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rin67630

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That is the dream and I am so envious of that situation.

I keep finding things that I hate about Windows 11. My "favorite" is how they removed the option to make it stop grouping things together in the taskbar. "Just edit the registry with this third party tool to stop that" someone will say. Nope, not on a locked down work computer.
Many home Mac users compare their home Mac with a strongly "company-managed" work PC.
Apples and oranges...
 

MisterSavage

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Many home Mac users compare their home Mac with a strongly "company-managed" work PC.
Apples and oranges...
Ok, but the feature I was complaining about isn't exclusive to company managed work PCs.

And I've had Windows on a home PC. Once I switched to Mac at home I never looked back.

 

raythompsontn

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I am a lifelong Windows user starting with Windows 3.0 and up through W11. I purchased a Mac Air a little over a year ago. There was an adjustment. Some things are easy on the Mac, less easy on Windows. Some things are easy on Windows, less easy on Mac. They are different.

The use of Command rather than Control for shortcut keys is a big difference. The lack of both a backspace and delete key on the Mac (it can be simulated with a shortcut) is another difference. The function of delete is reversed between the two systems.

I don't like file handling on the Mac. Sometimes it copies, sometimes it moves. Depends on the source and destination volumes.

Apps on the Mac change the menu bar. Clicking the red button does not actually terminate the app. I like the way Windows handles application better than Mac. Not that either is better, it is more my muscle memory.

The Mac laptop is about the same in quality, design and usefulness to my Surface Laptop. Trackpads are almost the same except that the Surface trackpad actually depresses with the click on the Mac being simulated. Different.

I do take the Mac with me on trips as it integrates well with my iPhone and iPad.

But to say that either platform is superior, better, or worse, than the other is nothing more than mind games. They both have their strengths and weaknesses.
 
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rin67630

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I don't like file handling on the Mac. Sometimes it copies, sometimes it moves. Depends on the source and destination volumes.
All OSes do that, Windows and Linux too. Within a volume, dragging a file moves it and copies it across volumes.
 

chevyboy60013

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But to say that either platform is superior, better, or worse, than the other is nothing more than mind games. They both have their strengths and weaknesses.

I tried to like windows 11.... and I kinda do for a windows device.

macOS is just superior, I just did the oclp patch on my mid 2010 MacBook Pro I got last night, and even being an unsupported os, it simply performs much better than my 2022 dell latitude with an i3 processor, 8gb of ram and the ssd it came with. This mid 2010 MacBook Pro is a core 2 duo 2.4ghz, 8gb ram and a 512 ssd and runs circles around the dell which is 12 years newer and has newer components.... so it just shows how bloated windows still is.

Perfect example is facebook, the memory hog it seems to be, on my dell it lags and stutters after scrolling for a while, where this MacBook Pro does not and running an unsupported version of macOS and older components you would think this is the one that would do that, not the newer system.

Just proves why I switched to mac and macOS and likely will never give it another thought especially since rumor has it the next annual update for windows will be heavy on AI, and likely will perform worse.
 

rin67630

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and even being an unsupported os, it simply performs much better than my 2022 dell latitude with an i3 processor, 8gb of ram and the ssd it came with. This mid 2010 MacBook Pro is a core 2 duo 2.4ghz, 8gb ram and a 512 ssd and runs circles around the dell which is 12 years newer and has newer components....
Interesting, what performance differences some Mac users pretend to have using Windows.
I never had experienced anything that dramatic, even on an ooold Fujisu E780 or an ASUS S300 compared with an much recent Macbook. Using either macOS, Linux or Windows everyting ist equally fluent.
 

MisterSavage

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Interesting, that this combination of multiple instances in the taskbar Windows 11 disturbs you that much.
It's exactly the way macOS does with the dock.;)
Interesting that you're taking the role of defender of Windows on Macrumors!

It's not just me that is "disturbed" by this. Here's a 12 page thread of lots of people complaining about the same thing on Microsoft's forums.

What I do on my Mac and what I do at work on completely different. At home I don't have a need to have multiple emails and documents open to reference during the day.

Believe it or not people are allowed to have opinions about what operating systems they do and don't like that you might not agree with! ;)
 

rin67630

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Interesting that you're taking the role of defender of Windows on Macrumors!
I am not defending an OS against another. I just wonder that Mac Users appear to complain about a changed Windows 11 behaviour that is long the way macOS works...
 

chevyboy60013

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Good to hear. I have to use Windows for work and I still vastly prefer macOS.
my emergency management agency would prefer I use windows, but I refuse to. told them if they cannot do what they want with the reports I do.... using apple's pages, to buy a program for them to be able to. Not like it is coming out of their pocket, its coming out of the counties pocket.
 

AirTowel

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Brief answer:
  1. Esthetically beautiful user interface. MS could never catch up with Apple in that department.
  2. No legacy stuff in the OS floating around and bothering you. Legacy seems to be MS core-business, with all its drawbacks.
 

rin67630

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Brief answer:
  1. Esthetically beautiful user interface. MS could never catch up with Apple in that department.
True.
  1. No legacy stuff in the OS floating around and bothering you. Legacy seems to be MS core-business, with all its drawbacks.
Yes, no legacy stuff.
...And tons of apps that will only run from version x.xx to version y.yy of macOS.
On the top of it an Apple Store that refuses to deliver the legacy apps that would work with your old version, albeit having it on their servers. I hate that !
Legacy is what made Microsoft successful. Enterprises would never accept to live without.
 

Eric Best

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When I moved from Windows to Mac, I was surprised at how long the new OS took to become intuitive for me. In fact, after many years, I'm still stumbling across short cuts and other efficiencies!
 

chevyboy60013

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When I moved from Windows to Mac, I was surprised at how long the new OS took to become intuitive for me. In fact, after many years, I'm still stumbling across short cuts and other efficiencies!
Actually, it takes me much longer to use a windows device, even after only using windows for a few years before I started getting good deals on mac devices. I had to help a friend with his windows laptop last night and it took me forever to figure out anything.
 

Raebo

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I'm not gonna sell you a Mac. I've always been OS-ambidextrous, but my personal computer had been Windows from Win 3.1 thru Win7. Win8 finally sent me over the edge, and I went out and got a MacBook. And have never really considered going back.

There is, admittedly, a learning curve to MacOS (and noting your interest, not really a lot of support - from Apple or developers - for gaming. Up until M2 and the newest OS), and that can be daunting at first. Especially as a long-term user of any other OS. And the OS doesn't really give the average user a lot of access to under-the-hood tinkering, if that's your thing. And then there is the initial outlay of software to replace what you've accumulated on Windows.

But recent experimentation with Win11 has shown to me that it's really lost its way on many fronts - it seemingly leaning into gaming, streaming, audio and video (often several apps doing pretty much the same thing) - while as a home or work business device, its just...meh. And aside from OS peculiarities, the software exists on that front regardless of OS.

There is also the consideration of whether you have have other Apple products (or are interested in them), as the connectivity between them and the OS can be attractive. Example: Calendar event on your computer shows up on your phone, etc.

But it has to be a personal choice. You have to be comfortable with the leap. The comment that you're having second thoughts - even after trying the OS and hardware for a few weeks - has to be addressed. And only you can do that.
 

MisterSavage

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my emergency management agency would prefer I use windows, but I refuse to. told them if they cannot do what they want with the reports I do.... using apple's pages, to buy a program for them to be able to. Not like it is coming out of their pocket, its coming out of the counties pocket.
Love it. You're doing it right.
 
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mtbdudex

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I was born in 1984 and have been a lifelong Windows user. Only extremely briefly using Macs in middle and high school. I got my first Mac (a MacBook Pro 14" with the M2 Pro chip) on October 10, 2023 just to try it out because I have been always curious and fascinated by Macs. It was my first time actually getting deep into macOS. I used it for 3 weeks but then Apple had the Mac event and announced the M3 chips. I returned my MacBook Pro with the goal of getting one with the M3 chip.

Now that it is returned, I am having second thoughts about getting another MacBook Pro or just a new desktop gaming PC. My current desktop gaming PC was built in January 2012 and I have been using it ever since so it is definitely time for a new computer whether it be a Mac or Windows PC. The thing is getting a new gaming desktop PC might not be worth it because I really don't game much these days.

However, with the 3 weeks I had the MacBook Pro, it definitely took some time to get used to and I'm not sure if I got completely used to it. Multitasking seems easier on Windows because of the taskbar. Also, maybe it's because I have been using Windows all this time, Windows seems easier to use and more logical than macOS. I don't have a "genuine reason" to use macOS (meaning there is no app that I must use that is only available on macOS) so I am not sure if the switch is worth it.

What do you guys say? I know it is ultimately up to me but I'm looking for any feedback and opinions I can get.

Lifetime Macintosh owner and user since 9/1984 at home, yep good old 128k with 400k floppy . So many models .. ha, I had a 1983 Timex Sinclair prior.


Lifetime WinTel user at work 1985-now , GM then Nissan, via company provided desktops then laptops.
MS-DOS, Win 3.1 on …

I’m fluent in “both”, honestly still my home Mac serves me “better” than my WinTel.

I believe there’s a 29 day return window still?
(Edit) it’s a 14 day return period
 
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rin67630

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Actually, it takes me much longer to use a windows device, even after only using windows for a few years before I started getting good deals on mac devices. I had to help a friend with his windows laptop last night and it took me forever to figure out anything.
That is valid in both directions.
Windows&Linuxes work roughly the same way, macOS does pretty much exactly everything the other way round.
It is like driving in the UK when you come from Europe.
The most annoying is however that Apple infantilizes you: as soon as something is a bit ahead of the bare minimum, you have to expand menus and displays or use (scarcely documented) shortcuts to get things done.
And Apple does everything to keep you inside their golden cage ($$$), if you want to escape, you need conversions, must purchase software, use adapters or it is just forbidden (e.g copy from iOS).
 
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