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juukdesign

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Jun 27, 2015
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Thanks aduteau! I'd better quit the self-promotion here though :) ...I already received a warning from the moderators about posting my link...which I understand and think is fair. I appreciate your help though!

Hmmm...I can't seem to find it. Was it under the Apple Watch subsection?
 

aduteau

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Oct 14, 2007
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Haha, thanks...I wished for that too! They weren't interested. :-| It's understandable though, we're just another brand who thinks we have something special, but they get bombarded with these requests daily so it's no big deal to them.

Its still pending to be approved by the admins on the forums
 

Jmona

macrumors 6502a
May 6, 2015
575
660
Hi Phil, I can't argue with you there. I had already made prototypes of the 38mm Revo as well...but struggled with the decision on whether to launch them at the same time, based on these unconfirmed analyst reports. I decided not to because with a different size, it would be another minimum order quantity for me that the factory will request, so I didn't want to add to my target funding by 50% just to break-even...I felt that $100K was way too high of a goal. But I did want to though, and there are some photos of the 38mm polished Revo on my website actually.

Thanks Eugene for being so straight forward providing information that is both reliable and very on point.
Much like others here, I'm one of the early adopters who much to my disappointment feel cheated by apple because I'd like to see a Leather Loop for my 38mm watch. When I saw your links I was excited but then I realized that you too had left us out as well.
You may already know this, here in this forums I've seen just as many men going for the 38mm watch as the 42mm. And then there are tomboys women like me that are feminine women but have enough attitude to rock a nice style manly band.
The fact that our options for good links and other bands to match our watches continue to narrow is even more disappointing and that is why we pretty much rely on third party manufacturer/sellers to cook something up for the rest of us that are left out.
Having said that I do hope you reconsider making the 38mm Revo. Once you do that, I'll give you my money. Other than that I'll continue looking where to invest on another good project that brings both prototypes to the table.
Thanks for hearing me out.
 
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batristain

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Sep 15, 2014
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Thanks Eugene for being so straight forward providing information that is both reliable and very on point.
Much like others here, I'm one of the early adopters who much to my disappointment feel cheated by apple because I'd like to see a Leather Loop for my 38mm watch. When I saw your links I was excited but then I realized that you too had left us out as well.
You may already know this, here in this forums I've seen just as many men going for the 38mm watch as the 42mm. And then there are tomboys women like me that are feminine women but have enough attitude to rock a nice style manly band.
The fact that our options for good links and other bands to match our watches continue to narrow is even more disappointing and that is why we pretty much rely on third party manufacturer/sellers to cook something up for the rest of us that are left out.
Having said that I do hope you reconsider making the 38mm Revo. Once you do that, I'll give you my money. Other than that I'll continue looking where to invest on another good project that brings both prototypes to the table.
Thanks for hearing me out.

I'm with Jmona - I have a 38MM and would love a polished SS band like you have on your site. I hope you are successful and decide to include the 38 MM - you would definitely get my money. :)

Cheers!
 
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juukdesign

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Jun 27, 2015
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Thanks Eugene for being so straight forward providing information that is both reliable and very on point.
Much like others here, I'm one of the early adopters who much to my disappointment feel cheated by apple because I'd like to see a Leather Loop for my 38mm watch. When I saw your links I was excited but then I realized that you too had left us out as well.
You may already know this, here in this forums I've seen just as many men going for the 38mm watch as the 42mm. And then there are tomboys women like me that are feminine women but have enough attitude to rock a nice style manly band.
The fact that our options for good links and other bands to match our watches continue to narrow is even more disappointing and that is why we pretty much rely on third party manufacturer/sellers to cook something up for the rest of us that are left out.
Having said that I do hope you reconsider making the 38mm Revo. Once you do that, I'll give you my money. Other than that I'll continue looking where to invest on another good project that brings both prototypes to the table.
Thanks for hearing me out.

Hi Jmona, thanks for writing. I completely understand where you're coming from and that's why I did develop the 38mm prototypes; it was just a very last minute decision not to launch those based on those analysts' estimates. It was a tough decision because I had already spent the money on the samples as well as the 38mm Watch. I'm not trying to convince you to back my campaign at this point because we don't have the 38mm to offer, but I did toy with the idea that IF we were successful and I could then offer the 38mm for the same Dec timeframe on our website, that I'd try to do some kind of sizable discount so as not to be unfair about it. It was just a business/numbers decision for me and definitely not discriminatory (and I know you're not saying that it was)! I also have some interesting design ideas for the 38mm Watch that I wouldn't be able to do for the 42mm to make it even more unique...but those are just in the design stages at this point.
 

juukdesign

macrumors newbie
Jun 27, 2015
24
26
Hong Kong
Thanks to everyone for the messages and ideas here...I've been warned a 2nd time by the moderators that I'm not allowed to talk about my product at all...so I don't think I'll be able to reply here. If you'd like to reach me with any questions, I should be pretty easy to find (I can't post any links here either). I'd like to play by their rules and not get banned.
 
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Phil Holland

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Jun 7, 2011
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Hi Jmona, thanks for writing. I completely understand where you're coming from and that's why I did develop the 38mm prototypes; it was just a very last minute decision not to launch those based on those analysts' estimates. It was a tough decision because I had already spent the money on the samples as well as the 38mm Watch. I'm not trying to convince you to back my campaign at this point because we don't have the 38mm to offer, but I did toy with the idea that IF we were successful and I could then offer the 38mm for the same Dec timeframe on our website, that I'd try to do some kind of sizable discount so as not to be unfair about it. It was just a business/numbers decision for me and definitely not discriminatory (and I know you're not saying that it was)! I also have some interesting design ideas for the 38mm Watch that I wouldn't be able to do for the 42mm to make it even more unique...but those are just in the design stages at this point.

If you want to sell one of those prototypes send me a PM;)
 

vanz

macrumors newbie
Mar 20, 2012
26
1
Darn...I was going to back up the project, but then didn't see 38mm as an option.
 

demeetreee

macrumors newbie
May 27, 2015
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Juukdesign: You might not be able to reply to this thread - I now that. But I wanted to give you a suggestion anyways...
I am aware of the difficulties in producing a space gray/ silver link band for the sport watch owners, but have you heard the news? We are many ;-)
If you are one of the first to bring a link bracelet for the sport owners to the market, you win. From my observations only, people are just furiously waiting to shove their money into the guy's pocket who produces the first reasonable priced link bracelet for a sport watch. That, and a color matching milanese as well.. PLEASE HELP US =)

EDIT: Have I mentioned that your design is fantastic? ;-) Especially dig the one-piece-adaptors, which do not utilize that ugly pipe construction or that spring-bar type..
 
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juukdesign

macrumors newbie
Jun 27, 2015
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Hong Kong
Juukdesign: You might not be able to reply to this thread - I now that. But I wanted to give you a suggestion anyways...
I am aware of the difficulties in producing a space gray/ silver link band for the sport watch owners, but have you heard the news? We are many ;-)
If you are one of the first to bring a link bracelet for the sport owners to the market, you win. From my observations only, people are just furiously waiting to shove their money into the guy's pocket who produces the first reasonable link bracelet for a sport watch. That, and a color matching milanese as well.. PLEASE HELP US =)

Working on it. ;-)
 

Jmona

macrumors 6502a
May 6, 2015
575
660
Thanks to everyone for the messages and ideas here...I've been warned a 2nd time by the moderators that I'm not allowed to talk about my product at all...so I don't think I'll be able to reply here. If you'd like to reach me with any questions, I should be pretty easy to find (I can't post any links here either). I'd like to play by their rules and not get banned.

I back Phil Holland on this If you want volunteers to buy your protos, I volunteer as tribute. :p
 

juukdesign

macrumors newbie
Jun 27, 2015
24
26
Hong Kong
Juukdesign: You might not be able to reply to this thread - I now that. But I wanted to give you a suggestion anyways...
I am aware of the difficulties in producing a space gray/ silver link band for the sport watch owners, but have you heard the news? We are many ;-)
If you are one of the first to bring a link bracelet for the sport owners to the market, you win. From my observations only, people are just furiously waiting to shove their money into the guy's pocket who produces the first reasonable priced link bracelet for a sport watch. That, and a color matching milanese as well.. PLEASE HELP US =)

EDIT: Have I mentioned that your design is fantastic? ;-) Especially dig the one-piece-adaptors, which do not utilize that ugly pipe construction or that spring-bar type..

Thanks...I appreciate the compliment and am happy to read that you like what I'm trying to do!
 

soya

macrumors 6502
Jul 30, 2010
433
106
I back Phil Holland on this If you want volunteers to buy your protos, I volunteer as tribute. :p

I'd definitely buy a contrast band proto haha (or a special discount for being the one that proposed the idea? :D Let me dream!)
 

juukdesign

macrumors newbie
Jun 27, 2015
24
26
Hong Kong
Are you planning on making an aluminum version of the revo to match the sport watches?

Hi mostlydave, I'm not allowed to answer anything here relating to my product as per the forum guidelines, but there's a thread on Reddit where I can openly discuss this and have been doing so with other forum members. I can answer you there or you can also reach out to me via my contact details in my campaign. And sorry, I'm also not allowed to post that link again but you should be able to find it.
 

riam

macrumors regular
May 7, 2010
110
4
Mty, Mexico
Helo juukdesign, i have one question, do you have a picture of how the Revo Brushed or the matte look in the sport space grey model, or do you have a black option, i want to back the campaign, but i have a space grey watch and i would like to see that combination
 

juukdesign

macrumors newbie
Jun 27, 2015
24
26
Hong Kong
Helo juukdesign, i have one question, do you have a picture of how the Revo Brushed or the matte look in the sport space grey model, or do you have a black option, i want to back the campaign, but i have a space grey watch and i would like to see that combination

Hi riam, I'm not allowed to talk about my product here as per the forum rules...but if you send me a message via my campaign, I can answer you there. Thanks!
 
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RobertNYC

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May 4, 2015
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NYC
It is refreshing the Eugene is so open and honest. I just backed the Locarno Brushed based on his posts alone. I hope he gets funded.
 
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juukdesign

macrumors newbie
Jun 27, 2015
24
26
Hong Kong
It is refreshing the Eugene is so open and honest. I just backed the Locarno Brushed based on his posts alone. I hope he gets funded.

Hi Robert, thanks so much for your support! I'm just trying to build some great products at reasonable prices and to run an honest business. If I can succeed then we all win. :)
 

aduteau

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Original poster
Oct 14, 2007
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hummm just got this announcement from the Indiegogo of JUUK

The ‘JUUK Premium Apple Watch Bracelets’ team just posted:

2 new Announcements:

UPDATE #1 - July 1, 2015

We've updated the gallery to include some much-requested photos of these steel bracelets with the Apple Watch Sport. Because of the colour temperature differences between the different metals, they won't match up exactly. Having said that, the polished bracelets are the closest match and provide a very nice contrast to the matte aluminum finish.

We're working on getting an accurate Space Grey match in the coming week so stay tuned! We've had so many requests for this...so we're doing our best to meet this demand.

Update #2 - July 9, 2015

We've renegotiated a lower minimum order quantity with the factory, so we're working with Indiegogo on lowering the target funding amount so that it's more reachable (usually this change isn't allowed after the campaign starts). We're also in the process of trying to lower it even further but I'm still negotiating this with Indiegogo because it's something they don't normally allow.
I expect to get the gunmetal plated matte samples back next Monday (July 13th) for all you Space Grey Sport owners out there, so stay tuned. I hope to get the images up as soon as I get the samples




Looks like they are fine tuning their aim for the founding !!! Hope it helps
 
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mcdj

macrumors G3
Jul 10, 2007
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The bracelets are easily the nicest 3rd party ones so far. But either the lead time is too long, or there simply aren't as many SS Apple Watch owners out there as we'd like to believe.

In NYC, as soon as something new from Apple hits, the streets are crawling with early adopters. With the launch issues of the Watch, it took a little longer than usual, but now I see people with the watch every day. But 99% of them have the Sport...not a bracelet maker's target audience.

So if Apple has sold 2 million watches combined, and NYC sightings are any kind of barometer, then maybe there are only about 20,000 people with the steel watch.

If you can get all 20,000 of them to buy your bracelet, great. But you can't. My guess is a lot of the people who spent nearly double on the steel version also had enough disposable income to spring for Apple's bracelet. That leaves you with maybe 10,000 potential customers. But you won't get all of that business either.

If you did, at $100 a pop, 10,000 units is $1 million gross. Not bad for a few months' work for a couple of guys, as long as staff is small and production/shipping costs are low. But you gotta get this stuff to market sooner than later, or you will lose the momentum of the eager owner of a shiny toy who wants all the accessories.
 
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nicho

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The bracelets are easily the nicest 3rd party ones so far. But either the lead time is too long, or there simply aren't as many SS Apple Watch owners out there as we'd like to believe.

In NYC, where as soon as something new from Apple hits, the streets are crawling with early adopters. With the launch issues of the Watch, it took a little longer than usual, but now I see people with the watch every day. But 99% of them have the Sport...not a bracelet maker's target audience.

So if Apple has sold 2 million watches combined, and NYC sightings are any kind of barometer, then maybe there are only about 20,000 people with the steel watch.

If you can get all 20,000 of them to buy your bracelet, great. But you can't. My guess is a lot of the people who spent nearly double on the steel version also had enough disposable income to spring for Apple's bracelet. That leaves you with maybe 10,000 potential customers. But you won't get all of that business either.

If you did, at $100 a pop, 10,000 units is $1 million gross. Not bad for a few months work for a couple of guy, as long as staff is small and production/shipping costs are low. But you gotta get this stuff to market sooner than later, or you will lose the momentum of the eager owner of a shiny toy who wants all the accessories.

i think there's a few bad assumptions here. aren't sales estimated at 2.8m in the US alone? there's other countries in the world too.

as for the ratios, i've seen 12 apple watches here in China, outside of mine and my wife's. I remember every one of them (because since I got my apple watch, i've become a bit of a watch freak and look at basically everybody's. horologist in the making, perhaps)

of those 12, i've seen 8 sport watches. 6 of them were blue sports bands, one white and a space grey. 3 were apple watches, 2 of them milanese loop and one a black sport band. and the final one was an edition, with the black classic buckle. if i take that as a representative sample, one in 12 watches are editions...

the bigger problem [represented on these forums] is the choice to go with 42mm only for the first wave because of a perceived bigger market, when from the posts on here it seems a lot of the people swooning over them have 38mm watches.
 
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