Logic Audio IS OUT FOR OSX

[Pepzhez]

Yeah, I've been wondering the same thing about the USB extensions in OS X. We all know that the story from Apple has been that "extension conflicts just don't occur in OS X", but how true is that, really? I've never read anything about this issue. Has anyone else come across any info on this matter?

For example, I could tell during the Jaguar install that it was tossing a ton of extensions onto the HD - all manner of printer extensions that I'll never need. And who knows what else. I can't help but wonder that having so many extensions you neither want nor need on your system can only be a bad thing. Or is that just the conditioning I received from years of using OS 7-9?

Does anyone know anything about this?

 

[tjwett]

i just spent a little while digging thru my system folder and found a ton of crap that i don't want. from what i can see there is no way of getting rid of them without getting the message "System cannot be modified". maybe it could be done thru the Unix terminal but i've not a clue what to do in there.

 

[Wry Cooter]

Originally posted by Pepzhez
I can't help but wonder that having so many extensions you neither want nor need on your system can only be a bad thing. Or is that just the conditioning I received from years of using OS 7-9?

Does anyone know anything about this?

They do take up hard disk space

The differences between 9 and X regarding those hidden widgets....

In X they usually load only when and if you need them.

In 9 they loaded in case you might need them.

In X if they do cause a crash, they usually only crash one program.

In 9 they pulled down the entire system.

In X they are hidden, what you can't see shouldn't worry you.

In 9 they are more easily seen in case they have been worrying you.

With both 9 and X, it is likely a fresh install might overwrite something that works, with something that doesn't work; and vice versa.

 

[nickgold]

Originally posted by Pepzhez
I still think that Apple is not entirely blameless here; you are letting them off too easily. I've been promised time and time again by Apple tech support that "the next upgrade will fix everything". 10.1.3 was supposed to cure all ills, then 10.1.5, then Jaguar, then ... who knows? At least be honest and admit that these upgrades may be somewhat farther down the line than we'd all like. It's the runaround I've been getting from Apple that ticks me off more than anything else.

I'm still convinced that OS X is the culprit when it comes to USB devices. And I really don't understand why Apple can't get this to work right when all runs smoothly under OS 9. Again, I'm not a programmer, but USB-related issues don't seem to be all that complex in the general scheme of things. Perhaps I am wrong, though.

I'm certain that it will all be straightened out eventually, but meanwhile it sure is frustrating.

How long have you been using computers? Not to dis, but your attitude sounds very newby-esque. Apple cannot promise you that all problems will be fixed with the next release, and to expect otherwise is naive, and ignorant of the way that computing works, and always has worked (and probably always will).

If OS X doesn't work for your audio setup, keep using OS 9. There's a reason Apple makes it so their machines can dual-boot without any hitches at all. Take advantage of that, and stop whining. Now is the best time ever to be using Logic on ANY platform, including OS 9.x. I mean geez, we finally get multi-outs and other greatness for VST and other virtual instruments, not to mention tooons of other f eatures that were released between 5.0 and 5.2... and people still whine like babies! It never ceases to amaze me. (But then again, I do tech support for a major computer company, and the amount of truly amazingly stupid calls we get is astounding...)

Keep using OS 9 for audio, for at least a few more months, if your setup is currently having problems under 10.2. It's not like it stopped working when this new version of Logic came out! In fact, it's working better than it ever has! Shut up already!

As for those of us having a TON of fun jamming in Logic for OS X... Rock on, and let the fun begin! I have been waiting for Logic for OS X for well over a year. Whooo! Now I just gotta wait for Absynth audiounit...

 

[tjwett]

Originally posted by nickgold
...If OS X doesn't work for your audio setup, keep using OS 9. There's a reason Apple makes it so their machines can dual-boot without any hitches at all. Take advantage of that, and stop whining. Now is the best time ever to be using Logic on ANY platform, including OS 9.x. I mean geez, we finally get multi-outs and other greatness for VST and other virtual instruments, not to mention tooons of other f eatures that were released between 5.0 and 5.2... and people still whine like babies! It never ceases to amaze me. (But then again, I do tech support for a major computer company, and the amount of truly amazingly stupid calls we get is astounding...)

Keep using OS 9 for audio, for at least a few more months, if your setup is currently having problems under 10.2. It's not like it stopped working when this new version of Logic came out! In fact, it's working better than it ever has! Shut up already!

As for those of us having a TON of fun jamming in Logic for OS X... Rock on, and let the fun begin! I have been waiting for Logic for OS X for well over a year. Whooo! Now I just gotta wait for Absynth audiounit...

that is a very good attitude to have. i was initially bummed about my Logic X issues but i'm in the process of sorting them out and after all, OS9 is sitting right there with all my plugins ready to go. although it would be nice to be totally in X i think i still have a decent wait ahead of me. so for now i'm doing general computing(email, web, etc.) in OS X and then boot into OS 9 to get some work done. no big deal. all the time i've wasted stressing about be on the cutting edge could have been better spent creating something and enjoying myself.

 

[Pepzhez]

In X they usually load only when and if you need them.

It is precisely the "usually" part that leads me to wonder whether extension conflicts can indeed occur in OS X. OS X does not give us an extension control panel because *in theory* there is no need for one. But what is the *reality* of this? I guess that it is possible that OS X could load something that could lead to a conflict.

Right now I am doing a clean, minimal install of OS 10.2. In addition to following the tips on this thread, I also will (and hope!) that the problems are solved. I can't help but think that having all those useless (for me) drivers sitting around in the HD is somehow asking for trouble at some point. So I'll eliminate some and see if that's true or not.

As for nickgold's comments ... (sigh) Why are so many people around here incapable of comprehending a text? I had mentioned several times that the instability of OS 9 is a problem for me. Go back and read what I wrote - I'm not going to reiterate here. I've also been using computer since the mid-1980's, if you'd really like to know.

As for this:

Apple cannot promise you that all problems will be fixed with the next release, and to expect otherwise is naive, and ignorant of the way that computing works, and always has worked (and probably always will).

If you read my previous posts, you'd see that this is PRECISELY what various Apple tech people have been promising me since 10.1. Granted, I've since learned not to believe a word they are saying, so I'll concede that my initial optimism was, in retrospect, rather naive. Even so, Apple shouldn't be promising fixes that are not really forthcoming "on the next update".

So why don't you "shut up already". Until and unless you learn how to actually listen to what people are saying, don't fool yourself that you're capable of forming a logical response.

 

[Wry Cooter]

FWIW, I have had more USB conflicts in 8.6 through 9.1 than I have with OS X. Most drivers, from Apple and the third parties both, were sort of going through a 'public beta' of sorts during that time (in other words, USB hell) . This includes , printers, storage (zip, CD-r), WebCams, Digital Cameras, Joysticks, game controllers, tablets, and Audio gizmos, such as Tascams US 428, which I have only tested for audio, not midi.

For what its worth, there is more 'stability' now, althought that may be a case of it either works, or doesn't work at all. Also the rough period through 8.5 - 9.x for USB made be very careful and wary regarding making sure I found the latest drivers for OS X. It really has gone more or less smooth as silk other than one of my two printers choosing to be the default, which I could change. You want the USB driver horror stories with os X, you could probably sift through Macintouch reports- mostly powerbooks, and people whose printers were orphaned. But my impression it is much less of a worry much more plug and play than it was.

I commonly keep two printers, and a scanner on the USB hub plus the keyboard and mouse, and often a mouse or tablet as well, with no problem whatsoever. Regarding USB, I am much happier with OS X. Whatever drivers are there for those devices do not seem to conflict at all, when of course, they did quite often in OS X, and you would have to set up extension sets.

Of course the problem can compound when you are really trying to flood the USB bandwidth, which is possible with audio/midi. I certainly wouldn't want to pipe more than two - four simultaneous tracks either way through USB, along with all the controller data that might be in the pipe as well, whether it is possiible or not. But Firewire outboard stuff is becoming available, although at a price.

I don't know if the following is particularly germane, but I bookmarked it just in case; they are links to apple tech notes on Jaguar, including the links to the audio and midi layer...

http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2053.html