Having made the jump from an iPad Air 5th gen, the M4 Pro 11 inch is a real shocker in every way to me. The only thing I dislike about it is the requirement to buy a new Magic Keyboard. I fail to see how this version of the iPad is a “flop”.
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iPad Pro Looks like M4 iPad Pro is a bit of a flop on a relative basis (Apple earnings)
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Both the iPhone and iPad are now "mature" products with, as you say, generally incremental updates. If a lower priced model meets your needs there is no reason to buy a more expensive model.
I guess the only problem the iPad Pro has is .... that the standard iPad is too good. Yes, it's a shockingly amazing device seeing and using it first hand. Yes, the screen is something else. Yes, it really is that thin.
But! there is hardly if anything the general public would do on such a device they can't do a standard iPad, and the professional crowd that would "need" it is vanishingly small. For everyone the standard iPad as a companion device really is good enough. Unless they actually make it a viable Laptop replacement (and no, it isn't) .... it'll remain a niche product. And so far Apple has chosen to keep it that way for probably good reasons - at least from their perspective.
Basically: if you can or want to cough up the price, especially for the shockingly good nano display option .... it's leap and bounds ahead of anything else. But it's nothing you need. It's something you'd want. And something that doesn't come for "free" with your carrier and that isn't a status symbol like the iPhone .... you simply don't want enough to cough up the money for in most cases.
But! there is hardly if anything the general public would do on such a device they can't do a standard iPad, and the professional crowd that would "need" it is vanishingly small. For everyone the standard iPad as a companion device really is good enough. Unless they actually make it a viable Laptop replacement (and no, it isn't) .... it'll remain a niche product. And so far Apple has chosen to keep it that way for probably good reasons - at least from their perspective.
Basically: if you can or want to cough up the price, especially for the shockingly good nano display option .... it's leap and bounds ahead of anything else. But it's nothing you need. It's something you'd want. And something that doesn't come for "free" with your carrier and that isn't a status symbol like the iPhone .... you simply don't want enough to cough up the money for in most cases.
It’s a mainstay in my workflow but I do agree.
Other than a few fancier features, my M4 iPad Pro doesn’t really do anything differently than my brother's $350 10th gen iPad. It's a nice product, but most people aren’t going to pay the premium for it when a $350 iPad or even the 5 year old M1 iPad Pro are perfect for them.
hardware is fine. apple just need to give it a some more powerful OS features. there's no reason it can't run a proper desktop like a Mac, not this stage manager garbage. there's no reason apps need to be terminated if running in the background while on AC power.
The iPad pro as a tablet is fantastic, but when plugged through an external monitor, it still an overall not so good experience. I don't want macOS on it, but at least a proper solution that it feels like a computer when plugged to a monitor like a proper mouse icon and not this unusable circle icon that isn't precise at all. I need my games to be full screen and the ability to be in clamshell mode. It's kind of ridiculous that I prefer to use my steam deck on desktop mode (basically its linux) as a portable computer solution when plugged to a monitor rather than my way more expensive iPad pro. At least with my Steam deck I have a real desktop experience on the monitor. That's literally the only thing I ask. Oh and no simultaneous audio is also another drawback on iPad in general that stop me to consider it other than just a consumption device.
Too expensive for what it does. At the core it doesn't really do much different than the 10th Generation iPad. Then if you want the keyboard with it you're looking at MacBook Pro level prices, at which point, just get a MacBook. It's a beautiful device but I've never been able to justify the price in my mind. There's always a better use of the extra dollars on other electronics.
Yeah this is a bunch of crap. Anyone who knows pricing and the market knows the lower priced parts sell more. Entry level way oversells in general, and Cook himself said in the call it wasn't Pro driving the revenue but Air instead, which makes sense. Most consumers are price conscious.
I don’t know if the M4 iPad has been a financial flop for Apple or not. If so, I’d think it’s due to the pricing taking such a jump. Not only the iPad itself, but the accessories (Magic Keyboard case $299 - 11 inch) and the need for most to buy a new Apple Pencil.
Now, I just upgraded my 11 inch 256GB M1 WiFi iPad Pro to the 11 inch base model M4 ($849), found a Magic Keyboard Case and Pencil Pro (both Open Box-Excellent at Best Buy: $192 and $90 and that’s still a lot: $1,130 🙀. But, I’m selling my M1 iPad Saturday for $525. Then, I’m going to try and sell the Magic Keyboard case for the M1 and the Pencil 2: $175 and $50. So, maybe I’ll net proceeds of $750 on the M1 & accessories and be looking at a net $380 for the upgrade. I’m okay with that.
Sure the base iPad can do almost everything the Pro can do. But, the pro does it better. Sounds better, scrolling is better, display is better, etc, etc, etc…. Many things that add to the user experience that I’m willing to pay up for…to an extent
Now, I just upgraded my 11 inch 256GB M1 WiFi iPad Pro to the 11 inch base model M4 ($849), found a Magic Keyboard Case and Pencil Pro (both Open Box-Excellent at Best Buy: $192 and $90 and that’s still a lot: $1,130 🙀. But, I’m selling my M1 iPad Saturday for $525. Then, I’m going to try and sell the Magic Keyboard case for the M1 and the Pencil 2: $175 and $50. So, maybe I’ll net proceeds of $750 on the M1 & accessories and be looking at a net $380 for the upgrade. I’m okay with that.
Sure the base iPad can do almost everything the Pro can do. But, the pro does it better. Sounds better, scrolling is better, display is better, etc, etc, etc…. Many things that add to the user experience that I’m willing to pay up for…to an extent
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Lots of people here have biased opinion just because they need validation for their shiny device, lol.
Lots of people on here have well reasoned opinions because they know what they like and want.
How funny of you. And judgmental of others.
I also had early iPads. Off the top of my head, I came up with a few things I am doing now that I couldn't with those early iPads:
- Edit & publish 4K video using LumaFusion (or even play 4K video)
- Process 40MB RAW images in Lightroom
- Attach & utilize fast external storage
- Use my iPad with my 4K monitor
- Perform LiDAR scans
- Utilize high-speed 5G mobile connections
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That’s just simply not true. What you’re saying is the equivalent of saying “I don't care what anyone says, but other than being able to buy a drink or take a wiz while in-flight, which I never do, an airplane today does nothing differently than that flown by Orville and Wilbur Wright, and I’ve seen them both take off and land”. Does that make any sense?
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Outside of tech enthusiasts, the iPad pros mass market appeal is arguably as niche as the Vision Pro. That is probably Apple should look at and maybe reevaluate iPadOS capabilities.
Your fingers seem to have a mind of their own. They care enough to reply😉
Is it? Or it's rather a bunch of crap when people makes statements like yours with no data to back it up, while mine was based on statistcs.... Look them for yourself and you'll find them...
That makes it clear why your usage is so limited. You're not interested in learning through conversation but rather you're just performing a soliloquy.
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My two previous iPads were iPadPros as I wanted the 12.9” display. They also had accompanying cases with keyboards (Logitech in my situation) that worked/works very, very well for me. Now that the iPadAir comes in a 13” display size, that’ll likely be my next iPad replacing my current refurb’d iPadPro(4th gen). But even that will be a year or so after introduction as I’ll get one from the refurb’d store when they become available. That’s just me though.
No, it’s not.
Even putting aside capabilities, the iPad Pro can be found at third parties for as low as $700-800.
And people, regular people, purchase and use them every day.
Agree. And the cost of the Pro line, while high, is eclipsed by the Vision Pro. I'm a retired engineer and heavily invested in tech gear (e.g., I use the 13" M4), but even though I could afford it, the Vision Pro is far beyond what I'm willing to spend.