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Rogifan said:
Sure but I don’t currently have to do anything with accessibility settings. Updating to a new OS shouldn’t make me have to. I don’t believe Apple intended for it to ship like this. My question is how did this even make it to the first beta? Were they that behind/in a rush to meet the beta 1 deadline?
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You updated to a beta. It hasn’t shipped yet, hence why it’s not only a beta but a DEVELOPER beta. They have a feedback app for a reason, go use it. It made it to the first beta because Apple wanted input as to how to tie the design together (I assume, obviously none of us know).
 
Devyn89 said:
You updated to a beta. It hasn’t shipped yet, hence why it’s not only a beta but a DEVELOPER beta. They have a feedback app for a reason, go use it. It made it to the first beta because Apple wanted input as to how to tie the design together (I assume, obviously none of us know).
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To be clear, I’m not on the beta. All my comments are based seeing what others are sharing on social media.
 
Devyn89 said:
You updated to a beta. It hasn’t shipped yet, hence why it’s not only a beta but a DEVELOPER beta. They have a feedback app for a reason, go use it. It made it to the first beta because Apple wanted input as to how to tie the design together (I assume, obviously none of us know).
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Devs aren’t too interested in how good or bad the system UI looks though, I assume. Surely some are because they want to have their apps look as „default“ as possible, like WhatsApp or Navigator (my public transit app of choice), but I believe most get a dev beta, especially an early one like this, to see how their apps tie into the system, their share sheet options, their control center toggles, their widgets, their notifications and so on.
But they can only really do that if the design is mostly finished.
Again, I’m assuming here.
Yes, Apple probably wants feedback on the design (through their official channels) from devs, but if the design is THE main new feature, Apple themselves should have figured that part out before giving any portion of the public access to it.
The dev beta is there for devs to make their apps work, the public beta is there for the „general public“ to point out any rough edges, that’s also why the dev beta releases a day before the public beta, except for when a new major version drops.
 
Parowdy said:
Devs aren’t too interested in how good or bad the system UI looks though, I assume. Surely some are because they want to have their apps look as „default“ as possible, like WhatsApp or Navigator (my public transit app of choice), but I believe most get a dev beta, especially an early one like this, to see how their apps tie into the system, their share sheet options, their control center toggles, their widgets, their notifications and so on.
But they can only really do that if the design is mostly finished.
Again, I’m assuming here.
Yes, Apple probably wants feedback on the design (through their official channels) from devs, but if the design is THE main new feature, Apple themselves should have figured that part out before giving any portion of the public access to it.
The dev beta is there for devs to make their apps work, the public beta is there for the „general public“ to point out any rough edges, that’s also why the dev beta releases a day before the public beta, except for when a new major version drops.
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Spot on! This is a developer beta, not a public beta.
 
I don´t know...
Back in 1998 I got my first PC and learned that the RGB color space can create 16,7 Mio colors.
I was stunned!
And now 27 years we end at Glass with not a single color? Feels wrong.

Last year I tested the tinted icons...and although most of my homescreen apps sit on the same place for years, there was this 1/10 sec to see it due the missing different colors.

For me colors are very important to navigate, recognize and work with apps, programs etc.

So going full glass: I don´t like it.
 
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Parowdy said:
I get that DB‘s always carry stability risks, but do you expect PB users to only run betas on secondary devices?
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This depends on the “maturity” of betas, skills of those users and the amount of time they are willing to spend rectifying potential problems with their devices.

Some people can roll back their malfunctioning gear to the previous steady OSs really quickly and independently, while others could feel completely lost and in a need of a detailed guidance (which is freely available on this very website and Apple’s own Beta portal, by the way).

So if you have enough time and desire, you can install it on everything you like, just be prepared for hiccups, especially in the early betas.

FWIW, I know how to roll back to iOS 18, but I just would not want to waste time on it in the summer, so I installed the first beta on my spare iPhone 11. All going well, I will then move my main devices to iOS 26 at around DB3 = PB1. By then any show-stopping bugs should be resolved. This is my preference, of course, and YMMV, but if you are an early jumper, just take some prep steps (full backups, etc.). Then nothing that may potentially go wrong will seem like a total disaster.
 
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Madonepro said:
Yep, trying to ignore all the 'vitriolic diatribe' being spouted, and reinforcing the message, that this is the first developer beta, not public, so if you are not a developer, I couldn't care less what your opinion, or position is on this beta, or the OS in general.
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Because I need to be a developer to have an opinion on a very controversial, not to say bad in parts, redesign, got it. You are right, I have zero business in getting hands-on time with what will eventually run on my device and forming an opinion that is anything but uncommon.
You can ignore my opinion and why I have it, you can't ignore that many people feel similar, even actual designers and developers.
 
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another important thing to remember is that even after the RC comes out, Apple won’t be done.
26.1 through 26.5 will all likely have Apple tweaking and tinkering with the design based on feedback, not to mention OS ‘27 which, likely with the full dump of Intel Macs and pre-A14 iPhones will likely focus a lot on clean-up.
I’d expect (and hope) that by 27.0 features like a manual transparency slider will be in the accessibility settings, for those who just need less of it, not none of it.
 
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Lounge vibes 05 said:
another important thing to remember is that even after the RC comes out, Apple won’t be done.
26.1 through 26.5 will all likely have Apple tweaking and tinkering with the design based on feedback, not to mention OS ‘27 which, likely with the full dump of Intel Macs and pre-A14 iPhones will likely focus a lot on clean-up.
I’d expect (and hope) that by 27.0 features like a manual transparency slider will be in the accessibility settings, for those who just need less of it, not none of it.
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Sounds like a good reason to skip 26.
 
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klasma said:
Sounds like a good reason to skip 26.
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Unfortunately some devices will be stuck with 26.
It’s always nice when a future version fixes an older ones issues. Expect for the people that will never get that fix, unless they replace their perfectly good devices. Like the iPhone X that never got the ability to change the lock screen controls while being the model that introduced them.
But yeah it seems like the real version to look forward to is next years release, unfortunately.
 
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Parowdy said:
Because I need to be a developer to have an opinion on a very controversial, not to say bad in parts, redesign, got it. You are right, I have zero business in getting hands-on time with what will eventually run on my device and forming an opinion that is anything but uncommon.
You can ignore my opinion and why I have it, you can't ignore that many people feel similar, even actual designers and developers.
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We are not hearing from developers, as the noise from elsewhere is deafening.
 
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Madonepro said:
We are not hearing from developers, as the noise from elsewhere is deafening.
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lol, just admit you’re not even trying to listen to anyone that doesn’t like it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932189570604437886

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932124696562061655

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932440758918746140

Of course there are also devs that like it, I’m not saying everyone hates it.

And like I said previously, the underlying technology seems incredible, but that doesn’t change how useful it is.
 
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Parowdy said:
lol, just admit you’re not even trying to listen to anyone that doesn’t like it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932189570604437886

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932124696562061655

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932440758918746140

Of course there are also devs that like it, I’m not saying everyone hates it.

And like I said previously, the underlying technology seems incredible, but that doesn’t change how useful it is.
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You don't get it do you? It's not that I'm not listening to those that don't like it, because those on here, who state a dislike, have admitted, in the main, that they are not developers. As far as I am concerned, their opinions are not worth listening to, Yet!
 
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I like what they are trying to do with liquid glass, but it needs to be toned down a bit. Apple has a lot of work to do on it by the time it's released.

Biggest improvement for me is wireless carplay on iOS 26 now works so much better and more reliably on my aftermarket pioneer head unit even on beta 1. On iOS 17 it was rock solid, never had a single disconnect, on 18 it's been a complete disaster. May connect and stay connected ok, but other times it would connect and then rapidly disconnect and reconnect in a second or two, could do that two to four times once the car was started and then it would be absolutely fine until the car is restarted.

So far it's been perfect, as they've been working on CarPlay for this release, they've finally fixed whatever was causing my issues. It would have only taken them a year to fix it by September.
 
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Madonepro said:
they are not developers. As far as I am concerned, their opinions are not worth listening to
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Developers have said it is pretty, it is pretty broken, and it is going to take a ton of work to stop their apps from looking like crap, which many won’t do and those who will are not even going to start until the fall because it is too unpolished to bother wasting time on right now.

Glad you think no one else’s opinions matter. Unfortunately I think Apple agrees with you and this mess will never get fixed. They have a very poor track record from iOS 16-18 to not listening to feedback and just forcing their design decisions down everyone’s throats. They just put out a beta every week or two, but no real issues ever get addressed, no feedback reports get responded to, and the OS just keeps becoming more and more broken.

The only deafening noise is that Apple needs to STOP and give us a year where they fix the bugs rather than give developers more work to do and frustrate users. Snow Leopard all the things!
 
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HouseLannister said:
Developers have said it is pretty, it is pretty broken, and it is going to take a ton of work to stop their apps from looking like crap, which many won’t do and those who will are not even going to start until the fall because it is too unpolished to bother wasting time on right now.

Glad you think no one else’s opinions matter. Unfortunately I think Apple agrees with you and this mess will never get fixed. They have a very poor track record from iOS 16-18 to not listening to feedback and just forcing their design decisions down everyone’s throats. They just put out a beta every week or two, but no real issues ever get addressed, no feedback reports get responded to, and the OS just keeps becoming more and more broken.

The only deafening noise is that Apple needs to STOP and give us a year where they fix the bugs rather than give developers more work to do and frustrate users. Snow Leopard all the things!
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I notice, when you refer to developers, you do it as a third party, so I assume you are not one either. Discuss it all you like, but the point that a lot of us are trying to make, is this is a beta 1, and is not for anyone but developers. It won't reflect the final product, despite all the negative naysayers, who couldn't develop an idea amongst themselves.
I don't know why you and others bother to come into macrumors, or buy apple products, when you seem to have nothing but negativity towards them, and the company that makes them.
 
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