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Left 4 Dead

I read that XBOX tirade and my head hurt.

People play Valve games on the XBox these days? LOL. Are you serious?!

Steam is hailed as one of the greatest content distribution platforms ever created (although I had my dads back when they first implemented friends pre-Source and it was down for about a year).

Also you do realize the Source engine is incredibly scalable and the beauty is you can play on low end hardware or high end hardware and either way its gonna look good. The high end stuff is gonna look better then anything an XBox (which is just a budget PC hooked up to an HDTV) could produce.

Consoles have "won out" because its easier for parents to buy their kids console games.. the PC gaming community is still large and active. Plus theres mods.. lets not forget the modding community.

But all that being said we can end this argument with one simple statement....

Keyboard and mouse. /thread
 
palebluedot said:
Also you do realize the Source engine is incredibly scalable and the beauty is you can play on low end hardware or high end hardware and either way its gonna look good. The high end stuff is gonna look better then anything an XBox (which is just a budget PC hooked up to an HDTV) could produce.
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This is a rather moot point. Consoles have won the gaming wars. That much is clear. It is all well and good speaking about the intricacies of Source but the fact is that the public will never care about that. Consoles have taking gaming to the mass market, something awkward-to-use computers could never achieve.
 
Dan.Dare said:
This is a rather moot point. Consoles have won the gaming wars. That much is clear. It is all well and good speaking about the intricacies of Source but the fact is that the public will never care about that. Consoles have taking gaming to the mass market, something awkward-to-use computers could never achieve.
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Awkward to use computers? hah. You mean the foundation of modern gaming? Consoles are just cheap computers my friend.

I wont lie PC gaming is struggling thanks to the DRM wars, ongoing piracy, etc. The thing is PC gaming is the groundbreaker still... its where the avant garde, the art, and the revolution of the gaming medium is produced. That comes from Gabe at Penny Arcade and not me, and everyone knows PA are platform agnostic console lovers as much as they are PC gamers.

That said no one can argue that FPS games are made to be played ON PCs, for the keyboard and mouse, easy upgradeability, and primarily the modding. The reason Halo was so revolutionary is that it made a targeting system that frat boys could use - that is to say it didn't uterlly suck.. it only kind of sucked.

To me PC gaming is more then the money or the numbers - I don't care that consoles are winning out because the 12-18 year old demographic is using them. Thats fine. I'm perfecty happy to continue to support PC gamign with its groundbreaking corss genre games - and I get to use a mouse and keyboard while doing it. That and Steam is the greatest content distribution system that has ever been made and invalidates DRM. XBox Live is pretty nice but is nothing short of a Steam copy that you pay for... and doesn't always work as well.

on a side note:
The dream world would of course be a native Steam.app for OS X - then Steam could distribute Mac games like Greenhouse does for the indie games from PA.
 
palebluedot said:
I read that XBOX tirade and my head hurt.

People play Valve games on the XBox these days? LOL. Are you serious?!

Steam is hailed as one of the greatest content distribution platforms ever created (although I had my dads back when they first implemented friends pre-Source and it was down for about a year).

Also you do realize the Source engine is incredibly scalable and the beauty is you can play on low end hardware or high end hardware and either way its gonna look good. The high end stuff is gonna look better then anything an XBox (which is just a budget PC hooked up to an HDTV) could produce.

Consoles have "won out" because its easier for parents to buy their kids console games.. the PC gaming community is still large and active. Plus theres mods.. lets not forget the modding community.

But all that being said we can end this argument with one simple statement....

Keyboard and mouse. /thread
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My take:
Source is onerous, not great, but thats just an opinion. I realize there is a piracy problem so I guess I don't hold it against Valve but I prefer password protection and being able to sell a game after I'm done with it. Of course developers don't want you to be able to sell your game when you are done with it. :(

PC games are leading edge. Developers are locked into whatever standard the current generation of consoles support. However, I'm finding that I have gone from a high dislike of console games to enjoying playing certain games, mostly coop on my large T.V. :) But, some games are still going to be PC, like Fallout 3, Elder Scrolls 4:Oblivion, where I can take it on the road with me (I travel a lot with my work). However I admit since jumping back into WoW, that is mostly what I do while traveling. :p

I really wanted to play the Xbox 360 demo but it is no where to be found. I don't take buying a $60 game lightly. ;) Is there a PC demo out there?

So what is the forum verdict on F3, thumbs up or down especially concerning it's coop features? Can two players do coop on one box? Do you need a party of 4? If you use 2 real people, do you get A.I. help? Thanks! :D
 
How well would this game run on a September '07 Macbook Pro with the GeForce 8600M GT 256 MB?

I don't expect it to run on full settings, but just on medium with a decent frame rate.
 
Change is scary

Things change people, learn to live with it.

People are allowed to do something different than you, and enjoy it without having to be subjected to this outdated argument on platform superiority.

With that in mind I'll leave my opinion on which is best out of the thread, but I can say that Orange Box on 360 is outstanding, I'll check out L4D when I get home to see what all this fuss is about.
 
Elloise said:
Things change people, learn to live with it.

People are allowed to do something different than you, and enjoy it without having to be subjected to this outdated argument on platform superiority.

With that in mind I'll leave my opinion on which is best out of the thread, but I can say that Orange Box on 360 is outstanding, I'll check out L4D when I get home to see what all this fuss is about.
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The OP was asking what system to use it on and the PC gamers merely made their point heard and were refuted by the console gamers. Nothing more.

To quote the Wii Super Fan, "Do what you like". lol

It is not really an issue of change at all. Anyway either way get L4D, It's a hell of a game.
 
Stay on target

palebluedot said:
The OP was asking what system to use it on and the PC gamers merely made their point heard and were refuted by the console gamers. Nothing more.
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Well, they asked between MBP and 360, the PC crowd chipped in which devolved eventually into tired old KB+M FTW territory.

palebluedot said:
It is not really an issue of change at all.
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Not from the OP, no. But the resistance in accepting console as a perfectly good platform for what most users want is all over this thread.

Look. People can play what they want on what they like. I'm really ok with that. I just think those that aren't should get some new material to keep things interesting.
 
maturity

first things first, i am not a Mac user, so i technically have no reason to be here in the first place. i was looking around for tips on getting L4D to work on a Mac for my not-so tech savvy friend(which, btw, found in this thread).

but that's hardly worth starting an account for a comment. the reason i'm leaving a comment here is because there is a striking difference in maturity between the two groups who keep arguing here. the console fanboys seem to be much, much less mature than the PC crowd just based off of how they are responding to comments and the way they "brag" about their systems(without putting up much of any evidence to anything they say). the console fanboys are apparently to stupid to realize that some things do run better on a PC, while the PC users have all been pretty uniform in admitting that sometimes a console is better. the PC gamers are noticably more mature just because of this fact. that and they realize that there is more than just what the game comes with to it(i.e. modding community).

the console fanboys who keep putting stuff up saying how they won the war and all that need to grow up and realize that somethings just work better elsewhere.

summary: thanks for acting mature PC gamers. console fanboys, grow the **** up and learn something about technology.
 
rougegoat said:
the reason i'm leaving a comment here is because there is a striking difference in maturity between the two groups who keep arguing here.
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Really glad you got your friend sorted out.

No idea what thread you were reading to inspire the rest of the contribution.
 
Elloise said:
Well, they asked between MBP and 360, the PC crowd chipped in which devolved eventually into tired old KB+M FTW territory.


Not from the OP, no. But the resistance in accepting console as a perfectly good platform for what most users want is all over this thread.

Look. People can play what they want on what they like. I'm really ok with that. I just think those that aren't should get some new material to keep things interesting.
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You are in the PC GAMING thread.. we come here to talk about PC Gaming. We don't want to deal with console fanbois coming to tell us how awesome it is to play 1337 games for cheap and how consoles are good for the mass public. I don't really care. PC Gaming has enough trouble with DRM and bad publishers as it is (coincidentally the publishers who are pushing for console acceptance like EA) that we dont need to have tit-for-tat about how awesome XBOX's are. If you want to discuss consoles, etc. Mac Rumors has a forum specifically for that.

And a MBP is a PC, there is no difference minus some weaker specs then most home built gaming PCs.
 
<-- clicks ruby red slippers

palebluedot said:
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You've made a valid point there.

I got here via Forum Spy so didn't really pay attention to where I was. That was careless, I don't know what I was thinking and I'll be careful in future to respect the laws of your sanctuary.

  1. You shall not attempt to be objective
  2. You accept that any comment that doesn't endorse PC will result in immediate branding of you as a console fanboy, regardless of how many PC's you own
  3. A MBP is a PC

I'm sure you don't actually think like this, as I don't believe the exact opposite so lets just be friends ok? But for the record, this is an Apple Games thread.
 
I was playing this last night. It's funny but when I play this alone (no human team-mates), I find it really scary! The feeling of being overwhelmed is so palpable at all times. Really enjoying it and looking forward to new maps or gametypes.
 
irishgrizzly said:
I was playing this last night. It's funny but when I play this alone (no human team-mates), I find it really scary! The feeling of being overwhelmed is so palpable at all times. Really enjoying it and looking forward to new maps or gametypes.
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yea it is amazing how the game play is.

Tomorrow night I am having a LAN with 3 of my close friends. We are all gonna put our laptops in a dark room and play through all 4 of the campaigns. I'm predicting we will have PTSD by the time the night is done with haha.

I can't wait to see what a game like this is like at a LAN - What with the cries of terror...
 
irishgrizzly said:
I was playing this last night. It's funny but when I play this alone (no human team-mates), I find it really scary! The feeling of being overwhelmed is so palpable at all times. Really enjoying it and looking forward to new maps or gametypes.
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Playing solo does the game give you a default 4 player A.I. team? I want to play this game but I'm waiting a bit to see if a demo ever appears on the 360.
 
Huntn said:
Playing solo does the game give you a default 4 player A.I. team? I want to play this game but I'm waiting a bit to see if a demo ever appears on the 360.
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Oh heck, I picked up the game today for the 360. The introduction is enough to sell the game and I'll say "wow" when a bunch of infected are bearing down on you and guns are blazing. Outstanding motions graphics as they charge and crumple. Scary? Not really if you've played and have handled other games such as System Shock 2, Alien vs Predator or Doom3. :)

It feels very much like Half Life 2 (no surprise there considering the publisher) and the movie 28 Days, but in contrast to HL2 you do have 3 A.I. team mates if your playing solo and the game does support 2 on coop/split screen for the same xbox (not online). It will be a week or so before I get to try coop. I'm playing on "normal" and it's pretty easy. I may notch it up a bit. When ever I pay $60 for a game, it makes me real happy when it proves worthy. :D
 
#1 Sold my 360, sick of nubbites and douches on XBL. Much happier. Some people like the social scene of XBL, friends lists, and general high school/myspace type atmosphere, teens dropping the F bomb and N word every 2 seconds like their nanny is on vacation... I'm too old for that so good riddance.

#2 PC gives you more control over the graphics card options, and you are effectively playing with better hardware... even though source engine is kinda old and xbox hardware can handle it easily.

#3 Anyone crashing running this in Bootcamp or emulation... check torrents, you need to swap out the engine dll in the bin folder with older engine.... newer one is optimized for multicore processing, but not duocores so that has been causing crashing. Turn off the MCP in options too.

#4 No idea how anyone can be bored of this game... if you expect Dead Rising, House of the Dead, Resident Evil... it's not those games. This is the Halo of zombie games. Very simple, streamlined, tons of references to other films, infinitely replayable, and you must keep spare pants around.

That is all, carry on.
 
I feel your pain

Supaklaw said:
...sick of nubbites and douches on XBL......teens dropping the F bomb and N word every 2 seconds like their nanny is on vacation...
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It really is painful when matchmaking isn't it?! It's good when you can get some mates together and group up for some normal interaction, but outside of that it gets a bit meh.

It does add +7 satisfaction to every headshot though.
 
GreenFrog said:
How well would this game run on a September '07 Macbook Pro with the GeForce 8600M GT 256 MB?

I don't expect it to run on full settings, but just on medium with a decent frame rate.
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I have an August 2007 SR Macbook pro with a lesser video card (GT 128MB) and the game runs nice and fast in bootcamp with full settings. (Tried it in Parellels but couldn't get it to run --- bootcamp would be faster anyway obviously).
 
I have the 13 inch white macbook 2.4 ghz 160 hard drive.

is there anyway i can play left 4 dead?

i know it says you need 256mb video card
i only have 144 mb video card

any possible way?
 
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