Let’s face the facts, this years iPad update is meaningless

[richpjr]

I would just argue they continue to focus on the wrong thing here.

We need “iPad OS” and/or unleashing of some of the restrictions they’re placing on the iPad/iOS way before we need any more hardware advancements at this point.

The real point of this thread is just that, from the capabilities standpoint, there’s really nothing you can do with a new iPad Pro today that you couldn’t do with the ones before these.

I 100% agree that the iPad hardware is being limited by iOS. It could be so much more and hopefully iOS 13 addresses some of that. But I certainly wouldn’t buy an iPad today based on what might be in iOS 13 as that likely isn’t out for 10 months. I still stand by my point though that this spec bump is not any different than the difference between say a 2016 and 2017 MBP.

 

[joshwithachance]

I would say this year's iPad is the most important and impressive in the line yet. The issue is it running the same iOS as the iPhone. Now that the iPad has true "pro" power, it needs an OS to match.

 

[Fozziebear71]

Exactly. The new iPads are incredible pieces of hardware but what is iOS doing now to take advantage of this? Nothing


But bringing up this point which every credible website stated in their reviews, draws so much anger, it’s laughable really

Agreed. I am an admitted Apple Fanboy. I'm not blind though. The new iPad's are awesome. I could afford one if I wanted. But the reality is that the new ones don't fundamentally offer me anything that my current first gen iPad pro can't already do.

 

[muzzy996]

Yup, that’s spot on. They are still functionality basically the same.

Of course, it’s not beyond Apple, as we have seen in the past. To introduce hardware which initially doesn’t seem to make best use of its capabilities. Only for them to change that fact with updates to iOS.

We don’t know their plans. There could be a good reason for all of that power under the hood and we might need to wait almost a year to see why - or, it’s just power for powers sake. They’re doing it because 1) they can and 2) they had to do something for a new model beyond just FaceID.

Yup, and this is why it makes it really easy for me to hold onto my gen 2 iPad Pro. The hardware advancements came before the software advancements which makes the device less relevant at release for me since I’m wanting specific feature updates in the OS itself that haven’t come along with it.

 

[Fozziebear71]

For one I can fit the thing in my bag.... and have it opened on the tray of an airplane’s seat.

Cool story. I can do the exact same thing with my first gen iPad pro.

 

[fm_carv]

Cool story. I can do the exact same thing with my first gen iPad pro.

Nice for you! Good luck holding it with one hand for more than 5 mins though...

 

[muzzy996]

Cool story. I can do the exact same thing with my first gen iPad pro.

LMAO so can I, and I can have a keyboard cover that allows me to do that without having keys sticking out in front of my iPad.

 

[TrueBlou]

Yup, and this is why it makes it really easy for me to hold onto my gen 2 iPad Pro. The hardware advancements came before the software advancements which makes the device less relevant at release for me since I’m wanting specific feature updates in the OS itself that haven’t come along with it.

I can totally agree with that. In complete and total honesty, had it not been for the size and weight reduction this year, I’d still be using my 2015 model until at least next year.
(By now most folk probably know I’ve got severe nerve damage, so the size and weight reduction is a huge boon for me.)

Don’t get me wrong, the new iPad Pro is a great device, it’s got a lot going for it and it’s an absolute beast.
But is it an essential upgrade if you have a recent model? I’d say no, unless like me there’s a specific advantage.

 

[Fozziebear71]

LMAO so can I, and I can have a keyboard cover that allows me to do that without having keys sticking out in front of my iPad.

That's one of the primary reasons I never replaced my 1st version iPad pro 12.9. The first one was the only one that had the silicone case that protected the iPad while adding very little substance to the portability of it. That and the fact that the two versions since haven't added any real world functionality that my 1st gen already has. I still use it on a daily basis and there has been no reason to upgrade.

 

[muzzy996]

That's one of the primary reasons I never replaced my 1st version iPad pro 12.9. The first one was the only one that had the silicone case that protected the iPad while adding very little substance to the portability of it. That and the fact that the two versions since haven't added any real world functionality that my 1st gen already has. I still use it on a daily basis and there has been no reason to upgrade.

Yeah and this is the gist of the OP’s point.

I like what I see in terms of form factor of the device itself but for now it’s eye candy for me. Really excited for those purchasing it and I’m recommending it to a few friends who I told to wait on iPad purchases until it was announced.

But for now, my current device has found its place in particular workflows and I’m not going to disrupt that until there are functional improvements that take things to another level. For me right now if pressed to name some they’d be mouse support, full file management and more RAM to take advantage of the software functionalities those two additions would unleash. I think its cool what Adobe is looking to do for example but I’m not quite convinced about doing it all over cloud with a low RAM device just yet, though I could be convinced. My perspective is skewed because I have a workstation class laptop as my daily driver with 64GB of RAM, dual 27” QHD monitors along with the ipad as a third monitor.

 

[turbineseaplane]

We don’t know their plans. There could be a good reason for all of that power under the hood and we might need to wait almost a year to see why

A superb argument of saving ones money and waiting to see..

The narrative has constantly been "the next iOS will finally fix all this for the iPad!"..
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I 100% agree that the iPad hardware is being limited by iOS. It could be so much more and hopefully iOS 13 addresses some of that. But I certainly wouldn’t buy an iPad today based on what might be in iOS 13 as that likely isn’t out for 10 months. I still stand by my point though that this spec bump is not any different than the difference between say a 2016 and 2017 MBP.

Fully agree..

That's the thing with anyone saying "iOS 13 will be so much better!".. Well, iOS 13 is going to release about the time they'll likely tweak something and release yet another round of iPad hardware.

The takeaway is simple.

Buy a new iPad when you simply want to...or if you're waiting for functional iOS improvements (like me), buy when they actually exist.

For now I'll continue to use my 9.7" iPP and see what comes next year.

 

[TrueBlou]

A superb argument of saving ones money and waiting to see..

The narrative has constantly been "the next iOS will finally fix all this for the iPad!"..

I couldn't agree more. Indeed thus far when I've been asked by friends and family. I have yet to recommend anyone upgrade to this years model.

I think it's fine if there is a specific feature (as I've mentioned in my case) you would benefit from.
However, because there is thus far no significant software changes, I really don't see the compelling reason to jump on this years model.

If you have a good reason, then sure, you're certainly not going to be disappointed by it and its good for years to come. But do not buy it thinking it's going to offer you anything different in a usability sense from the previous iPad Pros. Because there, you will be really disappointed - it's no different and will be no different, until Apple makes fundamental changes to iOS.

 

[bensisko]

Be careful, you’ll be accused of trolling for having this opinion

It's not your opinion that gets you accused, it's your blind insistence that your view is the only correct one and refusal to hear any opposing viewpoint. It's also the way you present yourself in your responses: When somebody agrees "Heck Yeah I'm right!" when someone disagrees: "Fake News!" Your posts are your opinions with intent to incite heated comments. Your response quoted above is great example of why someone would accuse you.

 

[TrueBlou]

It's not your opinion that gets you accused, it's your blind insistence that your view is the only correct one and refusal to hear any opposing viewpoint. It's also the way you present yourself in your responses: When somebody agrees "Heck Yeah I'm right!" when someone disagrees: "Fake News!" Your posts are your opinions with intent to incite heated comments. Your response quoted above is great example of why someone would accuse you.

Well that's just silly, how can it even be possible. I'm alway right, just ask my wife, surely that means there cant be another one?

 

[turbineseaplane]

I think some on this site seem blind to the fact that opinions that aren't VERY pro Apple get chastised much more quickly and irrationally than the opposite views.

Perhaps that's just part and parcel to us being on "MacRumors.com", but it can be frustrating since Apple by no means creates "amazing" with every move it makes and they really could use healthy criticism on a lot of fronts.

When warranted, it's far more constructive than endless praise.

 

[akash.nu]

I'll go with the external peripherals. I'm a retired S/W Systems Engineer and in the last 47 years I've used every kind of computing device and peripheral imaginable and have never had a malicious injection into a system. With any care at all, it's quite easy to avoid.

With clued up people like you and me, yes! It’s really easy to avoid but with an everyday joe, not so much. I’ve seen my fair share of virus / malware ridden devices just because the users aren’t aware of what they are and how they can get infected.

 

[Aluminum213]

With clued up people like you and me, yes! It’s really easy to avoid but with an everyday joe, not so much. I’ve seen my fair share of virus / malware ridden devices just because the users aren’t aware of what they are and how they can get infected.

I guess you’ve never used a Mac

 

[jeremiah256]

With clued up people like you and me, yes! It’s really easy to avoid but with an everyday joe, not so much. I’ve seen my fair share of virus / malware ridden devices just because the users aren’t aware of what they are and how they can get infected.

Concur. If, as many of us believe, Apple is positioning the iPad to be the gateway computer, most people’s first computer in the future, then I can totally see their reluctance with regard to allowing direct access in many cases. But some of the other shortcomings need to be addressed at WWDC 2019.

 

[akash.nu]

I guess you’ve never used a Mac

Lol. On the contrary, I haven’t used a windows machine in the last 10-15 years at least.

 

[Aluminum213]

Lol. On the contrary, I haven’t used a windows machine in the last 10-15 years at least.

then why are acting like it's some normal thing for people to hook up devices to their mac only to get viruses and malware, never once happened to me and just like the other responses in this thread to your comment, it's not an issue anyone here can attest to either

 

[lyngo]

I literally laughed out loud as soon as I finished reading the title. That is all.

 

[Raist3001]

I would just argue they continue to focus on the wrong thing here.

We need “iPad OS” and/or unleashing of some of the restrictions they’re placing on the iPad/iOS way before we need any more hardware advancements at this point.

The real point of this thread is just that, from the capabilities standpoint, there’s really nothing you can do with a new iPad Pro today that you couldn’t do with the ones before these.

So dang true.

 

[AlexJoda]

Nice for you! Good luck holding it with one hand for more than 5 mins though...

The new iPP is definitely heavier than the old one with smart case/keyboard/folio....
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That's one of the primary reasons I never replaced my 1st version iPad pro 12.9. The first one was the only one that had the silicone case that protected the iPad while adding very little substance to the portability of it. That and the fact that the two versions since haven't added any real world functionality that my 1st gen already has. I still use it on a daily basis and there has been no reason to upgrade.

I upgraded recently from the 2015 to the 2017 iPP because I donated my gen 1 to my brother. The most noticeable difference for me is not the processing power but it is TrueMotion! This smooth scrolling with 120Hz is simply amazing! Besides that I needed the storage upgrade to 512GB. But both of these things are already available with the gen 2 and are not improved with the gen 3...

 

[akash.nu]

then why are acting like it's some normal thing for people to hook up devices to their mac only to get viruses and malware, never once happened to me and just like the other responses in this thread to your comment, it's not an issue anyone here can attest to either

There are Mac viruses out there, they’re just not widespread as windows. The reason is more to do with the number of people on the platform than anything else.

Just a quick reference here. https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/mac-software/mac-viruses-malware-security-3668354/

If apple enables easily mountable solution then virus developers will be really interested to get their hands dirty, again simply because the penetration of iOS devices across the world.

 

[jeremiah256]

There are Mac viruses out there, they’re just not widespread as windows. The reason is more to do with the number of people on the platform than anything else.

Just a quick reference here. https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/mac-software/mac-viruses-malware-security-3668354/

If apple enables easily mountable solution then virus developers will be really interested to get their hands dirty, again simply because the penetration of iOS devices across the world.

Disagree with numbers being the primary reason Apple products are more secure.

Microsoft and Android are both at a disadvantage due to having to support much more hardware, has little control over the software that goes on their devices, and with Windows, has to support many legacy applications and programs.

Apple, on the other hand, is much more aggressive and has much more control over both the hardware and the software that gets to their devices. Hell, I’ve been reconsidering my devotion to Apple because they are even dictating to their customers what you will or will not use. And they are not hesitant to abandon either hardware or software.

That said, hacking individual devices has less of a payoff compared to hacking services.