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You're absolutely right- at the end of the day it's a job and with whatever you bring yourself to sell, even if it's quirkyfying symbolic visuals to make someone look better, customers need to take into account that designers operate by understanding and reforming malleable reinforced concepts which is not something you can learn overnight. Although practice makes things easier for a designer, there still is nevertheless a lot of invested time on behalf of designers, time that cultivates skills which creates products of function, thus a service which shouldn't be free at all.

Just how gutted would you feel if someone made an absolute fortune from a design you did that heralded nothing for you at all.....?

Believe me, it has happened more than once, it is one reason behind my cynicism.
 
I agree with DesignerOnMac, what makes anyone think it is appropriate to ask for design work for nothing, or for the empty promise of nothing? I would be curious to see what ever became of that project, it looks like the OP dropped out of site with not even a thank you for all the free brainstorming. The trade loves to dismiss illustrators, go figure. If I had a nickel for every cretin who took a swipe at one of my drawings ...

He got what he needed and ran away. Let this be a lesson to folks that invest time helping someone who asks for free design, or offers minimal compensation. Good quality logo design is based on years of experience and countless hours of concepting. If anyone trys to shortcut that, they will usually wind up with crap.

http://www.maclessons.com/
 
He got what he needed and ran away. Let this be a lesson to folks that invest time helping someone who asks for free design, or offers minimal compensation. Good quality logo design is based on years of experience and countless hours of concepting. If anyone trys to shortcut that, they will usually wind up with crap.

http://www.maclessons.com/

All "great" logos end up here ;)
 
He got what he needed and ran away. Let this be a lesson to folks that invest time helping someone who asks for free design, or offers minimal compensation. Good quality logo design is based on years of experience and countless hours of concepting. If anyone trys to shortcut that, they will usually wind up with crap.

http://www.maclessons.com/

Something tells me that based on his wording for his rates on his site that he's not too bright and not much of a business man.

IE:
Remote Access into your machine is billed at $60 with a half hour minimum.
Ok so $60 and I get at least 30 minutes but I read that as saying I get no less than 30 and as many minutes as I need.

What a maroon!
 
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