M1 Max Quadro Mac Pro Leaks - The Alder Lake KILLER! 🤯

[Appletoni]

I need this chip inside the MacBook Pro 16-inch.

A lot of people need much more CPU cores. Other prefer GPU cores.
GPU cores changed from 8 to 32 cores.
A lot of people expected to get also 32 CPU cores instead of 8 cores.
But instead of 32 we have got only 10 CPU cores. That’s to little.
Only 8 fire cores is a bad joke.

 

[cmaier]

A lot of people need much more CPU cores. Other prefer GPU cores.
GPU cores changed from 8 to 32 cores.
A lot of people expected to get also 32 CPU cores instead of 8 cores.
But instead of 32 we have got only 10 CPU cores. That’s to little.
Only 8 fire cores is a bad joke.

is this meant to be satire? 8 cores, each of which has essentially the highest single-core performance in the business, and which can all run at the same time unlike most intel designs, is a joke?

 

[JMacHack]

is this meant to be satire? 8 cores, each of which has essentially the highest single-core performance in the business, and which can all run at the same time unlike most intel designs, is a joke?

Don’t fall for the bait.

 

[Boil]

A lot of people expected to get also 32 CPU cores instead of 8 cores.

Huh, the M1 Max Quad will have 32 performance cores & 8 efficiency cores...

 

[jjcs]

Except this time Apple is the one in control. This is the holly **** moment and Intel knows it. Joke all you want and yet here we are discussing how Apple has put Intel and even AMD on notice. This is the reality.

Apple has a very powerful laptop CPU only available in its own systems and that last part isn't likely to change. You're getting ahead of yourself if you think it's somehow over for Intel and AMD. That no one can catch up. Frankly, even the idea that Apple is somehow alone in the ability to produce very high performance ARM chips is... amusing. Fujitsu has had the A64FX out for a while.

 

[cmaier]

Apple has a very powerful laptop CPU only available in its own systems and that last part isn't likely to change. You're getting ahead of yourself if you think it's somehow over for Intel and AMD. That no one can catch up. Frankly, even the idea that Apple is somehow alone in the ability to produce very high performance ARM chips is... amusing. Fujitsu has had the A64FX out for a while.

A64FX is not in the same league as the M1 family. It’s designed for a completely different purpose, and its performance reflects that. You definitely wouldn’t want one in your Mac.

 

[Taz Mangus]

Apple has a very powerful laptop CPU only available in its own systems and that last part isn't likely to change. You're getting ahead of yourself if you think it's somehow over for Intel and AMD. That no one can catch up. Frankly, even the idea that Apple is somehow alone in the ability to produce very high performance ARM chips is... amusing. Fujitsu has had the A64FX out for a while.

AMD has the EPYC, but those are completely different use cases and environments, neither of which goes into a smart phone or a laptop. I never said Intel and AMD were over. What Apple has accomplished here is quite amazing given its performance and energy efficiency. I will make a prediction about the mobile Alder Lake in a laptop. It won't be able to reach maximum performance unless it is plugged into the wall, it will throttle badly when it heats up and the laptop it is in, will sound like a jet engine trying to keep the CPU and GPU cool. Intel needed a wake up call.

 

[jjcs]

A64FX is not in the same league as the M1 family. It’s designed for a completely different purpose, and its performance reflects that. You definitely wouldn’t want one in your Mac.

In a Mac? No. In a workstation? Very likely.

 

[Boil]

Apple has a very powerful laptop CPU only available in its own systems and that last part isn't likely to change. You're getting ahead of yourself if you think it's somehow over for Intel and AMD. That no one can catch up. Frankly, even the idea that Apple is somehow alone in the ability to produce very high performance ARM chips is... amusing. Fujitsu has had the A64FX out for a while.

How many M1 Max SoCs could one buy for the cost of a single A64FX...?

 

[jjcs]

Now you are moving the goal post. AMD has the EPIC, but those are completely different use cases and environments, neither of which goes into a smart phone or a laptop. I think you are projecting just a bit here. I never said Intel and AMD were over. What Apple has accomplished here is quite amazing given its performance and energy efficiency. I will make a prediction about the mobile Alder Lake in a laptop. It won't be able to reach maximum performance unless it is plugged into the wall, it will throttle badly when it heats up and the laptop it is in, will sound like a jet engine trying to keep the CPU and GPU cool. Intel needed a wake up call.

You didn't limit your comment to Alder Lake.

 

[jjcs]

How many M1 Max SoCs could one buy for the cost of a single A64FX...?

Apple doesn't sell 48-core M1 chips in server enclosures. In fact, they sell zero enterprise systems. As far as laptop CPUs are concerned, it's shortsighted to claim Apple has some sort of permanent lead now. What they have is a lead for the next year or two in that market.

 

[Boil]

Apple doesn't sell 48-core M1 chips in server enclosures. In fact, they sell zero enterprise systems. As far as laptop CPUs are concerned, it's shortsighted to claim Apple has some sort of permanent lead now.

I said nothing towards any of what you replied, I was just pointing out the HUGE price difference between the two "fresh off the wafer" items; Apple silicon must have you rattled... ;^p

 

[Taz Mangus]

So I have a question regarding the Apple M series chips. It looks like Apple is releasing the M series over a 2 year period. M2 spring, M2 Pro/Max fall. M2 Omega Supreme second year. The M2 will be based off the A15 cores. So by the time Apple has released the complete M2 series, it will have released the A17 which means they will have been 2 years ahead on the A series. Why doesn't Apple keep cadence of the M series with the latest A series?

 

[Taz Mangus]

You didn't limit your comment to Alder Lake.

Are you serious.

 

[jjcs]

I said nothing towards any of what you replied, I was just pointing out the HUGE price difference between the two "fresh off the wafer" items; Apple silicon must have you rattled... ;^p

Why would it have me or anyone rattled? I'm not in the CPU business. I just think the idea that they now have some sort of insurmountable lead - even if just in the consumer space - amusing. In fact, you wouldn't want them to. Competition is good for the consumer.

Note that in the consumer space they do currently have a lead in that market. They'll have to work to keep it.

 

[jjcs]

Are you serious.

"I think we will see the same situation happen with the AS for Macs that has happened for the AS for iPhone/iPad. Apple will progress so far ahead of Intel and AMD that neither of them will be able to match Apple in performance and power efficiency."

Were you serious? Bold claim and stretching far past Alder Lake's release.

 

[cmaier]

So I have a question regarding the Apple M series chips. It looks like Apple is releasing the M series over a 2 year period. M2 spring, M2 Pro/Max fall. M2 Omega Supreme second year. The M2 will be based off the A15 cores. So by the time Apple has released the complete M2 series, it will have released the A17 which means they will have been 2 years ahead on the A series. Why doesn't Apple keep cadence of the M series with the latest A series?

The cadence is messed up right now because of pandemic-related supply chain issues. Don’t expect that they won’t keep in better synch in the future.

 

[Taz Mangus]

"I think we will see the same situation happen with the AS for Macs that has happened for the AS for iPhone/iPad. Apple will progress so far ahead of Intel and AMD that neither of them will be able to match Apple in performance and power efficiency."

Were you serious? Bold claim and stretching far past Alder Lake's release.

Yes I was serious. Apple has the more efficient A15 cores already being used, which will be the basis for the M2 series. In 10 months, Apple will have the A16 released with even more performance and efficiency than the A15, the basis for the next follow on M series. A17 to follow, basis for follow on M series, and so on. Intel can't even keep to their own roadmap schedule.

 

[Taz Mangus]

The cadence is messed up right now because of pandemic-related supply chain issues. Don’t expect that they won’t keep in better synch in the future.

I would think the A series would be based on the M series cores, not the other way round.

 

[Tagbert]

So I have a question regarding the Apple M series chips. It looks like Apple is releasing the M series over a 2 year period. M2 spring, M2 Pro/Max fall. M2 Omega Supreme second year. The M2 will be based off the A15 cores. So by the time Apple has released the complete M2 series, it will have released the A17 which means they will have been 2 years ahead on the A series. Why doesn't Apple keep cadence of the M series with the latest A series?

We don’t really know what Apple’s update cycle will be once they have completed their transition and post all the supply chain disruptions. You can’t predict much based on the recent update intervals as this is an unstable period by many measures. You also can’t use the Intel Mac period as a pattern since Apple didn’t control the timeline and was not happy with the slow progress.

 

[Taz Mangus]

Would it make sense for Apple to do a yearly M series like they do the A series. Do the Macs even need a yearly release schedule? The M series is getting very powerful and I would think at some point there would be no need to do a yearly release schedule for the Mac computers.

 

[jjcs]

Yes I was serious. Apple has the more efficient A15 cores already being used, which will be the basis for the M2 series. In 10 months, Apple will have the A16 released with even more performance and efficiency than the A15, the basis for the next follow on M series. A17 to follow, basis for follow on M series, and so on. Intel can't even keep to their own roadmap schedule.

Hence my "reality distortion field" comment.

 

[Taz Mangus]

Hence my "reality distortion field" comment.

Wow ??

 

[cmaier]

I would think the A series would be based on the M series cores, not the other way round.

I don’t think it’s meaningful to say one is ”based on“ the other, in an SoC design methodology. They design a core and it goes into different die. One die tapes out before the other. The order they tape out may have nothing to do with the order they go on sale.

 

[jjcs]

Wow ??

You're assuming capabilities for hardware that doesn't exist yet or at least is years from release. Prior performance is no quarantee of furture results.