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mc3k

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Well, imagine how pissed I was when Apple basically told me and my 4 month old iPhone 4 I wasn't worthy of Siri. Or turn by turn Navigation. Or that my less than 2 year old iMac couldn't use Airplay. Or that my 18 month old iPod wasn't worthy of iOS7.

It's one thing for a company to abandon people to force them to upgrade if they want the latest and greatest features, it is quite another when a company that manufacturers chips decides to stop updating proprietary software. What do you expect Google to do in this case? There is nothing they legally can do. Of course, if people want KitKat on their Galaxy Nexus, there is nothing from stopping them from sideloading it.

I don't expect Apple or Google to support hardware that is 3 years old, like say the iPhone 3GS or Nexus S. But a phone, PC or tablet less than 1 or 2 years old, I do expect it to get the latest updates. And in that regard both Apple and Google have failed us in the past.

BTW, your comment about Galaxy Nexus not even getting 2 years of support is false. Much like some of the data in that chart above is not very truthful.

Imagine how angry I was when google went from Gingerbread to Jellybean and I couldn't get the update and still had to use task managers. Or how my verizon galaxy nexus was dropped from support. Or the fact that if I'm running jelly bean, I'll never be able to use the new features on kit kat. Or the fact that the android phone that I bought doesn't support google now.
 

cynics

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Imagine how angry I was when google went from Gingerbread to Jellybean and I couldn't get the update and still had to use task managers. Or how my verizon galaxy nexus was dropped from support. Or the fact that if I'm running jelly bean, I'll never be able to use the new features on kit kat. Or the fact that the android phone that I bought doesn't support google now.

I don't think the point of his post was to say that Android didn't have the issues that you have had but that Apple did also.

Btw blame Verizon for the gnex issues. They were withholding updates (still do). The gsm gnex was still supported from Google. Some of your examples are moot too because iOS is obviously the same way, a device stuck on iOS 6 obviously won't have iOS 7 features. However unlike iOS the core apps on Android are still getting updates sooooo you are technically making Apple sound worse in a roundabout way.
 

Menneisyys2

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As for this ram debate with iOS devices, I think it depends on what you do with your devices. I go on the net, do shopping, watch videos, play a few games and listen to music. For that 512 mb of ram is sufficient. On my android devices, 1 GB of ram is a struggle. 2GB of ram gives me the same performance on android as I get from 512 mb on iOS.

1GB of RAM is VERY little if you use more than one tab in Safari on a Retina iPad.

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Guys, also add the fact that many "cook" for even the oldest Android hardware. For example, my 2010 GS1 has 4.1.2 and runs it pretty well.

That is, even if there's no official firmware update for your particular model, you can still trust cooks and use their unofficial, but, in most cases, working upgrades.

Rhetoric question: what about the iOS "unofficial" upgrade scene? Any iOS7 upgrades for the 3GS / iPt4, for example?
 

mc3k

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Dec 5, 2013
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I don't think the point of his post was to say that Android didn't have the issues that you have had but that Apple did also.

Btw blame Verizon for the gnex issues. They were withholding updates (still do). The gsm gnex was still supported from Google. Some of your examples are moot too because iOS is obviously the same way, a device stuck on iOS 6 obviously won't have iOS 7 features. However unlike iOS the core apps on Android are still getting updates sooooo you are technically making Apple sound worse in a roundabout way.

No...actually it's saying that while Apple devices get access to most of the new features for a long time, the same doesn't hold true with Android...at all. Google Now wasn't released for ICS! 42.8% of Android devices are still stuck on ICS and Gingerbread. These 2 OSes have unpatched bugs and vulnerabilities that will never get addressed while Apple products, for the most part, are running the latest versions.

Going from the 4S to the 5S misses what exactly? Fingerprint reader, LTE, better cameras, processors and larger screens. You still get 90% of the improved features and software that were included in the iOS releases. Even including the iPhone 4, you add Siri and turn by turn. Considering the gap between ICS and KitKat, that's not a huge list especially keeping in mind all of the vulnerabilities of ICS.

ICS was released in 2011 and iPhone 4 was release in June of 2010.
 

gotluck

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No...actually it's saying that while Apple devices get access to most of the new features for a long time, the same doesn't hold true with Android...at all. Google Now wasn't released for ICS! 42.8% of Android devices are still stuck on ICS and Gingerbread. These 2 OSes have unpatched bugs and vulnerabilities that will never get addressed while Apple products, for the most part, are running the latest versions.

Going from the 4S to the 5S misses what exactly? Fingerprint reader, LTE, better cameras, processors and larger screens. You still get 90% of the improved features and software that were included in the iOS releases. Even including the iPhone 4, you add Siri and turn by turn. Considering the gap between ICS and KitKat, that's not a huge list especially keeping in mind all of the vulnerabilities of ICS.

ICS was released in 2011 and iPhone 4 was release in June of 2010.
The iPhone 4 really sucks on ios 7 though. Apples approach is not perfect either.
 

cube

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That's 7 devices if we're talking just phones

nexus 5
nexus 4
gs 4 GE
htc one GE
moto x
moto g
regular htc one

some pretty good choice there

you should have known not to expect updates on a verizon android phone :p especially a nexus

What choice? Show only the phones that have both a memory card slot and a removable battery.
 

DodgeV83

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Guys, also add the fact that many "cook" for even the oldest Android hardware. For example, my 2010 GS1 has 4.1.2 and runs it pretty well.

That is, even if there's no official firmware update for your particular model, you can still trust cooks and use their unofficial, but, in most cases, working upgrades.

Rhetoric question: what about the iOS "unofficial" upgrade scene? Any iOS7 upgrades for the 3GS / iPt4, for example?

The idea of taking an unofficial operating system, found by a random poster on message forum, and using it to replace the OS on the one device that has more of your personal information than any other, is the antithesis of security.

If someone on a message forum posted a NEW SUPER COOL version of Windows that promised more features and better speed, with lower system requirements, I don't think you'd use it to replace the OS on your laptop. If someone on a message forum posts a .exe file, I don't think you'd run it.
 

gotluck

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The idea of taking an unofficial operating system, found by a random poster on message forum, and using it to replace the OS on the one device that has more of your personal information than any other, is the antithesis of security.

If someone on a message forum posted a NEW SUPER COOL version of Windows that promised more features and better speed, with lower system requirements, I don't think you'd use it to replace the OS on your laptop. If someone on a message forum posts a .exe file, I don't think you'd run it.

You don't give xda enough credit. Hope your tin foil hat is nice and tight. Windows is closed source bad analogy.
 

cube

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Well well looks like gs4 GE for you. I love mine.

That wasn't a requirement of his though. It's not like you can get that on ios.

But I can get it on BB10, which started including a 2.3 runtime, and now is at 4.2.2

3 out of 5 BB10 devices have both features.
 

blackhand1001

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The idea of taking an unofficial operating system, found by a random poster on message forum, and using it to replace the OS on the one device that has more of your personal information than any other, is the antithesis of security.

If someone on a message forum posted a NEW SUPER COOL version of Windows that promised more features and better speed, with lower system requirements, I don't think you'd use it to replace the OS on your laptop. If someone on a message forum posts a .exe file, I don't think you'd run it.

The entire source code for cyanogenmod is available and you can see every code change as it happens on review.cyanogenmod.org

And theres tons of tin foil hat people on that develop for CM so theres no added backdoors or those people would freak.
 

gotluck

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It's not perfect but it sure is much better than the android alternative... :)

Not IMO I'd rather be able to downgrade back to iOS 6 or 5 which you can do on android.

IOS 7 + iPhone 4 = time to buy a new phone.

Much better... Haha.

I'm sorry you bought a Verizon android phone with the expectation of getting updates though. You're blaming the wrong party. Verizon is just as much of a control freak as apple.
 
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gotluck

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KitKat+any 3 year old Android phone =Oh wait, no way to even do that!

Only 1% of Android phones even run the current OS which has been available for months now :rolleyes:

My point is at least the older android device retain their functionality...

And yes you can if you visit xda. Of course things will be broken. Just like iPhone 4 iOS 7. But its not forced and you can rollback.

Feels good to be part of the 1% anyway :p
 

WilliamBateman

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My point is at least the older android device retain their functionality...

And yes you can if you visit xda. Of course things will be broken. Just like iPhone 4 iOS 7. But its not forced and you can rollback.

Feels good to be part of the 1% anyway :p

How is iOS 7 forced on you? I was just at lunch with my friend a few days ago and she was still running iOS 6 on her iPhone 5. Said she hasn't had any issues, she just ignores the update notices.

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Feels good to be part of the 1% anyway :p

I notice zero difference between 4.4 on my Moto X and 4.3 on my Note 3. Its just for bragging rights, like phone specs.
 

Menneisyys2

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How is iOS 7 forced on you? I was just at lunch with my friend a few days ago and she was still running iOS 6 on her iPhone 5. Said she hasn't had any issues, she just ignores the update notices.

Let's see what happens when she is forced to do a full restore... Or her phone is exchanged to a new one...
 

Lloydbm41

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How is iOS 7 forced on you? I was just at lunch with my friend a few days ago and she was still running iOS 6 on her iPhone 5. Said she hasn't had any issues, she just ignores the update notices.

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I notice zero difference between 4.4 on my Moto X and 4.3 on my Note 3. Its just for bragging rights, like phone specs.
Most of the differences are under the hood. You won't see them.
 

gotluck

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How is iOS 7 forced on you? I was just at lunch with my friend a few days ago and she was still running iOS 6 on her iPhone 5. Said she hasn't had any issues, she just ignores the update notices.

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I notice zero difference between 4.4 on my Moto X and 4.3 on my Note 3. Its just for bragging rights, like phone specs.

She can never restore as already stated and she is wasting significant HDD space on the update awaiting installation.

ART in 4.4 is a large improvement over 4.3 IMO. Getting rid of dalvik has been a long awaited event.

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well seeing as how my Note 3 does everything faster, I guess its not that big of a deal for the upgrade.

The processor would love to say something about that - note 3 processor is ~2 generations ahead of moto x.
 

WilliamBateman

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The processor would love to say something about that - note 3 processor is ~2 gens ahead of moto x.

You are right and thats why this whole campaign about specs not mattering when you are running a stock (or near stock) version of Android reviewers and people are spouting off about is silly. Faster/newer processors will always win. Its only 1 generation ahead. 800>600
 

gotluck

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You are right and thats why this whole campaign about specs not mattering when you are running a stock (or near stock) version of Android reviewers and people are spouting off about is silly. Faster/newer processors will always win. Its only 1 generation ahead. 800>600

Its technically an s4 pro with 2 krait 300 cores from the s600. More like a dual core s600. Not same as gs4 or HTC ones quad s600.
 

WilliamBateman

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Its technically an s4 pro with 2 krait 300 cores from the s600. More like a dual core s600. Not same as gs4 or HTC ones quad s600.

Ah, you are right, good point. Probably returning it anyways. Too much screen space taken up by the buttons and Chrome can't do full screen AFAIK, so the notification bar takes up even more screen. Makes it real near iPhone 5s sized of usable screen real estate.
 
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