M1 graphics is as we feared. Mediocre at best.

[Serban55]

That a "pro" machine has "pro graphics"? Not four year out of date budget graphics?

The last athlete from the top 100 is still called a pro-fesional athlete
When this "pro cannot do this or that better than x or y" will end ?!
I hope people will not start to compare the 13" Mbp with mac pro... why MBP has only 16gb ram and not 512 gb ram like mac pro ?!
Or maybe next year people will say why mac pro has only 1.5T Gb of ram and not infinite ?!
For a laptop at1000$/1200$ starting price to beat in every way the current 13" mbp or 13" mba from 2020 in every way...twice as fast in both cpu and gpu and battery life .....less heat....this is a revolution considered the past generation evolutions

regarding your statement....to have an so called "igpu" that is on par with Amd 570 is impressive
Remember, that 570 couldnt be placed in that enclosure , was an 27" imac enclosure

 

[Fomalhaut]

i was planning to get a M1 system but fear got in the way at the 11th hour so I bought a Intel MacBook Pro 2020 13”. Maybe when the M1x or m2 come out o may trade in the intel one. It will get better

Fear of what exactly?

Software incompatibilities? Potential hardware glitches with Gen 1 machines?

What informed your decision?

 

[Serban55]

Fear of what exactly?

Software incompatibilities? Potential hardware glitches with Gen 1 machines?

What informed your decision?

probably he doesnt know he could buy the M1 mac, and if its not happy he could return it no question asked until January and trade it with an Intel one. But hey, if he wants a slower cpu+gpu, an hotter with less battery device...who are we to tell him what to do with his own money

 

[yoak]

"M1 graphics is as we feared."

Who's "we"?

The PC crowd.... Who will never buy a Mac anyways

 

[leman]

OP has no clue what they are talking about. If these results are representative it would mean that the passively cooled Air with 15 hours battery life is as fast as any entry-level gaming laptop on the market.

In another words: an integrated 10-15W SoC from Apple is matching the performance of modern Nvidia 30W dedicated GPU. If this is not impressive, I don't know what is going on in peoples heads.

 

[acidfast7_redux]

Perfect. My office docs and PPT slides will look great on a sub-£900 MacBookAir

 

[Yebubbleman]

It looks like the M1 can just about "Shred" an entry-level Nvidia graphics card from....4 years ago!
If it was beating an Nvidia 2060 (a.k.a last years entry-level GPU) that would be a different story. But it can just outdo a budget card from almost half a decade ago. So get ready for another generation of integrated graphical mediocrity.

Apple's M1 SoC Shreds GeForce GTX 1050 Ti in New Graphics Benchmark

Flexing that Apple power

www.tomshardware.com

First off, you were never going to get this much performance out of the Intel Iris Plus 645 in the previous/final Intel 2-port 13" MacBook Pro. You were definitely not going to get that much performance from the graphics in the previous/final Intel MacBook Air. The fact that you can do as much 4K, let alone 8K editing on either machine is downright impressive. And, honestly, if you are running Metal games, you're going to see incredible performance in the gaming space as well. Considering a 1050 would still meet, if not exceed, the needs of 95% of anyone looking to buy a 13" laptop in the class of either the MacBook Air or the 2-port 13" MacBook Pro, it's arguably not mediocre by any reasonable metric.

Furthermore, I'd be shocked if the M1's performance didn't shatter that of either the Iris Plus in the Intel 4-port MacBook Pro (which wasn't all that bad from what I've seen) or the Intel UHD 630 that's still in the Intel Mac mini and the 16" MacBook Pro (when not using the AMD graphics).

So, no, I think we're leaving integrated graphics mediocrity by ditching Intel, especially when we're comparing the Intel Iris Plus 645 of the previous Intel 2-port 13" MacBook Pros. It's not going to be the best of the Apple Silicon Mac lineup once the transition is complete, but it's still VERY favorable compared to anything previously seen in Intel equivalent models.

First generation. It’s still impressive. Some of you really have super high expectations.

The word "Pro" should've never been put on the 13" Mac. That said, I agree with you, considering the M1 13" MacBook Pro can edit 8K footage with no issue whereas the Intel 2-port 13" MacBook Pro from earlier this year that it replaces couldn't even comfortably handle 4K footage.

That a "pro" machine has "pro graphics"? Not four year out of date budget graphics?

Considering "GeForce" is a gaming graphics card line and not a professional use (video/rendering/scientific/etc.) graphics card, it's pretty Apples and Oranges. Compare it to a Quadro series card and then we'll talk. Furthermore, considering the pool of Windows games that have Mac ports that are even 64-bit Intel, let alone Apple Silicon native is going to be way smaller than what we had on Intel Macs pre-Catalina, let alone on Windows, I'm not even sure comparing M1 to a 1050 really means all that much in terms of real-world performance.

The fastest integrated GPU on any machine, at 10 watts of power draw, and it's Apple's FIRST Mac processor.
How is this not impressive?

Wait for Apple's rumored dGPU offering before throwing shade next time.

I wouldn't be so sure that Apple is going to do a dGPU. I otherwise agree with you though; shade shouldn't be tossed here. They're doing exactly what they said they'd do. The single Thunderbolt controller and the 16GB RAM limitation are the only things about M1 that leave anything to be desired. Otherwise, M1 is exactly what the doctor ordered for this transition.

 

[wyatterp]

This is an astonishingly stupid op

 

[leman]

That a "pro" machine has "pro graphics"? Not four year out of date budget graphics?

The performance fogires you quote would put it on par with entry-level dedicated professional GPUs such as Quadro T1000 and Quadro T2000 Max-Q

The OP was not happy because the integrated graphics of the M1 didn't beat a discrete desktop GPU

That's the funny thing — according to these scores M1 does beat desktop GPUs.

I concur. Seriously, there is no way that an on package chip that is sharing memory with CPU cores and other cores, can have the performance of a dedicated GPU, like the 2060.

I don't see why Apple wouldn't be able to reach performance of a 2060 or better with an integrated SoC. It's jut a question of scaling. You need bigger chips, more cores and faster RAM. A 32-core Apple GPU could fit on a SoC that consumes less than 50 watts while offering performance comparable to a desktop-level 2070

 

[anshuvorty]

The performance fogires you quote would put it on par with entry-level dedicated professional GPUs such as Quadro T1000 and Quadro T2000 Max-Q



That's the funny thing — according to these scores M1 does beat desktop GPUs.



I don't see why Apple wouldn't be able to reach performance of a 2060 or better with an integrated SoC. It's jut a question of scaling. You need bigger chips, more cores and faster RAM. A 32-core Apple GPU could fit on a SoC that consumes less than 50 watts while offering performance comparable to a desktop-level 2070

Until Apple does it, I will keep thinking that this is impossible. Apple has done the impossible before....iPhone, Apple Watch, Macintosh, etc, so we shall see.

 

[Minga089]

Are people seriously trying to benchmark integrated GPUs with dedicated GPUs? Considering the Intel 13” MBP has Intel GPUs, wouldn’t that comparison make more sense?

LOL. I just can speak for myself and I can say that I saw a lot of people quoting that the M1 will be on par with any dGPU (even 5600m) of the current 16" MBP and that I should sell my 16" as quickly as I can.

 

[Takuro]

The fact that it outperforms the Radeon 560 is still impressive. Apple has traditionally used fairly weak / old graphics cards in Macs, and that card is fairly representative of the level of performance many of their baseline offerings have been stuck at until fairly recently.

Only just now in 2020, they decided to offer some actual current video cards by introducing new built-to-order options for a 5600M in the 16" MacBook Pro and a 5700 XT in the iMac, and those a were the big leap in graphics performance. But that isn't what the M1 is targeting. Something else is obviously coming out in the next year to target those.

Even if whatever the next Apple Silicon chip is falls slightly short of those, the odds are good that it'll be less expensive than paying for a build-to-order top-tier AMD card and will therefore be an appealing value to a lot of people. Even if they hit 70% of the performance of those cards, I think it's fine. And graphics performance will only get better in future chips each year.

 

[acidfast7_redux]

LOL. I just can speak for myself and I can say that I saw a lot of people quoting that the M1 will be on par with any dGPU (even 5600m) of the current 16" MBP and that I should sell my 16" as quickly as I can.

You should sell it if you wouldn't take the hit in screen eatate.

 

[Haribokart]

i was planning to get a M1 system but fear got in the way at the 11th hour so I bought a Intel MacBook Pro 2020 13”. Maybe when the M1x or m2 come out o may trade in the intel one. It will get better

Wow you really showed them by downgrading to a weaker machine.... what a self-own.

 

[Minga089]

You should sell it if you wouldn't take the hit in screen eatate.

Ok you are a funny joker.? How can you advise someone to sell his machine when you know absolutely nothing about him or his workflow? Ridiculous!

BTW: I won't sell it and will use this machine at least another 3 years because it is more than capable for everything I do. After that I will happily switch to a beautiful Apple Silicon machine.

 

[Falhófnir]

Even Intel's new Tiger Lake XE graphics can't manage this much, let alone what previous chipsets were capable of. So yes this is still a big deal for computers without dGPUs. The 1050Ti is still a surprisingly competent GPU as well, it's not like this is just scraping a win against an MX150...

 

[leman]

Until Apple does it, I will keep thinking that this is impossible. Apple has done the impossible before....iPhone, Apple Watch, Macintosh, etc, so we shall see.

Given the fact that Apple now embraces unified memory, they won't have any other choice

 

[miscend]

It looks like the M1 can just about "Shred" an entry-level Nvidia graphics card from....4 years ago!
If it was beating an Nvidia 2060 (a.k.a last years entry-level GPU) that would be a different story. But it can just outdo a budget card from almost half a decade ago. So get ready for another generation of integrated graphical mediocrity.

Apple's M1 SoC Shreds GeForce GTX 1050 Ti in New Graphics Benchmark

Flexing that Apple power

www.tomshardware.com

Why don't you compare like for like? There is no reason to compare an iGPU to a dGPU. Show me an integrated GPU that shreds the M1?

 

[russell_314]

Are people seriously trying to benchmark integrated GPUs with dedicated GPUs? Considering the Intel 13” MBP has Intel GPUs, wouldn’t that comparison make more sense?

Exactly this. None of the Macs with the M1 now had dedicated graphics with Intel. None....

Why do people even try to make this up ?‍♂️

 

[acidfast7_redux]

Ok you are a funny joker.? How can you advise someone to sell his machine when you know absolutely nothing about him or his workflow? Ridiculous!

BTW: I won't sell it and will use this machine at least another 3 years because it is more than capable for everything I do. After that I will happily switch to a beautiful Apple Silicon machine.

If you required intense workflow, you would have defended it. Thanks for confirming my argument.

I used mine for nearly 9 years and did 3000+ battery cycles and ran through 2 SSDs, the later being an OWC. But that was rMBP but base spec otherwise.

I'm just not sure you need the power.

 

[Falhófnir]

It looks like the M1 can just about "Shred" an entry-level Nvidia graphics card from....4 years ago!
If it was beating an Nvidia 2060 (a.k.a last years entry-level GPU) that would be a different story. But it can just outdo a budget card from almost half a decade ago. So get ready for another generation of integrated graphical mediocrity.

Apple's M1 SoC Shreds GeForce GTX 1050 Ti in New Graphics Benchmark

Flexing that Apple power

www.tomshardware.com

Think about it this way, if earlier in the year when the last Intel Air/ Pro launched, Apple said 'oh yeah, we've also thrown in a GTX 1050Ti at no extra cost, and we've found a way of making it sip power and run cool so you don't take a hit on battery life or thermals' that would have been unthinkable, right? Well that's effectively what they've just done here.

 

[MrGunnyPT]

Perfect. My office docs and PPT slides will look great on a sub-£900 MacBookAir

Lmao.

I mean if that thing plays World of Warcraft just fine on the 13”MBP then I’m getting it and allocating the 16” to the desk

 

[StellarVixen]

I actually expected them to be on par with Ryzen APUs. This is above that.

I never expected RTX3090 out of Apple Silicon.

 

[Feek]

My MacBook has "Intel HD Graphics 515 1536 MB"

How much faster should I expect the 8/8 M1 to be compared to what I've currently got?

 

[anshuvorty]

My MacBook has "Intel HD Graphics 515 1536 MB"

How much faster should I expect the 8/8 M1 to be compared to what I've currently got?

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