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mrk123

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Thanks. Will have a proper read tomorrow.
But lion has just installed.
I now need to build up to high Sierra or mojave.
I wonder if I’ll have the name server issue now that i have lion installed.
 

mrk123

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Damn this is ugly.
I need high Sierra. Or mojave. What is the best way now.
 

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JustAnExpat

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In that case, since you have a machine that works...

1. In Google, type "High Sierra" ISO Archive" and download High Sierra from the Internet Archive. It should work. For some reason my computer can't connect to that service.
2. Make a bootable USB installer for High Sierra. Follow these instructions here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/101578
3. Boot the computer using the USB installer, and follow the instructions.
 

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In that case, since you have a machine that works...

1. In Google, type "High Sierra" ISO Archive" and download High Sierra from the Internet Archive. It should work. For some reason my computer can't connect to that service.
2. Make a bootable USB installer for High Sierra. Follow these instructions here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/101578
3. Boot the computer using the USB installer, and follow the instructions.
So basically download HS or MOJAVE to a usb stick and install that way? How do Ininstall it. Via CMD R or ?
 

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In that case, since you have a machine that works...

1. In Google, type "High Sierra" ISO Archive" and download High Sierra from the Internet Archive. It should work. For some reason my computer can't connect to that service.
2. Make a bootable USB installer for High Sierra. Follow these instructions here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/101578
3. Boot the computer using the USB installer, and follow the instructions.
Websites are not working. Here’s this iso archive …
Just blank.

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JustAnExpat

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So basically download HS or MOJAVE to a usb stick and install that way? How do Ininstall it. Via CMD R or ?
Please, read my post :(

1. Download High Sierra from the Internet Archive, or another source. For some reason that website is down.
2. Read the link I posted about how to install it. The instructions are easy to follow. I don't know any other good sources.
 
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A Fishrrman "you can lead a horse to water" post to the OP:

First, get an ethernet cable, even if you have to buy one.
Then, use that instead of wifi.
Doing so removes "one more thing that can go wrong" on you.

Next, if you have Sierra booted and running, go to this page and download dosdude1's "Mojave patcher tool":

EVERYTHING YOU NEED to get Mojave up-and-running on a 2011 Mac can be found there.

If you download the patcher tool, go to the "tools" menu and use that option to download Mojave.

You will need a USB flashdrive 16gb or larger. BUY ONE if you don't have one.

Follow the instructions on the page above, and you should be on your way.

I'll even help out more:
Links to download the Mojave Patcher:
direct:
mirror:

Remember, you can download the Mojave installer by launching the patcher and going to the "Tools" menu.

OK, Old Paint, the water's in front of you...
 

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Here is the download link for the High Sierra installer from Apple.
 

JustAnExpat

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High Sierra or Catalina on my 2011 Mac.
I decided to do some research, because something doesn't sound right with this post.

1. It appears Catalina (Mac OS 10.15) does NOT run on any 2011 Macs, per Mactracker. Most of the 2011 Macs start with Mac OS X 10.6 and end with Mac OS X 10.13.

2. High Sierra is the highest version of Mac OS X that can run. Mojave may be possible using hacks, but I would not recommend it.

3. The 2011 series may have certain quarks to it when it comes to booting off USB drives and stuff like that. What is your specific computer?
 
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Here is the download link for the High Sierra installer from Apple.
I decided to do some research, because something doesn't sound right with this post.

1. It appears Catalina (Mac OS 10.15) does NOT run on any 2011 Macs, per Mactracker. Most of the 2011 Macs start with Mac OS X 10.6 and end with Mac OS X 10.13.

2. High Sierra is the highest version of Mac OS X that can run. Mojave may be possible using hacks, but I would not recommend it.

3. The 2011 series may have certain quarks to it when it comes to booting off USB drives and stuff like that. What is your specific computer?
Thanks. That might have saved me a lot of time! Really thank you. My Mac is sadly 2011 13inch MBP with upgraded to 16gb ram and 1tb SSD. Like I say I was happy with High Sierra, apart from the fact I Couod not use WHATSAP app on my MBP or certain programs like the new ABLETON 12. Tbh I am just going to install High Sierra then. Lots of info here how. The issue is accessing the websites as I can’t even log onto App Store or websites as LION is so out of date.
I’m going to open it up now and see what I can do. But yeah I think HIGH SIERRA it is!
 

mrk123

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You can't browse the web with Safari/macOS that old. Download and use this browser instead:

Just tried to download this. But I can t even get on that site?!
This is so dumb.
Why the hell does apple do this. Lock you out of something you paid £1000 for?!
How am I meant to get the browser I need if I can’t even download it.
 

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mrk123

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I don
I decided to do some research, because something doesn't sound right with this post.

1. It appears Catalina (Mac OS 10.15) does NOT run on any 2011 Macs, per Mactracker. Most of the 2011 Macs start with Mac OS X 10.6 and end with Mac OS X 10.13.

2. High Sierra is the highest version of Mac OS X that can run. Mojave may be possible using hacks, but I would not recommend it.

3. The 2011 series may have certain quarks to it when it comes to booting off USB drives and stuff like that. What is your specific computer?
I don’t know what to do now.
Safari won’t let me go on ANY websites. So I can t download High Sierra. Can’t even get this GitHub browser to get it. App Store won’t load up.
I’m beginning to hate Apple even more now. There’s no need for this at all. Totally shutting my system down like this.
Why is it so easy for everyone else. I see loads of ‘refurb macs’ with latest operating systems. What am I doing wrong!?
 

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Safari won’t let me go on ANY websites. So I can t download High Sierra. Can’t even get this GitHub browser to get it. App Store won’t load up.
I’m beginning to hate Apple even more now. There’s no need for this at all. Totally shutting my system down like this.
Why is it so easy for everyone else. I see loads of ‘refurb macs’ with latest operating systems. What am I doing wrong!?
It's less to do with Apple or Safari, and more the decisions of site owners.

A long time ago, SSL was invented to secure web traffic. Then people discovered it was flawed and so SSLv3 arrived. Then the story repeated with TLS 1.0, TLS 1.1, and TLS 1.2 (and will inevitably repeat with TLS 1.3).

Because of security vulnerabilities in older versions of SSL/TLS, many site owners outright disable transmission using these protocols. It's common for sites to require TLS 1.1 (or TLS 1.2) or later nowadays.

This is a problem because the dated version of Safari you're using likely only goes up to TLS 1.0, so will fail to communicate with sites demanding newer versions. You might have luck changing "https://" to "http://" in these cases, but it's fairly likely sites have forced HTTPS on.

Additionally, even when communication is possible, many web devs nowadays completely forgo philosophies such as progressive enhancement (where even dated browsers can render something, even if it's not totally featureful/flashy), so you're very likely to encounter script errors before anything has a chance to be rendered.

TLDR: you need a new browser, as Alix has mentioned above. If this link doesn't function, then you'll have to try downloading from a different computer with a more up-to-date browser and copy it over with a USB drive or such.

Your best course of action would be to download High Sierra and prepare a USB installer on another, functional computer first, then install on the 2011 MBP. Apple's instructions for this: https://support.apple.com/101578

It's lame, but nowadays it's become fairly difficult to bootstrap an installation (of even older OS versions) without a relatively newer OS somewhere in the setup process.

I just erased my SSD for a clean start after a very buggy mac.
Like I say I was happy with High Sierra, apart from the fact I Couod not use WHATSAP app on my MBP or certain programs like the new ABLETON 12. Tbh I am just going to install High Sierra then.
That's not necessarily a bug nor the fault of Apple either.

Ableton Live 12 is built with a requirement for macOS 11 Big Sur or later (from the Ableton Live page, section "System Requirements"). WhatsApp has the same requirement.

Developers usually do this to take advantage of newer platform features and save time testing with older OS versions. Though it is certainly possible for them to only leverage newer platform features on said newer platforms, while providing a limited feature set on older OS versions, few developers care to put in the time and effort for this.

So at some point you're often forced into either staying put with an older version of software or upgrading your hardware. OpenCore can mitigate this to some extent, but in the future it's very likely that the only Apple-supported Macs will be Apple Silicon ones, and so you'll need an AS chip if you want to enjoy the latest software (most devs won't keep Intel Macs lying around as the userbase shrinks, just as they don't keep PPCs any more).

This problem isn't exclusive to Apple/macOS either. Many Windows apps will straight up refuse to work on versions lesser than Windows 11 or 10.
 
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It's less to do with Apple or Safari, and more the decisions of site owners.

A long time ago, SSL was invented to secure web traffic. Then people discovered it was flawed and so SSLv3 arrived. Then the story repeated with TLS 1.0, TLS 1.1, and TLS 1.2 (and will inevitably repeat with TLS 1.3).

Because of security vulnerabilities in older versions of SSL/TLS, many site owners outright disable transmission using these protocols. It's common for sites to require TLS 1.1 (or TLS 1.2) or later nowadays.

This is a problem because the dated version of Safari you're using likely only goes up to TLS 1.0, so will fail to communicate with sites demanding newer versions. You might have luck changing "https://" to "http://" in these cases, but it's fairly likely sites have forced HTTPS on.

Additionally, even when communication is possible, many web devs nowadays completely forgo philosophies such as progressive enhancement (where even dated browsers can render something, even if it's not totally featureful/flashy), so you're very likely to encounter script errors before anything has a chance to be rendered.

TLDR: you need a new browser, as Alix has mentioned above. If this link doesn't function, then you'll have to try downloading from a different computer with a more up-to-date browser and copy it over with a USB drive or such.

Your best course of action would be to download High Sierra and prepare a USB installer on another, functional computer first, then install on the 2011 MBP. Apple's instructions for this: https://support.apple.com/101578

It's lame, but nowadays it's become fairly difficult to bootstrap an installation (of even older OS versions) without a relatively newer OS somewhere in the setup process.



That's not necessarily a bug nor the fault of Apple either.

Ableton Live 12 is built with a requirement for macOS 11 Big Sur or later (from the Ableton Live page, section "System Requirements"). WhatsApp has the same requirement.

Developers usually do this to take advantage of newer platform features and save time testing with older OS versions. Though it is certainly possible for them to only leverage newer platform features on said newer platforms, while providing a limited feature set on older OS versions, few developers care to put in the time and effort for this.

So at some point you're often forced into either staying put with an older version of software or upgrading your hardware. OpenCore can mitigate this to some extent, but in the future it's very likely that the only Apple-supported Macs will be Apple Silicon ones, and so you'll need an AS chip if you want to enjoy the latest software (most devs won't keep Intel Macs lying around as the userbase shrinks, just as they don't keep PPCs any more).

This problem isn't exclusive to Apple/macOS either. Many Windows apps will straight up refuse to work on versions lesser than Windows 11 or 10.
Thanks for the info. Puts things into perspective. Guess I’ll stop bashing Steve and Apple then.
I guess my only hope is this USB install.

Before I installed Lion I had the option to install High Sierra. As it was what was last on there. That was if I held CMD OPTION R. I forget why I installed Lion now on CMD R. I really wish I had installed High Sierra now.
Will this still be available now if I restart Mac and hold CMD OPTION R??
 

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I guess after using HS for so long it just looks clunky and not very elegant. Like the face on the library icon is goofy.
I didn't go through the whole thread, but why don't you download Sierra from
macOS Sierra on the Mac App StoreApplehttps://apps.apple.com › app › macos-sierra and then upgrade to high Sierra from macOS High Sierra on the Mac App StoreApplehttps://apps.apple.com › app › macos-high-sierra
(High Sierra requires at least 10.8) Mountain Lion.
 
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mrk123

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I didn't go through the whole thread, but why don't you download Sierra from
macOS Sierra on the Mac App StoreApplehttps://apps.apple.com › app › macos-sierra and then upgrade to high Sierra from macOS High Sierra on the Mac App StoreApplehttps://apps.apple.com › app › macos-high-sierra
(High Sierra requires at least 10.8) Mountain Lion.
Because I can’t even access any website because my safari is so out of date. App Store won’t work and I can’t access any sites. So I can’t even download any other browsers. Nothing. Going to look into trying to install a browser via usb but not feeling hopeful with it.
 

mrk123

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It's less to do with Apple or Safari, and more the decisions of site owners.

A long time ago, SSL was invented to secure web traffic. Then people discovered it was flawed and so SSLv3 arrived. Then the story repeated with TLS 1.0, TLS 1.1, and TLS 1.2 (and will inevitably repeat with TLS 1.3).

Because of security vulnerabilities in older versions of SSL/TLS, many site owners outright disable transmission using these protocols. It's common for sites to require TLS 1.1 (or TLS 1.2) or later nowadays.

This is a problem because the dated version of Safari you're using likely only goes up to TLS 1.0, so will fail to communicate with sites demanding newer versions. You might have luck changing "https://" to "http://" in these cases, but it's fairly likely sites have forced HTTPS on.

Additionally, even when communication is possible, many web devs nowadays completely forgo philosophies such as progressive enhancement (where even dated browsers can render something, even if it's not totally featureful/flashy), so you're very likely to encounter script errors before anything has a chance to be rendered.

TLDR: you need a new browser, as Alix has mentioned above. If this link doesn't function, then you'll have to try downloading from a different computer with a more up-to-date browser and copy it over with a USB drive or such.

Your best course of action would be to download High Sierra and prepare a USB installer on another, functional computer first, then install on the 2011 MBP. Apple's instructions for this: https://support.apple.com/101578

It's lame, but nowadays it's become fairly difficult to bootstrap an installation (of even older OS versions) without a relatively newer OS somewhere in the setup process.



That's not necessarily a bug nor the fault of Apple either.

Ableton Live 12 is built with a requirement for macOS 11 Big Sur or later (from the Ableton Live page, section "System Requirements"). WhatsApp has the same requirement.

Developers usually do this to take advantage of newer platform features and save time testing with older OS versions. Though it is certainly possible for them to only leverage newer platform features on said newer platforms, while providing a limited feature set on older OS versions, few developers care to put in the time and effort for this.

So at some point you're often forced into either staying put with an older version of software or upgrading your hardware. OpenCore can mitigate this to some extent, but in the future it's very likely that the only Apple-supported Macs will be Apple Silicon ones, and so you'll need an AS chip if you want to enjoy the latest software (most devs won't keep Intel Macs lying around as the userbase shrinks, just as they don't keep PPCs any more).

This problem isn't exclusive to Apple/macOS either. Many Windows apps will straight up refuse to work on versions lesser than Windows 11 or 10.
Rather than using a usb drive to instal a browser that works and I not best just trying to download High Sierra onto a usb drive and install that from fresh?
Or as I asked above, my Mac was allowing me to install High Sierra if I pressed CMD OPTION R but I forget why I chose LION now. There was a reason I didn’t.
Can I either download High Sierra on usb and install or can I still use CMD OPTION R to do this high Sierra install?

Will this work?


I bought my mum a Mac book air a while ago, but I don’t think it’s that new. Maybe 2015/2016. Not. Sue what oS is on it. Do we know if it will allow me to download OS and does it have to be a mac?


Just seen this. Guess it’s what I need to do. I don’t have a spare usb laying around. I have an external SSD which is full of files and a a smaller little
Usb clip which is full of music for my car. I see you have to format this drive you use as Mac so I’d need a completely free usb drive won’t I?
 
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I’ve seen a 15 inch 2012 running Sonoma dual boot with Catalina for 150 bucks. I might just get that and transplant my 16gb and my 1tb SSD over? Will that be possible?
My 2011 is very very beat up to be honest. Here’s a pic just for the comedy value. 😂 You not seen the ubderside
 

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