My switch to mac basically came when Microsoft released the pos Vista. Needed to get a new laptop, because the old one let the smoke out..... went to best buy and told the salesperson what I needed it to do and he showed me a laptop that was a decent price, and said it would do everything I needed it to do as windows vista is the cat's meow...... YEAH RIGHT. Brought that pos home, set it up and then tried to do things I needed a laptop to actually do. It worked ok for about 30 minutes and then would start randomly crashing multiple times. Took it back to the best buy and the sales person took me to the "geek squad" area, after an hour of wasted time, the tech said to me well what do you expect? This machine only has 2gb of ram, and it needs at least 4gb to run vista kinda ok. Told him to have the salesperson who sold it to me come over. He came to the tech area, had the person who told me tell him the same thing, and told them I refuse to pay for a ram upgrade after buying it less than 3 hours ago, and was told it will do anything I need it to do, and it does everything I don't need it to do, I do not need it to do random bsod in the middle of doing work. They eventually put in the 4gb of ram after a giant argument involving the store manager. It barely did what I wanted and needed it to do which was email and basic office stuff as well as internet. A couple weeks later my friend came to the starbucks I hang out in and still do hang out there, and I was fighting with that stupid vista laptop. He said you want to try my G4 iBook, I just bought a new MacBook and do not need the iBook? Tried his old G4 iBook and was quite impressed, it did what I asked it to do, didn't complain, or cause me to have fits trying to use it. I used that iBook for probably 3 years and then got a black MacBook, used that for a few years, then got a MacBook pro 2011 that ended up having the mainboard failure issue with the gpu. Ended up getting a 2015 MacBook air which I sold to my friend who's having issues with his windows laptop, had that running macOS ventura thru OCLP, and just recently installed sonoma on it for him the same way, was using a dell latitude with windows 11 and just couldn't deal with windows crap and the likely constant spying by microsoft, and know that if I blasted the senile imbecile idiot who is occupying the white house by theft on facebook, microsoft would allow the ip and machine id to be released to whomever unlike apple. Got lucky last night at the Lake County ARES meeting, one of the other members purchased a mid 2010 MacBook pro that had macOS 10.9 on it and could not figure out how to update it to anything and was totally frustrated. Told him that I can likely update it to macOS sonoma, and if not sonoma likely at least monterey using a patch tool, but it would take 2-3 days and my time is not free, likely would cost $150 and he said, **** it I'll just bite the bullet and go buy a new MacBook air like my son told me to in the first place and I will simply eat the loss of $150 on this and throw it in the garbage can. Told him I will gladly recycle it for you and if you want I'll give you $10.00 for it since you think it is trash. He said, no just take it, get it away from me. I had macOS sierra running on it before the end of the meeting, and downloaded high sierra on it when I got home last night and now using it with high sierra typing this now. Debating on installing macOS sonoma thru oclp on it as it has a 512gb ssd and 8gb of ram, and I have sonoma running on my late 2009 iMac that still has the spinner hd and 8gb of ram and it runs very nicely, need to find out if there will be any issues with keyboard or trackpad functioning on it with ventura or sonoma, thought I saw something about that when I did the iMac, but didn't have any issues at all. Wonder if sonoma is worth doing or something else like monterey? I do not think I will EVER go back to a windows machine ever, even if it causes difficulty with work productively, they can purchase what they need to share office documents and such, I will use my mac or let them terminate me, its just employment and life is not a job.