Lookie lookie....iPhone longevity

[gotluck]

Ah, you are right, good point. Probably returning it anyways. Too much screen space taken up by the buttons and Chrome can't do full screen AFAIK, so the notification bar takes up even more screen. Makes it real near iPhone 5s sized of usable screen real estate.

I'm not trying to knock moto x though. I'm a fan. If they had the sale back when it launched I would have bought it. Yea I think what you're looking for requires rooted tweaks. I know spinedoc from here was doing something similar on his g2.

 

[mc3k]

Not IMO I'd rather be able to downgrade back to iOS 6 or 5 which you can do on android.

IOS 7 + iPhone 4 = time to buy a new phone.

Much better... Haha.

I'm sorry you bought a Verizon android phone with the expectation of getting updates though. You're blaming the wrong party. Verizon is just as much of a control freak as apple.

I'd rather get the updates and have my phone supported with new features and security fixes than to have it left in the junk pile like 43% of android phones.

Nexus 2 + No updates = 0 and time to get a new phone. (nexus 2 came out at the same time as iPhone 4)

 

[gotluck]

I'd rather get the updates and have my phone supported with new features and security fixes than to have it left in the junk pile like 43% of android phones.

Nexus 2 + No updates = 0 and time to get a new phone. (nexus 2 came out at the same time as iPhone 4)

IPhone 4 didn't get any new features though its just bogged down... No nexus ever received no updates at all I dont know what you're talking about. If you're still going on about verizons chokehold... Meh you just dont get it.

 

[Lloydbm41]

I'd rather get the updates and have my phone supported with new features and security fixes than to have it left in the junk pile like 43% of android phones.

Nexus 2 + No updates = 0 and time to get a new phone. (nexus 2 came out at the same time as iPhone 4)

I would like to know what a Nexus 2 is?

Maybe you meant Nexus 'S'? Hard to take one seriously that doesn't know the subject matter.

 

[DodgeV83]

The entire source code for cyanogenmod is available and you can see every code change as it happens on review.cyanogenmod.org

And theres tons of tin foil hat people on that develop for CM so theres no added backdoors or those people would freak.

1. You're assuming the roms for the old phones mentioned are from Cynogenmod. Not all of them are.

2. You're assuming the full source code for the roms in question are posted. Not all of them are.

3. You're assuming nothing extra has been added to these roms, from the uncompiled source, to the compiled file posted in the forum.

Did you download and compile the same source from the repository that was used in the specific rom posted, and compare it to what was posted in the forum? Without that, having the "source" available is meaningless, because you have no evidence that it hasn't been modified outside of the repository before your download.

 

[blackhand1001]

1. You're assuming the roms for the old phones mentioned are from Cynogenmod. Not all of them are.

2. You're assuming the full source code for the roms in question are posted. Not all of them are.

3. You're assuming nothing extra has been added to these roms, from the uncompiled source, to the compiled file posted in the forum.

Did you download and compile the same source from the repository that was used in the specific rom posted, and compare it to what was posted in the forum? Without that, having the "source" available is meaningless, because you have no evidence that it hasn't been modified outside of the repository before your download.

Losen your tin foil hat a little. And I have in fact compiled cyanogenmod myself. I use all nexus devices so I never have to worry about the lack of good roms.

 

[gotluck]

1. You're assuming the roms for the old phones mentioned are from Cynogenmod. Not all of them are.

2. You're assuming the full source code for the roms in question are posted. Not all of them are.

3. You're assuming nothing extra has been added to these roms, from the uncompiled source, to the compiled file posted in the forum.

Did you download and compile the same source from the repository that was used in the specific rom posted, and compare it to what was posted in the forum? Without that, having the "source" available is meaningless, because you have no evidence that it hasn't been modified outside of the repository before your download.

So you really think recognized devs from xda port roms to older devices with the express purpose of nefarious activity? I'm inclined to trust the more recognized/known devs more than large corps such as apple or google.

 

[Oletros]

1. You're assuming the roms for the old phones mentioned are from Cynogenmod. Not all of them are.

2. You're assuming the full source code for the roms in question are posted. Not all of them are.

3. You're assuming nothing extra has been added to these roms, from the uncompiled source, to the compiled file posted in the forum.

Did you download and compile the same source from the repository that was used in the specific rom posted, and compare it to what was posted in the forum? Without that, having the "source" available is meaningless, because you have no evidence that it hasn't been modified outside of the repository before your download.

Has anyone checked that the compiler outputs what the source code states?

 

[SlCKB0Y]

1. You're assuming the roms for the old phones mentioned are from Cynogenmod. Not all of them are.

2. You're assuming the full source code for the roms in question are posted. Not all of them are.

3. You're assuming nothing extra has been added to these roms, from the uncompiled source, to the compiled file posted in the forum.

Did you download and compile the same source from the repository that was used in the specific rom posted, and compare it to what was posted in the forum? Without that, having the "source" available is meaningless, because you have no evidence that it hasn't been modified outside of the repository before your download.

Running any binary requires a certain level of trust. If you're that paranoid, find a rom which does publish source, audit the code and compile it yourself. Pretty obvious really.

 

[Lloydbm41]

Running any binary requires a certain level of trust. If you're that paranoid, find a rom which does publish source, audit the code and compile it yourself. Pretty obvious really.

So you really think recognized devs from xda port roms to older devices with the express purpose of nefarious activity? I'm inclined to trust the more recognized/known devs more than large corps such as apple or google.

Losen your tin foil hat a little. And I have in fact compiled cyanogenmod myself. I use all nexus devices so I never have to worry about the lack of good roms.

Best to ignore posts like DodgeV83. It isn't going to do any good to argue with people like him. They have their 'views' regarding Apple's iOS and anything 'not' Apple, and they will always view the latter as evil.

 

[DodgeV83]

Losen your tin foil hat a little. And I have in fact compiled cyanogenmod myself. I use all nexus devices so I never have to worry about the lack of good roms.

That's great! It's good that you have both the technical knowledge and the wherewithal to compile from a known good source. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people don't, and in many cases it is not possible to do so.

Feel free to prove anything I've said wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm standing on solid factual ground here.

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So you really think recognized devs from xda port roms to older devices with the express purpose of nefarious activity? I'm inclined to trust the more recognized/known devs more than large corps such as apple or google.

I am asserting that it is not good security practice to run binaries found from unofficial sources on a message forum. I am much more strongly against this practice when the download in question is a replacement for your entire operating system. Feel free to argue that point if you'd like, but first, consider what makes these devs "recognized" and "trusted" in your mind. A year or two of good behavior with posting roms?

Think of all the high-profile attacks that have happened, especially lately. You ask if I really think they would do this, while I ask:

* Do you really think there are no hacker groups out there who aren't dedicated enough to spend a year posting useful roms to build credibility?

* Do you know how much money could be made from the personal information/credit card numbers/social security numbers...etc, held on our phones? The number is measured in billions a year, and that's in the U.S. alone.

I wouldn't trust an otherwise random username on a message forum with something so critical, especially when violating my trust could make him/her a millionaire.

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Running any binary requires a certain level of trust. If you're that paranoid, find a rom which does publish source, audit the code and compile it yourself. Pretty obvious really.

I wish it were that simple. Let's look at the most popular, best-case scanerio, Cynogenmod. From what I can see, there are over a hundred commits to Cynogenmod a day. On one particular Cynogenmod release for an older phone, there were only 4 watchers subscribed to that particular branch of code. By my count, there are over 200 devices currently officially supported, and many that aren't.

Even in the best-case scenario, it seems to be a risky endeavor.

 

[gotluck]

Xda has a pretty good way of letting you get to know peoples track record. They actually to have a 'recognized dev ' class. It is not total anarchy like you describe. You keep using the word random. Its obvious you dont follow any android roms because they usually dont come from random people with no history.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're right either.

I also dont understand how someone would steal millions of dollars from you by getting access to your phone. You run ACH batches on your phone or something ?

The more notoriety a Dev gains the more people audit their work. You have to remember you are dealing with neckbeards here.

Exposing nefarious activity like you are describing can make careers.

Yes indeed there is risk involved. Just like there is when you connect your device to the internet itself. When you check your bank account on iOS too. The internet essentially is risk.

 

[Vegastouch]

That's great! It's good that you have both the technical knowledge and the wherewithal to compile from a known good source. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people don't, and in many cases it is not possible to do so.

Feel free to prove anything I've said wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm standing on solid factual ground here.

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I am asserting that it is not good security practice to run binaries found from unofficial sources on a message forum. I am much more strongly against this practice when the download in question is a replacement for your entire operating system. Feel free to argue that point if you'd like, but first, consider what makes these devs "recognized" and "trusted" in your mind. A year or two of good behavior with posting roms?

Think of all the high-profile attacks that have happened, especially lately. You ask if I really think they would do this, while I ask:

* Do you really think there are no hacker groups out there who aren't dedicated enough to spend a year posting useful roms to build credibility?

* Do you know how much money could be made from the personal information/credit card numbers/social security numbers...etc, held on our phones? The number is measured in billions a year, and that's in the U.S. alone.

I wouldn't trust an otherwise random username on a message forum with something so critical, especially when violating my trust could make him/her a millionaire.

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I wish it were that simple. Let's look at the most popular, best-case scanerio, Cynogenmod. From what I can see, there are over a hundred commits to Cynogenmod a day. On one particular Cynogenmod release for an older phone, there were only 4 watchers subscribed to that particular branch of code. By my count, there are over 200 devices currently officially supported, and many that aren't.

Even in the best-case scenario, it seems to be a risky endeavor.

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You have been over this time and time again. You give and get the same arguments over and over again. It is plain to see you dont go there and engage in anything over there or try any ROMs so why do you keep repeating yourself on this topic?

OK, you dont trust the ROMs. Cynogenmod has been around for a while now. If your paranoid about that then your never going to get over it.
You use a iPhone anyways so who cares? Nobody is asking you to use them and you cant on your iPhone so why do you care what anybody else does? You dont like them, great. Keep using your 20 different camera apps.

 

[mc3k]

Xda has a pretty good way of letting you get to know peoples track record. They actually to have a 'recognized dev ' class. It is not total anarchy like you describe. You keep using the word random. Its obvious you dont follow any android roms because they usually dont come from random people with no history.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're right either.

I also dont understand how someone would steal millions of dollars from you by getting access to your phone. You run ACH batches on your phone or something ?

The more notoriety a Dev gains the more people audit their work. You have to remember you are dealing with neckbeards here.

Exposing nefarious activity like you are describing can make careers.

Yes indeed there is risk involved. Just like there is when you connect your device to the internet itself. When you check your bank account on iOS too. The internet essentially is risk.

Why are you on macrumors?

 

[Vegastouch]

Why are you on macrumors?

You do know you are in the "Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices" section dont you?
Maybe you dont since you just signed up.

 

[gotluck]

Why are you on macrumors?

Have an iPad air as well. Like to keep up with all tech. This sub forum is a nice perspective as well