. The problem is people, at least I have, fully recognized your side of the discussion. Yet you continue to feel the need to interject it into a discussion about need / suitability / practicality.
The OP asked why the nMP didn't seem to make his development tools work better. I answered the question.
No where did I say if you've got the disposable income and you want a Mac Pro, you shouldn't buy one. I simply answered the OP's questions. If you want a 4 core MP, by all means, buy one. Just don't expect it's going to make Xcode run any faster because it won't.
It seems like you think I don't like the Mac Pro, which isn't true at all (I own one, and do development on one). Don't confuse hating the Mac Pro for giving an actual, factual, answer. You should check your attitude.