With the new Microsoft iMac killer (Studio Surface) and no updates to iMac or Mac Pro, I expect a massive diaspora to Windows, HP Z workstations, Linux, and Hackintosh.
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It is extremely difficult for me to believe that there would two different back to back Mac events, only one month apart.
And Tim talking about going into the holiday season with this lineup sure doesn't sound like anything else will be added
Ha! Ha! Us Apple users are like Cubs fans… Always hopeful even though our day never comes.
Oh, wait a sec…
And January, and February, and March...
Each person has to decide how long they are willing to wait and more importantly, how they want to deal with potentially this same issue in the future.
Well, its not November yet, but I don't think very many are expecting any more product release events in the near future--or new products without events, so maybe its safe for me to say that the majority of votes went to the 'no announcement' option in my poll, so the majority of the folks here are better at predicting apple behavior than I was. Is it safe to say the speculation is over?
I guess I had already made my plans assuming that either there would be no announcement, or any new mac pro would either be a trash can or be too expensive for me. I have three mac pros at home, trying to sell one of them, so I plan to simply stick to el cap and use them until I can't keep them going anymore--then a hack? I am using it for the usual email, but also logic and fcp--and compared to windows products doing the same thing, these are a pretty good bargain. So, I can keep on keeping on whether apple does or not. Thanks all!
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Keep on keepin on! We'll see, but I am guessing this thread is fried and most folks consider Elvis to have left the building.
I guess I had already made my plans assuming that either there would be no announcement, or any new mac pro would either be a trash can or be too expensive for me. I have three mac pros at home, trying to sell one of them, so I plan to simply stick to el cap and use them until I can't keep them going anymore--then a hack? I am using it for the usual email, but also logic and fcp--and compared to windows products doing the same thing, these are a pretty good bargain. So, I can keep on keeping on whether apple does or not. Thanks all!
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Keep on keepin on! We'll see, but I am guessing this thread is fried and most folks consider Elvis to have left the building.
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Seems a bit premature to proclaim that. You can still get an iMac at a much lower price point, so unless you really want a computer with a 28" touch interface then the iMac is more suited to the masses.
Bets aren't decided until December 1st. That's all I'm saying. I'm expecting fog and uncertainty, myself.
I'm expecting the announcement of a special emoji edition iMac in the upcoming months.
I'm expecting the replacement of the apple logo with a similar emoji , a new status for the company.
He left and on his way out he got hit by the door and then run over by Tim's Apple car.
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I think the main market for the Surface Studio is the creatives who would normally gravitate to a tablet or Cintiq. It was a smart move considering Apple is abandoning creatives. HP is courting them and now Microsoft.
Amid being forced to use Windows 10, Linux or violate the law and have zero support? I don't think so.
Is there a hackintosh implementation for the hp z workstations? My understanding, admittedly limited as it is, is that the hack firmware patching only works by emulating an imac running a non-xeon chip--no 'mac pro' hack being available. Or is the z workstation simply the cmp equivalent for windows in people's minds? Just trying to learn from other's thinking here.
From what I am seeing, its clear that most mac pro users are looking into a desktop future where apple is not viable at some point. I think apple has sort of broken the back of the expectation that they will continue to have competitive desktops going forward. Even if they do some limited refresh of the trash can later this year, they have created enough uncertainty that many will choose to move on rather than deal with the uncertainty. A seed being planted--and nurtured by apple!
While I think I have a few years, my killer apps on mac are logic and fcpx. I have been researching other options, especially programs that have solid mac and windows implementations. I don't see linux has having viable offerings in these functional areas, though that may change in the future. I figure I have mac pro hardware good for another 5 years easy, but nonetheless keeping an eye open for the next steps after that.
My survey options in the original post had a number of sensible options for apple beyond simply letting the desktop market migrate to other vendors. Teaming with hp to develop a mac pro z being a not the least among them. The strategic options for a business seeking to exit an underperforming product line or market segment are the same for most businesses, but obviously the longer they wait to decide, the less attractive any option is--due to users migrating away while apple executives wring hands and dabble in entirely new product areas they have absolutely no knowledge of, like driverless cars.
I have seen many cash-rich companies lose fortunes when executives seek the next great growth product--and yes, they do have a duty to pursue continued growth. People who administer an almost monopolistic cash cow with a market-dominating product that is running out of growth potential get sort of fat and happy and overestimate their skills. When they try to compete in new markets, they are at a bit of a disadvantage compared to entrepreneurs who have been nimble enough to compete without a dominant market position. Look at how microsoft has fumbled whenever it tries to enter a market that doesn't involve windows as an anchor.
From what I am seeing, its clear that most mac pro users are looking into a desktop future where apple is not viable at some point. I think apple has sort of broken the back of the expectation that they will continue to have competitive desktops going forward. Even if they do some limited refresh of the trash can later this year, they have created enough uncertainty that many will choose to move on rather than deal with the uncertainty. A seed being planted--and nurtured by apple!
While I think I have a few years, my killer apps on mac are logic and fcpx. I have been researching other options, especially programs that have solid mac and windows implementations. I don't see linux has having viable offerings in these functional areas, though that may change in the future. I figure I have mac pro hardware good for another 5 years easy, but nonetheless keeping an eye open for the next steps after that.
My survey options in the original post had a number of sensible options for apple beyond simply letting the desktop market migrate to other vendors. Teaming with hp to develop a mac pro z being a not the least among them. The strategic options for a business seeking to exit an underperforming product line or market segment are the same for most businesses, but obviously the longer they wait to decide, the less attractive any option is--due to users migrating away while apple executives wring hands and dabble in entirely new product areas they have absolutely no knowledge of, like driverless cars.
I have seen many cash-rich companies lose fortunes when executives seek the next great growth product--and yes, they do have a duty to pursue continued growth. People who administer an almost monopolistic cash cow with a market-dominating product that is running out of growth potential get sort of fat and happy and overestimate their skills. When they try to compete in new markets, they are at a bit of a disadvantage compared to entrepreneurs who have been nimble enough to compete without a dominant market position. Look at how microsoft has fumbled whenever it tries to enter a market that doesn't involve windows as an anchor.
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I agree. Very few know there is even a distinction between criminal and civil law. I recall all the retail sales types who have been trained that taking a return on software is 'against the law'....
In any case, this whole philosophical discussion has been hashed out countless times on countless forums. As a practical matter, I see no evidence that apple has any interest in hassling individuals that build hacks, nor do they go after the website that provides said software. If a pc company started putting out models that were completely apple ready including efi that would not require a patch from tonymac, I would be surprised if apple did not go after them, though.
But I sympathize with the poster who resents apple letting things get to the point where a hack is one of the better options.
This indulgent attitude may be part of apple's disinterest in the whole thing--or they are waiting to see how much interest exists for a non-apple platform for osx. Hack users do have the potential for purchasing apple products for their hacks, so apple is only losing out on a hardware sale--which we see they are not terribly interested in.
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Is there a hackintosh implementation for the hp z workstations? My understanding, admittedly limited as it is, is that the hack firmware patching only works by emulating an imac running a non-xeon chip--no 'mac pro' hack being available. Or is the z workstation simply the cmp equivalent for windows in people's minds? Just trying to learn from other's thinking here.
From what I am seeing, its clear that most mac pro users are looking into a desktop future where apple is not viable at some point. I think apple has sort of broken the back of the expectation that they will continue to have competitive desktops going forward. Even if they do some limited refresh of the trash can later this year, they have created enough uncertainty that many will choose to move on rather than deal with the uncertainty. A seed being planted--and nurtured by apple!
While I think I have a few years, my killer apps on mac are logic and fcpx. I have been researching other options, especially programs that have solid mac and windows implementations. I don't see linux has having viable offerings in these functional areas, though that may change in the future. I figure I have mac pro hardware good for another 5 years easy, but nonetheless keeping an eye open for the next steps after that.
My survey options in the original post had a number of sensible options for apple beyond simply letting the desktop market migrate to other vendors. Teaming with hp to develop a mac pro z being a not the least among them. The strategic options for a business seeking to exit an underperforming product line or market segment are the same for most businesses, but obviously the longer they wait to decide, the less attractive any option is--due to users migrating away while apple executives wring hands and dabble in entirely new product areas they have absolutely no knowledge of, like driverless cars.
I have seen many cash-rich companies lose fortunes when executives seek the next great growth product--and yes, they do have a duty to pursue continued growth. People who administer an almost monopolistic cash cow with a market-dominating product that is running out of growth potential get sort of fat and happy and overestimate their skills. When they try to compete in new markets, they are at a bit of a disadvantage compared to entrepreneurs who have been nimble enough to compete without a dominant market position. Look at how microsoft has fumbled whenever it tries to enter a market that doesn't involve windows as an anchor.
dude, I switched to Windows: I didn't die. It'll be okay. I run an HP Z840 (Z820 before that) and it runs fine, quiet, and doesn't get in the way: I forget that it's there. Dell Precision workstations are, in my opinion, better for Apple users who switch. Dell offers a driver update program running in the background so everything is automatic. The freedom that one experiences in the PC world to upgrade, to have the best hardware, to have so much choice - it's amazing. I'm currently thinking about buying a Sager laptop with dual GTX 1080s in SLI with a desktop CPU clocked to 4.5GHz. I intend to upgrade the CPU (just drop it in) with a 10 core CPU. The sky's the limit.
Thanks for your comforting reassurances. Since I have been using windows since version 3.0, use it at work, and support windows servers for a living, I was relatively confident that death wasn't one of the potential outcomes.
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Relative to my survey, one of the potential options that never occurred to me was that apple would attempt to move back off the intel chip for its desktop products. I think its a pipe dream if they think they will beat intel in the high end of the cpu market, but they might have their own views on the subject. Anyway Tom's Hardware discussed this as a rumor floating around, so just another bone in the stewpot.
Well, Power9 could be an option (incredible unlikely, like unfathomly(?) unlikely), its open for licensing and the part that Apple would like: they are allowed to modify the chip and maybe even cheaper than Intels offering, especially on the top end of the performance spectrum. It seem to be a pretty good chip and it seem to be a movement (or diversity of supplied chip makers) from Intel, one of the biggest players are Google and they have shown the Google Zaius server running the P9 chip and Google have changed their software stack to be able to run on the Power architecture.
Would Apple move back to Power? A new PowerMac, nPM I really don't think they would but yeah, just talking about options.
Would Apple move back to Power? A new PowerMac, nPM
I really don't think they would but yeah, just talking about options.