My Late 2006 iMac still gets used daily. Old Macs don't become obsolete when Apple wants them to.
yes they become, if you are an iOS / Mac developer, needing the latest Xcode
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MP 1,1-5,1 Looks like the 5,1 fire sale has started.
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yes they become, if you are an iOS / Mac developer, needing the latest Xcode
The real fire sale will start when Apple makes a tiny change to the build files for Catalina, and starts to optimize for AVX.
With one minor change, it will become next to impossible to run Catalina on a cMP.
With one minor change, it will become next to impossible to run Catalina on a cMP.
As I mentioned in the post you responded to: I just purchased a PowerMac 7300 for a specific use case. Does that mean Aiden's "run away" statement is incorrect for that system?
Good point regarding Xcode, but you can run a newer version of MacOS in a VM, so all hope is not lost even for that use case.yes they become, if you are an iOS / Mac developer, needing the latest Xcode
Thank you (and @tsialex) for pointing out the edge cases where people need to have vintage systems to run vintage software.
For people who want the current, updated, secure Apple OSX - the expiration date on the cMP is here. Heroic efforts to work around Apple's attempts to block installation on a cMP will be worthless if the AVX compiler option is turned on.
That was the intent of my post, to demonstrate that just because there are specific use cases doesn't mean your statement wasn't applicable.
Yes i am already running catalina in vmware fusion, it is not optimal but ... it will do the job probably!
Me neither. I'll retain it as a team render machine for Cinema 4D and maybe also an After Effects render farm for network rendering. It'll roll on for a few years yet.
My Macs become obsolete when security updates are no longer provided and are classically EOLed. I am not running a machine that may have public network connectivity on a machine which will no longer be receiving updates, unless it has proper contained / sandboxing.
More importantly, that I don't get support for it is a bigger issue in the corporate context.
More importantly, that I don't get support for it is a bigger issue in the corporate context.
Then you remember the days of going to a studio and seeing the very expensive SSL and Neve boards. When you look around the room for the computer it was mostly always an out of date Mac! But, of course there, it was all about the sound coming back over those NS10M's and huge speakers in the wall!
Hello Sound Castle! Hello Cherokee! Etc if you all are still around!
5,1 is working fine here and still generating income.
It has been a great bang for the buck.
Resale value is a moot point for me.
In a year or two I'll check out the 7,1.
Maybe cheaper and 'bug free' by then.
It has been a great bang for the buck.
Resale value is a moot point for me.
In a year or two I'll check out the 7,1.
Maybe cheaper and 'bug free' by then.
I interned at Cherokee for a bit in the early 1980s. Although I stlll covet its rooms, I wouldn't trade the tools we have to work with today, largely computer-based, for all the vintage gear Cherokee had on hand. I'm just too happy with DAWs and VIs to look back.Then you remember the days of going to a studio and seeing the very expensive SSL and Neve boards. When you look around the room for the computer it was mostly always an out of date Mac! But, of course there, it was all about the sound coming back over those NS10M's and huge speakers in the wall!
Hello Sound Castle! Hello Cherokee! Etc if you all are still around!
Not to quibble (but it is entertaining at times)... Aiden's statement didn't reference an exception for "edge cases"; it was presented as a universal truth. Of course "run away" makes sense for many. But I don't need "vintage hardware" to run "vintage software." I need a computer that runs the modern software I use today efficiently and economically, and the 5,1 appears likely to continue to fill my requirements for years to come. I won't be running away from a perfectly functional system today for fear that I may need to change in the future.
My so called "edge case" is THE case for a significant percentage of recording studio owner/operators, not to mention other folk who find the 5,1 suits their needs perfectly. With any business, there is no need to replace the tool because it might someday be obsolete.
As far as I can see from analytics, I can only see spikes of visitors to our website.. Although I get the fear in some sense, the Mac Pro I build for myself now (which we also offer for our customers) is some of the fastest machine I have seen in a while.
Although I get the fear in some sense, the Mac Pro I build for myself now (which we also offer for our customers) is some of the fastest machine I have seen in a while.FYI that was my Mac Pro and I changed my mind, sorry if you sent me an email and I didn’t reply.
I will at least ride out until Catalina goes public to see if we are still running with updates.
LOL’ed when I saw this posted today, especially this part:
Don’t think I’ll have a better Gaming Mac until Thunderbolt 4 or someone comes up with some thunderbolt link aggregation.
But also I love the cMP platform so hopefully we can keep it going for quite a bit longer without adding kexts.
I will at least ride out until Catalina goes public to see if we are still running with updates.
LOL’ed when I saw this posted today, especially this part:
must be microsoft employes upgrading
California may have some good deals going
Don’t think I’ll have a better Gaming Mac until Thunderbolt 4 or someone comes up with some thunderbolt link aggregation.
But also I love the cMP platform so hopefully we can keep it going for quite a bit longer without adding kexts.
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If you want to buy all and sell the parts on eBay, you will have money to buy a MP7,1 down the road. Easily.Haha, some fellow on my local Craigslist has 7 4,1 cMPs marked at $200. Hmmm
Haha, some fellow on my local Craigslist has 7 4,1 cMPs marked at $200. Hmmm
There is a shop south of Seattle that's had base 4,1's for $175 for several months.
others are selling...
dual 4,1's can be found for $400
base dual 5,1's can go for $700
there is definitely a surplus on the Seattle market, where there is an excess of products on the market for ever lowering prices.
Been a couple of pallets of 4,1s in Houston - dual socket, 32GB, base GPU - asking $350.
i just had a look on gumtree, relay not much for sale in the UK.
1 in london for £275 (4,1 base cpu/ram/GT120)
and thats it, a few (joke prices) for about £800-1,200 with just a single cpu sold as '12 core'
less than normal
o and a few 1,1-3,1 (no one wants them now)
never like looking at them on ebay, always seem to ask to much in the uk
like this one
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-Ma...m3d8ccf6fb2:g:o2QAAOSwuENc~PF-&frcectupt=true
photo with SSD/RX 580/USB3 £500 (thats what i paid years ago now) and says not sold with parts in photo will be orginal spec
1 in london for £275 (4,1 base cpu/ram/GT120)
and thats it, a few (joke prices) for about £800-1,200 with just a single cpu sold as '12 core'
less than normal
o and a few 1,1-3,1 (no one wants them now)
never like looking at them on ebay, always seem to ask to much in the uk
like this one
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-Ma...m3d8ccf6fb2:g:o2QAAOSwuENc~PF-&frcectupt=true
photo with SSD/RX 580/USB3 £500 (thats what i paid years ago now) and says not sold with parts in photo will be orginal spec
£200, 2 hours to go...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2009-App...206374?hash=item46972097e6:g:DjYAAOSwNJtc~V7B
+£25 P&P.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2009-App...206374?hash=item46972097e6:g:DjYAAOSwNJtc~V7B
+£25 P&P.
I scooped a 4,1 flashed to 5,1 with dual X5650s a USB3 card and 64Gb of RAM for $200 in socal. Added an RX580, 10Gbe network card, dual X5680s and a 1Tb NVMe boot drive. All in for around $550 total including the upgrades. Works pretty great.
I think it reasonable to assume her statement was made for those considering a cMP to run modern software. Focusing on the edge cases if foolish.
I live in Seattle as well and am trying to decide which to sell, my 2010 Mac Pro 6-core 3.47 or my 27" 2017 iMac 4.2. I'm not liking the iMac screen as I use a 27" NEC PA series wide gamut monitor for my photo work. Maybe sell both and get a Mac Mini?
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I never bother to sell things, tend to use them till they brake but I do know that most people will see osx 10.15 dumping the 5,1 as a good time to sell before the price drops hard.
iv been relay split about what to do with my old mac's,
make a coffee table with G5 + 3,1 ?
use one as a computer case for a PC?
iv been relay split about what to do with my old mac's,
make a coffee table with G5 + 3,1 ?
use one as a computer case for a PC?