M1 chip fast my ass...

[vir]

Rosetta will go away.

 

[NC12]

Teenagers that dont do work on these, just care how fast a boot it is and after that they tell us what to do with our money and what to believe...yeah right ) Not to mention they rely on others videos and not on their own device/work

I’d say most teenagers aren’t nearly as moronic as op is when it comes to understanding the speed of a computer though

 

[Eithanius]

The M1 is fast yes, but the boot time of macOS as got worse every year...

since snow leopard...

 

[leman]

Hehe, alright then. Guess you weren't around for PPC to Intel. Although funnily enough that transition was a massive gain in ability to run software.

No, I was not. But PowerPC to x86 transition was very different from x86-64 to ARM64 transition. PowerPC had different endianness, basic type alignment etc. and the emulation mechanism was entirely different.

At any rate, I expect Rosetta 2 to stay with us for a while. And even if Apple removes it down the road and you need to run some legacy software - install an earlier version of macOS in a VM and use it to your hearts content.

Now when Rosetta 2 gets pulled this time around and removes ALL x86 execution ability, it'll be a devastating loss (just the removal of 32-bit was enough to murder everyone's Steam library into almost nothing).

I have over 200 games in my Steam library. I didn’t even notice the removal of 32 but support. At some point one has to cut things.

Use our hardware, use our APIs, use Xcode, use our standards and practices, use Apple pro apps, use Apple services, use bundled Apple apps for your productivity and entertainment needs, make sure everything is done according to the Apple Way. Thank you for your patronage and your loyalty. Do not look over there at what they are doing, stop that. That stuff doesn't work on Macs anyway. We will provide for you.

What are you even talking about? What does it have to do with Apple? Every single OS, no matter which hardware it runs in comes with its own set of technologies. You could have just replaced Apple with Linux or Microsoft in the above quote with the same effect. What are you even trying to say? I don’t have to use Xcode if I don’t want to. MacOS is a first class support target for every single development environment of significance out there. Apples transition to a new (saner) hardware does not change a single bit about any of it. But it does solve a lot of practical problems and opens tons of opportunities. Like giving the devs and the users alike access to a modern high performance GPUs and a unified GPU programming model. Or closing the security gaps of x86 platform.

 

[Feyl]

I complained many times here about macOS being far worse than Windows in terms of performance but this comparison, while being fair, it's doesn't reflect how fast the chip is. Yes, Apple should work harder and make macOS much better but this is ridiculous. I wouldn't go back to any Windows machine just because it boots faster.

 

[darwiniandude]

This thread is bonkers.
Yhe whole point of a Mac, is that it’s a Mac. I want to run macOS. I can quickly install Xcode, the command line tools, Mac Ports, and things like youtube-dl, homebridge, and a few other goodies. But I can also use Logic, MainStage, Final Cut Pro and Motion which are unmatched for their single outright prices (in the education bundle) plus Pages and Keynote with their full versioning, eg grab a deleted paragraph out of a document that you saved over days ago. Anyway with macOS I have easy hourly full versioning backup of the mac and all external drives with Time Machine, all the command like Unix goodies I need, full integration with watch/iPhone/iPad/CarPlay in the car and can still run mainstream commercial software natively too. The fact that Apple Silicon is now very compelling in terms of energy efficiency is quite frankly a bonus. Also folks lest not forget that M1 Mac mini replaced the i3 Mac mini at the same price point and they haven’t yet replaced the i5 Mac mini ?
The M1 is the slowest and worst Apple Silicon Mac processor ever. Can’t wait for the future.

 

[Falhófnir]

So does the Razer have a faster SSD installed, seems that would have more of an impact than the CPU? Then, how often do people cold boot their computer anyway? For most macs the instant wake from sleep (i.e. just opening and closing the lid) will be more relevant to perceived speed. And why are people continuing to compare Apple's 10W SKU with Intel/AMD's 35-45W ones? Oh yes because it's actually still a match despite the gaping power draw difference

 

[vir]

That can't be right.

 

[cnnyy20p]

You know right Windows 10 isn’t actually fully shut down when it’s shutdown? It’s just go to hibernates mode and save the current state so it’s would boost faster. If you want to truly reset the system you have to click “Reset” not “Shut down”. Why Microsoft chooses to do this? Because they know Windows users get use to shutting down their devices every time they use the device. So it’s seems like Windows actually boots up faster from “shut down” because it’s actually not. It’s a fake shut down.

Mac truly restart the whole system when it’s boots from shut down.

Oh! I actually have a Lenovo laptop with 11th gen i5 along side with my M1 MacBook Air and sometimes It’s still have wake up from a cold sleep for more than 10 seconds when I leave the device sleep too long. But my MacBook Air always wakes up instantly from long sleep.

 

[leman]

This can be nothing else but a lie. It would be statistically impossible that you have 200 games, all somehow miraculously 64-bit purchases, and upon opening Steam in Catalina you didn't notice almost all of them were crossed out as incompatible right there in the library list. I don't know why it's necessary to play that down. It's what drove me to leave Mac, in fact.

Yeah I noticed that some things were flagged as incompatible but I haven't played those games for years already. All of the games I actually played in the last five years I had in my steam collection still start and run today (even on M1 Macs).

And as far as developer interest in those Apple GPUs, good luck courting them after Apple just keeps flipping the finger and killing their software every generation. They will need to source from the well of younger more naive iOS-first developers.

Introducing a new system every fifteen years is hardly "flipping a finger". And yes, there is significant developer interest in those Apple GPUs. There are major professional apps that promptly moved to Metal and Apple-specific features in the lat year, something they were always reluctant to do in the last five years of Intel Macs. It's obvious: Apple's strategy is working, and it's working very well. Where there is a promise of stability and performance, users and developers will follow. And Apple Silicon promises stability beyond any other commercially available consumer platform.

Y'all get ready for the next two blows: the dropping of Rosetta 2, and the transition from the Arm instruction set to the Apple proprietary instruction set (because Nvidia bad or something).

Why would you think that Apple will transition to their own instruction set? What's wrong with ARM64 today? I mean, in another 15 or so years, maybe there will be some principally new technology that warrants a shift, but it's not something to worry about at this time.

 

[pi=e=3]

I actually have both an M1 Air and a RB14.

The Air is better in all aspects except GPU performance, and we can hardly expect an iGPU to compete with a 100W 3080.

The RB14 is also always screaming like a banshee unless you disable boost (limiting it to 3.3Ghz), and even then the fans are always pulsing on, very annoyingly.

Then there also the thing we’re the RB14 has terrible battery life, it’s SSD only runs at half speed on battery (with no way to change that), and CPU performance is heavily limited on battery (it actually scores less than an M1 on R23 on battery).

Also, the build quality is meh. The keyboard sucks, Razer support sucks, synapse sucks, etc.

But yes, by all means buy one. Make sure it’s not from Razer directly, because when you want to return it, and you will, they will laugh at you.

 

[Vratikranka]

Did he just forget to add "/s" in the end?

don't fall for the hype

 

[elptdbi3lYI]

You know right Windows 10 isn’t actually fully shut down when it’s shutdown? It’s just go to hibernates mode and save the current state so it’s would boost faster. If you want to truly reset the system you have to click “Reset” not “Shut down”. Why Microsoft chooses to do this? Because they know Windows users get use to shutting down their devices every time they use the device. So it’s seems like Windows actually boots up faster from “shut down” because it’s actually not. It’s a fake shut down.

Mac truly restart the whole system when it’s boots from shut down.

Oh! I actually have a Lenovo laptop with 11th gen i5 along side with my M1 MacBook Air and sometimes It’s still have wake up from a cold sleep for more than 10 seconds when I leave the device sleep too long. But my MacBook Air always wakes up instantly from long sleep.

Windows still boots much faster from cold boot. In my case ~5-7 seconds for windows (sata ssd), ~20 seconds macos (nvme), same machine. It's probably apfs/trim that slows macos boot down but who knows exactly.

 

[leman]

Windows still boots much faster from cold boot. In my case ~5-7 seconds for windows (sata ssd), ~20 seconds macos (nvme), same machine. It's probably apfs/trim that slows macos boot down but who knows exactly.

It would be interesting to see an in-depth analysis on the boot differences between systems. In the end it probably simply boils down to Apple not prioritizing fast boot. They design their products for deep sleep, and they excellent in that area. Besides, it was always my subjective impression that macOS shows the desktop after all the services/auto start up apps have been launched, while Window races to the desktop while some stuff is still starting up. At least on my MBP when I boot Windows I always have to wait for couple of more seconds until the system actually becomes useable.

 

[macar00n]

despite the hopium everyone's on regarding the M1, there is still going to be a staggering and permanent loss in the total capability of the Mac as a platform due to developers choosing to not port their apps (it will be this way, they are not all ready and excitedly waiting to port port port at Apple's whim... what next, dropping the Arm instruction set for an Apple custom set? It never ends), not to mention the cataclysmic loss that recently occurred due to the death of 32-bit execution already. And just wait until the Rosetta 2 death hammer comes down. Macs are fast becoming the computer to run essentially Apple pro apps and Photoshop/Illustrator and not much else.

Yeah just like developers refused to port their apps for the iPhone. History had shown us that when a juicy, profitable platform exists for developers to code for, they don't do it because coding is hard

 

[UBS28]

Erm... what did I just see here...?

Fast just by booting up...?

RIGHT...!!!

The Razer Blade 14 does have more power available, for the price as the M1 MBP. It comes with a RTX 3060 and the AMD cpu is faster in multicore performance than M1.

The more interesting aspect of the Razer Blade 14 is that you can equip with a RTX 3080, but that setup is as expensive as the 16“ MBP (but far far far more powerful than the 16” MBP).

The M2X 14” MBP should be faster CPU wise though when it comes out. But it will probably be still behind in GPU power.

 

[TheRoadRunner]

Thanks for the laugh OP ?

 

[Jack Neill]

I actually have both an M1 Air and a RB14.

The Air is better in all aspects except GPU performance, and we can hardly expect an iGPU to compete with a 100W 3080.

The RB14 is also always screaming like a banshee unless you disable boost (limiting it to 3.3Ghz), and even then the fans are always pulsing on, very annoyingly.

Then there also the thing we’re the RB14 has terrible battery life, it’s SSD only runs at half speed on battery (with no way to change that), and CPU performance is heavily limited on battery (it actually scores less than an M1 on R23 on battery).

Also, the build quality is meh. The keyboard sucks, Razer support sucks, synapse sucks, etc.

But yes, by all means buy one. Make sure it’s not from Razer directly, because when you want to return it, and you will, they will laugh at you.

I was interested in the Razer line when I was looking for my gaming laptop. I decided on a ROG G14. Plays everything I wanted to and has a great screen. I also have an M1 Air and they don't compare because I use them for very different purposes.

 

[Gnattu]

Although I am happy to hear the M1 is getting a wide selection of open source. Hopefully you can find something useful in that grab bag.

The whole OSS community is a treasure for every user on any platform. The existence of OSS, is a huge reason that not everyone have to "get locked by Apple" or "get locked by Microsoft". As a Linux Desktop user, I do have the habit to find open-source alternative for almost everything I use because Linux Desktop is only 1% in the statistics make most closed source software developers don't even consider to support.

 

[PlainBelliedSneetch]

The M1 is fast yes, but the boot time of macOS as got worse every year...

How often are people doing cold boots? For years on Windows, its suspend modes didn’t always work but it has improved to the point where I don’t understand why cold boot performance is all that important.

 

[dmr727]

I used to have a Powerbook 100 that'd boot into System 6 in just a couple of seconds.

That 16MHz 68000 puts the 14" Razer to shame!

 

[PlainBelliedSneetch]

Thanks for the laugh OP ?

Lol and next time the OP should look at the other videos to make sure the competing computer doesn‘t crash and burn a week later.

 

[lederermc]

don't fall for the hype

Rule #1 on the internet: Anytime someone just says, "Watch this..." it's usually a scam.

 

[TopToffee]

And as far as developer interest in those Apple GPUs, good luck courting them after Apple just keeps flipping the finger and killing their software every generation. They will need to source from the well of younger more naive iOS-first developers. Y'all get ready for the next two blows: the dropping of Rosetta 2, and the transition from the Arm instruction set to the Apple proprietary instruction set (because Nvidia bad or something).

You’re a very strange goose.

Always a good sign that someone is secure in their own argument when their “big finish” involves outright making something up out of the clear blue sky.

 

[Juraj22]

Don't understand why boot time is so important. Only time my mac boots is when OS updates are installed that required reboot. Other times it is sleeping, and wake up from sleep is instant.