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I can see that. Yet… I’m consistently MORE excited about the iPad evolution at any Apple event. There’s this prevailing line of thinking that the iPad has to ‘catch up’ with the laptop. I’m just not sold on this idea. I’m coming from a “desert island” perspective. If I had to choose ONE, time and again it would be the iPad. While it may not compete with the laptop (on the laptop level, which again, I think is unfair, but understandable) the very nature of the iPad brings about more “excitement” (to me at least).
I fully "get" (as in, understand) why you may find laptops "boring" and the iPad world "exciting".

That does beg the question of whether it is "excitement" (expressed in tech innovation) that you crave, or that you admire/like what Apple has to offer in the world of the iPad?

But, again, I must ask, isn't there room for both?

They fulfill different needs, and I would hate to have to belong to a binary, monochrome, world where one could avail of a choice of only one or the other.

As for excitement, (and I get excited about Mozart) I haven't been "excited" by a computer since the late Mr Jobs removed that first MBA from an envelope.

Now, I used to be an historian by profession, (and I taught Renaissance and Reformation history for several years at university) so, I have long accepted (acknowledged) that this tech revolution is as least as revolutionary and transformational as the introduction of printing, moveable type and paper to the "early modern" world of Europe, five hundred years ago. That means I fully recognise the extraordinary - world-changing - nature of what we are living through, and experiencing, and I am awed by it.

However, the revelation of that first MBA was (with the exception of the iPod - I love music) the only time I can admit to a stupefied - and silenced, awestruck - feeling of what you would recognise as that quivering sense of electrified excitement on the unveiling of a new product in the tech world.

For, I marvelled at that first MBA, and swore to myself that - before long - I would have one. And I did. And loved it.
 
I saw that midnight today and I was actually not as thrilled as I thought I would be. I think I’m in camp starlight. It wasn’t about the fingerprints (and there were many) but more that it was a niche color of a certain time. The Starlight seems more timeless as far as colors go. And the M1 Pros are standard space grey etc. but given the choice, I’d take the traditional space or silver M1 any day for the specs.
I like the new midnight and starlight color and folks will always gush over what is new and novel. However, space gray (on my 16") has surprised me in ways I could not have imagined after having Silver for 12 years. It is the best of all color worlds, sleek, stealthy, and modern (especially with the new form factor) without being too loud/flashy about it...I love the way it changes color in different lighting, as it can appear black to silver to blue gray. With that said, you really can't go wrong with any of these colors.
 
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and then there’s this practical perspective
I watched that earlier. Drew brings up decent points but I definitely don’t agree with him on some of them with various videos. Like most YouTubers, they think mostly in terms of video production, which, is fine. It’s sort of the bane of “reviews” and opinions on YT… 90% seem to come from the perspective of “my channel”.
We get it. FCP and Premiere. Most are pushing the new Air into territory it wasn’t probably designed for (although can somewhat handle). This is why I don’t take many YT reviews too much to heart anymore. All their testing is this cyclical thing about “The Channel”. :-/
 
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@Scepticalscribe Well. The feeling of boredom comes from a gut reaction. It really wasn’t about getting into the weeds about which performs better than the other etc. Theres been a lot of hype around the new Macbook Air recently both positive and negative. So, maybe it was also being built up a lot in my brain. So when I saw it in person (next to a Macbook 14” Pro) I was like, “oh… right… it’s a laptop… like every other laptop”. And the hype balloon deflated.
I can’t really say that about the iPad mostly because there isn’t anything close (Samsung kinda sorta maybe not really) and it bounced me back to feeling like the iPad was something special. And the laptop was just… thinner.
In the end, what is boring? (aside from my posts obviously).
It’s ALL subjective.
It was an instant gut response from being around this stuff and realizing I don’t want that 30+ legacy anymore.
 
I fully "get" (as in, understand) why you may find laptops "boring" and the iPad world "exciting".

That does beg the question of whether it is "excitement" (expressed in tech innovation) that you crave, or that you admire/like what Apple has to offer in the world of the iPad?

But, again, I must ask, isn't there room for both?

They fulfill different needs, and I would hate to have to belong to a binary, monochrome, world where one could avail of a choice of only one or the other.

As for excitement, (and I get excited about Mozart) I haven't been "excited" by a computer since the late Mr Jobs removed that first MBA from an envelope.

Now, I used to be an historian by profession, (and I taught Renaissance and Reformation history for several years at university) so, I have long accepted (acknowledged) that this tech revolution is as least as revolutionary and transformational as the introduction of printing, moveable type and paper to the "early modern" world of Europe, five hundred years ago. That means I fully recognise the extraordinary - world-changing - nature of what we are living through, and experiencing, and I am awed by it.

However, the revelation of that first MBA was (with the exception of the iPod - I love music) the only time I can admit to a stupefied - and silenced, awestruck - feeling of what you would recognise as that quivering sense of electrified excitement on the unveiling of a new product in the tech world.

For, I marvelled at that first MBA, and swore to myself that - before long - I would have one. And I did. And loved it.

This is such a wonderful way of thinking about technology, and the awe that comes from it. I felt very similarly about the original MBA (pull it out of an envelope — just unbelievable!). Over the last years, however, I have somewhat lost that awe. Perhaps it lies in the iterative nature of product design in tech these days (of course, it always has, but nowadays iPhone releases are just that). The “next big thing” is still a little away, and I sometimes wonder whether I will ever again feel the way I felt the day I saw the first MBA and “its” envelope.

That said, I do agree with OP @BB1970 wholeheartedly. I have actually felt very similarly about laptops for a while. I am quite surprised that the general design of laptops has not changed significantly. I saw the comment above mentioning that the design “just works for most people” — and, I guess, I am a little disappointed as I never felt like it worked for me. Having the keyboard connected to the screen seems awfully restrictive. Hands are bound to be close to the display. A laptop really is trying to be the portable all-in-one device, but I wonder whether there aren’t other portable and just as capable solutions.

I do see that there is a space for laptops, and for people who want and need them. But I am surprised that there is no competition to laptops that attempt to be equally powerful. Of course, Surfaces exist, but they look and feel like an afterthought to me. (I have used them a handful of times, and the experience is not ideal in my view. They are not bad devices, just not for me.)

I am typing this from an iPad Air with a Magic Keyboard, which has been my combination of choice for a while. Until now that I just got a new Starlight MBA (OP, it’s a really nice colour!). There were things I wanted to do that my iPad couldn’t. Neither is perfect for how I would like to work, but both together are pretty good.

Finally, I do not share the old-school mentality of “computers must be open, accessible, and fully customizable”. I couldn’t care less whether my macOS menu bar is black, white, blue, or Naples yellow. I don’t need to install apps just to see how hot my processor runs. If there’s one thing I don’t want then it is thinking about computers like cars, that need servicing all the time. The iPad was made for people like me in that regard — but it is just a little too limited in other ways.

I wouldn’t know what my ideal device would like — but if there was a company I’d trust to come up with something new, and truly exciting, then it would be Apple.
 
I’ve watched exactly zero YouTube videos about laptops.

I bought an m2 air because I need a laptop for my job, and the m2 air is the best fit. I don’t need to do any video editing. I don’t need to do any gaming on it.

I need to write.

A lot.

I wrote ~10k words last week. I average 10–20k per week.

So I need a good keyboard.

I need to do research.

A lot.

Today I had over 40 articles open from google scholar, some downloaded to PDF and opened in preview, others just in separate tabs.

I also need to be able to move around and be mobile. That means a light laptop with a good battery.

I could have bought a MacBook Pro. I didn’t because it would be a poor fit for my needs. Heavier, louder, more computer than I am likely to use.

I could have bought an M1 Air. I didn’t because it makes no sense to buy last year’s model unless one is resource-constrained, and I am not.

I bought an M2 and it so far has handled everything I have thrown at it without breaking a sweat and without getting more than very slightly warmer than ambient temperature, even while I was simultaneously downloading Scrivener, Omnigraffle, Affinity Designer, and Xcode (I still tinker with code sometimes).

Your mileage may vary, and your needs are not my needs and that’s ok.

But this is a phenomenal laptop. And that’s why I bought it.
How much RAM and storage did you buy? Just curious.
 
Both a laptop and a tablet are tools to get some job done, and some jobs get better done on one vs the other.

Sure, laptops from 30 years ago had a screen and a keyboard on a hinge, no mouse/touchpad, so not a whole lot has changed from that perspective - but guess what, when you visit Costco in 20 years from now, and assuming they still sell tablets, those tablets will look the same, screen only and you might have the same feeling then about tablets - boring
 
Using the baseball analogy, I’d rather watch the game where they swing for the fences, even if they only get base hits. it’s sort of the premise of the thread, laptops are the games where they only bunt for base hits.
Hence, laptops are boring (just writing it feels like I’m asking for it).
Maybe the crux of the conversation is what justifies “better”?
Your mom for example (probably) uses the iPad more than the MacBook?
Is that the metric for better? To me it sort of is. (I’m assuming she uses the iPad more by how it was worded.. as in the MacBook is used to something when the iPad can’t). Isn't that the proverbial triple play here, just short of a home run?
Apple hit a home run on the 2021 MacBook Pro. No replay needed there; the ball clearly went over the fence. The 2022 MacBook Air was a triple & would have been a home run but not for the pricing & lame 256 GB SSD speed. See, Mac laptops are not boring. PC laptops on the other hand... with the possible exception of the Dell XPS 13 Plus. Companies are struggling to find an edge to compete with Apple silicon.

My mom loves her iPad. She uses it 90% of the time. She lives up to Steve Jobs' car vs. trucks analogy relative to iPads vs. notebooks. She even does stock trades on the iPad. But she also has a cheap-o Asus Chromebook that came as part of her trading group & she uses for trading too (she uses the iPad, her iPhone, and the Chromebook all at the same time while trading). She doesn't know how to use all of these devices well though. On the iPad she doesn't know how to get to certain areas, like notifications, doesn't get gestures, and is lost when it comes to system settings — which is when I usually get the call, "Ohhhh Dave...."

Don't get me wrong, I like the iPad. And may buy one when M2 comes the Pros. Apple has neat accessory tie-in features for Mac like universal control & side car. But for now a MacBook is front & center for me. And I know I'm not speaking alone in that sentiment.
 
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Sometimes there is just a general form factor that is ideal for 99% of use-cases.

Example: Commercial and passenger planes are still the offspring of WWII era bomber plane designs…because it works. Everything “under the hood” is dramatically different, but the form factor is still essentially the same thing refined along the way.

Sure, allegedly “wing type” planes are in development, but that still means a 70+ year run with a form factor…because it suits the overwhelming variety of needs.

The iPad, on the other hand IS a new product category (relatively speaking), not meant to specifically replace a laptop (though for many, many people it will fit their needs, but they may be turned off by the form factor).
Agreed, and very well said.

And the internal combustion engine and the great many vehicles it gave rise to are surprisingly unchanged from the world of - a world transformed by - the extraordinary inventions of Karl Benz and Gottlieb Daimler in the 1880s, all of a hundred and forty years ago.
 
@DHagan4755 That Dell looks ok, but it’s a performance and battery fail. I just watched some comparison to the new air and it was embarrassing. Nice minimalist idea though.
Sound like your mom though could be 100% iPad. The things she thinks she’s missing is just a little deeper knowledge of device usage itself. I will say Apple could and should make things a little more clear about some gestures and such, so I get why people don’t know of them. My girlfriend falls into this category and I find myself explaining things a lot too. They know what they know and being bothered beyond what’s needed at hand is a rabbit hole.
That said, she still prefers it over a laptop or desktop because it’s more comfortable generally to use and “converts” to anything, anywhere easier. Even a laptop on a couch or bed, one has to be propped up to use.
Hope ya end up getting the 12.9 M2
Thats definitely my next (Apple) tech purchase
 
by side, literally. I’m always in low key awe when I see the iPad with it’s glorious 12.9 mini LED screen as compared to the MacBook Air,
The 14" MBP and 16" MBP have mini LED screens as well and have speakers that are much better than iPad Pro. The MBA should be compared to the iPad Air.
 
I don’t know what you’re expecting but these devices are tools. It just happens to be that the tablet is a different type of tool that is more modern as it’s been around less time. One word of advice, if you do purchase the iPad Pro M2, know what you want to use it for. I ended up selling mine for a laptop as I found it didn’t meet my long term needs. Ask yourself, not what’s fun, but what’s the right tool for the trade.
 
I don’t know what you’re expecting but these devices are tools. It just happens to be that the tablet is a different type of tool that is more modern as it’s been around less time. One word of advice, if you do purchase the iPad Pro M2, know what you want to use it for. I ended up selling mine for a laptop as I found it didn’t meet my long term needs. Ask yourself, not what’s fun, but what’s the right tool for the trade.
I get that, and that’s always good advice. I’ve been on an iPad for years so I’m pretty much engrained into it’s workflow etc. And yet, it still is my go to device even when it’s sort of clunky in it’s process, but it’s getting more streamlined all the time. Not just from Apple, but developers too. If I had a complaint, it would be the App Store and making smaller, useful apps more discoverable. For example, everyone uses GarageBand. But that’s such a clunk of an app compared to others or a combination of others.
 
The 14" MBP and 16" MBP have mini LED screens as well and have speakers that are much better than iPad Pro. The MBA should be compared to the iPad Air.
Well. Yes and no. I see where you’re coming from but i was generally using similar prices as the metric really. So if I can get a mini LED for the same price as a 60Hz non pro motion MBA, the iPad Pro definitely has the advantage there.
 
Been using an iPad since 2012 as my main daily driver for light tasks like Youtube, Email and web surfing and iPads are nothing more "exciting" to use, than a laptop for me anymore, since the fanless M1 Macbook Air replaced my iPad(s) even for that, as i never was truly happy with the more "power user" side of the iPad to begin with.

I'm still using my iPads (Gen 6 for the balcony, or when traveling), iPad Pro 11" mainly for Youtube (yes, it's overkill just for that, but the way i see it i basically got it for next to nothing as i got it when we were getting a Corona bonus, so i just "actually" paid like 20 Euros for it, so no huge regrets)
and i probably will buy another iPad when the batteries in those will die, which will take a long while. But it will be the cheapest base model, as they are still great units that i personally am not missing out on much from the (more) expensive models

I still see benefits for graphical artists so they can draw directly to a screen, and i have to admit it can still be slightly more portable if you want to use it while walking around (or on the loo), but otherwise i now see no true reason anymore why an iPad should be the "more exciting" option / a laptop the "boring one", other than being able to get a way less expensive option with a base iPad, which of course still are great devices for what they do!
 
Well. Yes and no. I see where you’re coming from but i was generally using similar prices as the metric really. So if I can get a mini LED for the same price as a 60Hz non pro motion MBA, the iPad Pro definitely has the advantage there.
True the ipad pro is cheaper but the 2021 MBP are also more powerful and come with other features that the ipad pros don't have and vice versa.
 
This is gonna sound a little “troll-y” but it’s not meant to. It’s more of a personal observation. Here it is:
Laptops are boring.
See, I went to the local Costco today and to my surprise they carried the latest M2 MacBook Air. Like the rest of you, I’ve been watching countless YouTube reviews and such about this (as well as the MacBook Pro M1 Max etc) and there’s this nagging feeling that I should get one. After all, my YouTube influencer overlords tell me it’s the only way to be productive.
But, while there, and playing around with it, it just sorta sat there like an egg. Maybe laptop lovers have a different take, but for me it’s tough to get excited about basically another refresh of a design that’s been around for 30+ years.
Then I went to the iPad Pro counter.
Instantly, the feeling changed. Like, here’s something that feels modern. Say what you will about iPadOS, it still feels and looks better than MacOS, which again, is just refreshes of decades old design.
I’m in the market for a new device (I’m on a somewhat broken iPad Pro 10.5 now) and that trip to Costco clinched it for me. M2 iPad here I come, eventually.
I have this nagging feeling Apple themselves want to go all in on the iPad but can’t because of the built in traditional computer base.
Look. I know this all sounds dumb and ridiculous, and I’m probably gonna get roasted in comments, and while the MacBook Air hardware is nice (more girthy and solid than expected) it’s still just a rectangle with limited options. No detachable screen, no onboard rear camera, and a keyboard that’s nice but still physical ONLY (I’m a weirdo that has no problem typing on glass).
I want to see Apple innovate here. A “laptop” with BOTH glass screen AND keyboard able to make the keyboard anything (piano keys, drawing area, etc), yes please!
I’m probably too used to iPadOS as well, so that skews my perception, but I just see the iPad possibilities going only up, and MacOS and laptops only going down.

*ducks from incoming comments
I absolutely agree that the innovation level is at an all time low. In earlier times apple may have gone too far but now its quickly becoming the old Microsoft we all hated for being boring and unstable. Steve was relentless about UX and it really showed. Now i start my mac and while i'm typing in a password in a dialog the focus switches to some other game that just started in the background. There are Linux UIs now that beat Apple's quality. That's just sad. Maybe it's difficult to find programmers when you clearly just want to minimise the innovation to maximise profits. There are like 4 'different' iPhone lines out now but i'm using monitor that is 10 years old ... Congrats to your quaterly gains but the "love" is gone and somehow MS has found it - please restart the matrix. It seems quite obvious that you only get truly inspired stuff from a bored billionaire and not from multi trillion corporation.

I would suggest that large software companies should get fined when they push an update that slows down an existing device or just adds bugs that can be easily fixed but remain for months. Small companies and non-profit should be exluded of course but if you make millions for **** sake test that **** before releasing it and don't think of it as a reason to force users to upgrade. We need laws to encourage quality if modern companies behave like this.
 
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There are Linux UIs now that beat Apple's quality.

I'm not sure what planet you are on but that is definitely not true on this planet.

Every Linux desktop is a burning heap of trash that literally only just about works if you hit the positive cases. Gnome is absolutely the worst abhorrent mess of incompetence floating on the mire of the abortion that is Wayland.

"Oh it's really good" .... says the Linux desktop user after 2 entire days of Googling and futzing to get high DPI working. Which happens with every damn thing.

Also no capable or competent colour management. So that's a whole industry unable to use it.

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On the main subject, boring stuff is stuff that probably works. Use that to solve unboring problems :)
 
The M2 iPad will be boring. It'll be the same old big iPod Touch with added great artistic drawing/pencil ability that's been around a few years now. To me that's super boring. I can't use it for hardly anything I want to. My iPad Pro spends more time playing podcasts than anything else. My 16" M1 Max MBP is completely unboring and lets me fully unleash my creativity on all the music and production apps and VSTs and also play a load of Steam games or do content consumption, just plugs straight in my TV, can run more monitors and loads the iPad can't do. Performance-wise the M1 Max will destroy it too.

To me a computer's "interest" is defined by what it allows me to do and by that standard, apart from the pencil's abilities, the iPad is super boring compared to any Mac (or decent PC).

The idea a very limited tablet running iPadOS, has far fewer peripheral options and very limited proper pro software ability is more exciting that a computer you can use for so much more and has a massively wider options list for peripherals and software is laughable.
 
I fully agree with OP. Laptops are boring while iPads generally are not. The large “iPad cannot replace a laptop crowd“, likely unconscious, knows this. Why else would they argue to hard when good Mac are around?

First time I started my brand new 16 inch M1Pro at work my reactions was “nice screen” and “it looks like previous MBPs I have used”. No wow factor at all - even my 2020 27 inch iMac at home has more wow factor. My daughter bought a M1 iPP 12.9 inch. That has wow factor in abundance! So much that the “iPad cannot replace laptop” crowd gets frantic over that device despite that high performing Macs are around.

The wow factor has not so much with the OS and its capabilities. OS and apps are boring. It is purely a hardware thing. The original MBA had tremendous wow factor despite being very expensive and poor performing laptop compared to a MBP.
 
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