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JMacHack

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OP, I would recommend doing what I do and enjoying the salt from the anti-AS folk.

Current flavor is “performance per transistor”, saying AS isn’t impressive because it uses more transistors. It reminds me of benchracers using HP/L as a metric.
 

mi7chy

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Close to deciding on 32GB or 64GB 16" M1 Max and will tell you if it's real or hype from a tech enthusiast and not brand fanboy.

My MBA M1 was more hype. Glad I didn't pay much attention to those hypesters claiming 8GB = 16GB and iGPU = dGPU. If you got 8GB you're SOL due to change in MacOS using more RAM and less storage virtual memory plus memory leak. And, 20fps on Shadow of the Tomb Raider so dGPU my *ss.
 
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dtm84

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New macbooks are ugly outdated bricks, but they have the performance and there's no alternative till Apple updates iMac and Mac Pro... people don't really have choise, so they're willing to close their eyes on the negatives.
There are three MacBooks on my table right now. My new 2021 16" MacBook Pro in space grey is the most attractive and silent and cool and nicest to use. Do you even have one or are you just trolling?

The speakers are amazing.
 
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andrewcole836

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FWIW, I love my 13” M1 mbp. It’s been exactly what I needed. No doom and gloom. After figuring out DisplayLink I’m satisfied with multi displays when I need to as well.
 
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danielktdoranie

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Am I the only one that's super happy with their purchase? My compile and unit tests complete in a third of the time my 2018 i9 with 32gig took. I do this for much of the day so I'm getting back lots of time every day.

Bonus: photography and video are hobbies and I could not be happier about how my new mbp handles both, at the same time I am running unit tests or compiling something.

I don't see many posts from people who seem happy with their purchase, which surprises me.
I love my MacBook Air (2020, M1) w/16G RAM. Amazing battery life. Super fast. I am in heaven. I have an Intel MacBook Pro that I use for x86 apps so my M1 MacBook Air is strictly for native apps.
 
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Think creative

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Because people that actually get work done don't sit around complaining on forums all day :)
Exactly. I almost pulled the trigger on a 14 inch. but I realized, with my actual pro work flow, a new MacBook air (I'd buy the current one, but the rumors of colors is too appealing for coffee shop work, and 90% of my time is still in my office. I can make do with air power in a coffee shop, and since they aren't particularly safe yet still, I'll wait to see what's next). and the new iMac whenever comes out will actually suit me better. So I've just been back to work, saving those pennies so that when the right machines for me do come out, I will be ready to pull the trigger on them.
 

Technerd108

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I really don't understand it. I hear people saying these are ugly, etc. Too big, too heavy, too many ports.....It is ****ing comical. Sorry but it is like little babies or super entitled brats whining about meaningless ****! Anyone who is serious about performance has been complaining about the lack of true power in ALL the MacBook Pro's for years!!

Now Apple has finally delivered an all balls out beast of a machine that also performs the same on battery as off and lasts all day!!!

Who the F**K cares if Desktop Alderlake is faster???? Who cares if it is heavy??? Who cares if it is ugly(which it most certainly is not)??? Because none of that is the POINT of this machine!! If you don't like the design or the ports or the weight there is a choice for you!! Get a 13" MBP or an Air with an M1 or better yet get an iMac with M1 and just SHUT UP!! Go get a Dell XPS and enjoy your Alder Lake or Tiger Lake............Get a Gaming laptop like a Razor.

Otherwise you are just blowing hot air!!

If people can't recognize that these are the best performing laptops Apple has ever made in many categories then I don't know what to tell you. Are these laptops perfect??? No there is always something else that could have been added or a better material that could have been used or even more cores or GPU cores etc. If you look at the competition and what they charge and how they perform on multiple metrics like screen, sound, performance, battery life, build quality then these new MBP are very competitive and in my opinion are much better.
 

spiderman0616

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It's easy to feel that way when you come in here looking to validate your purchase. I would suggest just not doing that going forward. Every single outrage you see in the forums here is a little individual storm in a teacup. It's fun to be part of the conversation now and then, but I wouldn't come here looking for rationality or logic.

I've also noticed that there has been another influx of people raging against Apple Silicon. It happened initially with the M1 Air/mini and later with the redesigned iMac. Now it's happening again with the Pro/Max M1 models. I strongly suspect, in that small contingency of people that even bother getting online to complain about computers, that there is a sub group of people that are not Mac users and feel like they need to scream into the void.

I do think Apple Silicon Macs are just the tip of the iceberg, I do think they're going to prove to be a major disruption, and I think it bothers people. You can apply that same basic logic to anything Apple ever releases. If it's new or different, it attracts rage. It makes no sense, but what can you do.
 

zarathu

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Research has shown that given the opportunity to complain(and that’s what forums are) 13% of the population will do it. My mother was a great complainer. She would go to fish restaurants and order steak and then complain that the fish didn’t taste fresh.

People here do a lot of complaining. I upgraded from a late 15.2 inch 2013 MBP to a 2021 16 M1Pro. I could be happier, but not much. The OS Monterey is not quite ready for prime time, but then again, it it wasn’t on my new machine I would have never known since I don’t every upgrade to a new system until it reaches .4 or .5 level. Other than the memory leak, I have not noticed any problems on the M1Pro. I think Monterey was built for the M1Pro and M1Max.
 
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Shirasaki

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If you process video taken from professional camera all day, if you are a music professional, if you develop anything that is not strictly tied to Windows platform, go MacBook Pro. After 2-3 years, maybe 3D modeling and engineers can start to use Mac more often if the software they use ever catches up.

If you game a lot, stay away from Mac as much as possible. Buy a console for the heck's sake.

Loom and doom largely because macOS is very niche and software support is worse than on Windows except those Mac-dominant industries, and it still is, plus none of those machines are cheap by any stretch.
 

3Rock

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New macbooks are ugly outdated bricks, but they have the performance and there's no alternative till Apple updates iMac and Mac Pro... people don't really have choise, so they're willing to close their eyes on the negatives.
This is a hit-and-run post. He came here once to post his ugly Computer comment and then he ran away and never came back. I’m glad that Apple made it thicker this time and gave us ports and a great great screen. Add to the poster above, What computer do you have?
 
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satcomer

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Am I the only one that's super happy with their purchase? My compile and unit tests complete in a third of the time my 2018 i9 with 32gig took. I do this for much of the day so I'm getting back lots of time every day.

Bonus: photography and video are hobbies and I could not be happier about how my new mbp handles both, at the same time I am running unit tests or compiling something.

I don't see many posts from people who seem happy with their purchase, which surprises me.

If you looking into photography you should dump subscription Adobe for two alternatives like Pixelmator Pro or Affinity Photo that native on a Mac M1 M1 Mac Pro or Mac!
 
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Internaut

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Couldn’t be happier with the base Air. Recently, when the business unit I work for was sold on to another business, I had a few weeks of bricked Dell. The base MacBook Air carried that and blows the Dell clean away (even when the Dell is working). Only sacrifice was occasionally having to watch what I run at same time. 8GB is 8GB however you spin it. The Dell has 16 and a quad core, 2018 vintage i7.

Best part? Running up Ubuntu under Windows hosted VitualBox and you have to watch. Same on an M1 Mac under Parallels? Blink and you’ll miss it!

For my use cases, Apple Silicon is not without a few drawbacks but I’m mostly sold on it.
 
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Shirasaki

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All I know is Pixelmator Pro reads/write & Imports all Above file formats! It wouldn't be worth mentioning if it could do that!
And how compatible that import becomes? OpenOffice tried their best possible to keep them compatible with Microsoft Office format (the one started from Office 2007) and I dunno how great the compatibility is now. I’d imagine same would happen on Adobe Photoshop files, worse, because photoshop formats are proprietary rather than XML based office files.
 

boss.king

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Is there really that much doom and gloom? I see a couple of brand new accounts complaining about some weird stuff and a few people who hate a specific change or two, but the response for these new machines seems to have been overwhelmingly positive.
 

zarathu

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If you looking into photography you should dump subscription Adobe for two alternatives like Pixelmator Pro or Affinity Photo that native on a Mac M1 M1 Mac Pro or Mac!
Affinity Photo said that based on their own benchmarks(for both mac and PC) the M1Pro and ther M1max were the fastest two computers they ever tested. can certainly verify that. Wiht my intel 2013 MBP I could only load 8- 45 mp photos before it bogged down to a crawl. The highest I have tried so far was 40- 45 mp photos(1.8 GB of photos) and it loaded them all in about 12 sec. I then took one of them and put on 12 layers and exported it to a TIFF. On my 2013 MBP(3600 multi benchmark), this often required me to force quit it took so long. On my new M1Pro it took about 6 seconds.
 

LonestarOne

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OP, I would recommend doing what I do and enjoying the salt from the anti-AS folk.

Current flavor is “performance per transistor”, saying AS isn’t impressive because it uses more transistors. It reminds me of benchracers using HP/L as a metric.

What about sustainability? What happens when the world runs out of transistors? Huh? :)
 

iBug2

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Close to deciding on 32GB or 64GB 16" M1 Max and will tell you if it's real or hype from a tech enthusiast and not brand fanboy.

My MBA M1 was more hype. Glad I didn't pay much attention to those hypesters claiming 8GB = 16GB and iGPU = dGPU. If you got 8GB you're SOL due to change in MacOS using more RAM and less storage virtual memory plus memory leak. And, 20fps on Shadow of the Tomb Raider so dGPU my *ss.
The reviews said it's simply 5x faster than the previews Macbook Air, which is correct.
 

iBug2

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Photography industry gives zero %#&@(*% on those two apps you mention.
Really? I use Affinity and I love it. I don't need Photoshop, at all. The only issue with those apps is that they don't have batch capabilities of Lightroom or Capture One. For single photo editing they are more than enough for 99% of photographers out there. Also they lack library capability so I still use my Photos library and edit in Affinity.
 

EntropyQ3

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Photography industry gives zero %#&@(*% on those two apps you mention.
Industries are about flow. Of money, to be specific, but it extends to data. Which is why Adobe can charge what they do for their products, and why their subscription model works for corporates.
Quark, for those who remember their Apple desktop publishing.

”Photographers” is a distinct concept from ”Photography industry” however.
And that segment, while some are hanging on to Lightroom, have been looking for and found options. Capture One, DxO, and stuff like Topaz Labs, Affinity, Pixelmator, RAW…
Adobe is like Quark or indeed x86, an entrenched cornerstone of the industry courtesy of mostly being compatible with itself, and milking their market. They’ll remain nicely profitable for the foreseeable future. But those who can, are looking elsewhere. Nobody really likes being bled, even when it’s tax deductible.
 
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