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Expos of 1969

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I'm still torn. I've used both the 8gb and the 16gb. My ONLY reason for being interested in the 16gb is the RAM needed ni 4-5 years on new OS's. I'm concerned that Apple will basically up the required RAM by then.
Save the substantial monetary difference by buying the 8GB now. If in 4 or 5 years you feel you require 16GB, buy the new 2025 or 2026 MBA. You then will have your desired 16GB and whatever else has been upgraded on the MBA by then. "Future proofing" is a mugs game.
 

Briax

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I would get 16GB if I were to buy a new one today. I have the 8GB base model.
 

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For someone like me, who uses it mostly for light tasks, I think the answer is no. No regrets. I haven't had issues except some occasional weird Safari behaviour during video playback which I think 16 GB users reported as well...

I might've gotten 16 GB just for the peace of mind and potential (not planning on it but who knows) resale value if it wasn't for the ridiculous markup Apple is putting on RAM. While the base model is actually very reasonably priced for the hardware you get, even compared to Windows devices, and even with higher prices outside of US, the 16 GB model is clearly overpriced. And I personally just can't stomach being overcharged for anything ever. So base model it is.
 

ignatius345

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People here oversold me on 8GB , so I got work MacBook Air with 8 GB of ram and while the machine is ok fast, it is for sure not super snappy. it is always paging and memory pressure is always in high yellow zone as it does not have enough memory. This is after opening Microsoft outlook, teams, 1-2 excel and word documents and 20 safari tabs and 5-10 edge tabs, Cisco vpn, Webex,some Apple apps like mail, calendar, messages etc. I am not sure if this is considered heavy or power work, but I wished I order 16 gb model.

For this kind of reason, I went with 16 GB for my new 24" M1 iMac. I knew I was going to be running a lot of graphic design stuff at the same time. Also my wife and I share the machine and she's doing a lot of video conferencing, so it seemed worthwhile to future proof the machine a bit. I haven't hit any real slowdowns on the iMac except when I've been making large file copies, which seem to sometimes give the Finder some issues.

For my M1 Air, though, I just went with 8 GB since it's mostly for writing, email, web stuff. Zero slowdowns there, but on the other hand I'm not asking so much of it.

I've really come around to the model of having a well-spec'ed desktop (with lots of internal and external storage) and then letting my laptop be super lightweight and less expensive because the iMac is doing the heavy lifting.
 
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I've really come around to the model of having a well-spec'ed desktop (with lots of internal and external storage) and then letting my laptop be super lightweight and less expensive because the iMac is doing the heavy lifting.
This is typically what I do and it has worked well for me, both for Windows computers and Apple computers.
 
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DenisK

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Perhaps, because 8 gigs of RAM were relevant in 2010, and since then things have moved on, and even a zoom call today, not to mention a gazillion of safari tabs that most casual users tend to keep open would typically bring a machine equipped as such to studders? It could be, it is true that the new Apple silicon brings a magical new life to ram, entirely possible, but $200 - something that could be spent on a dinner and drinks would not sway me from getting 16, if I was to choose right now. It is for a reason that Apple still indicates how much of ram is on board. Contrary to something stated above, avoiding to spend an extra $200 now to save and putting it towards future upgrades makes absolutely no sense, if you consider time spent on the hassles of selling and purchasing again, but to each their own.
 
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People here oversold me on 8GB , so I got work MacBook Air with 8 GB of ram and while the machine is ok fast, it is for sure not super snappy. it is always paging and memory pressure is always in high yellow zone as it does not have enough memory. This is after opening Microsoft outlook, teams, 1-2 excel and word documents and 20 safari tabs and 5-10 edge tabs, Cisco vpn, Webex,some Apple apps like mail, calendar, messages etc. I am not sure if this is considered heavy or power work, but I wished I order 16 gb model.

Are you still having problems?

I trialed an 8GB MBP and it mostly performed just fine even though the memory pressure was constantly yellow because I was intentionally trying to push the machine.

Are you sure it wasn't what you were running? The one thing that made my M1 run slow ended up being the program itself and not the lack of RAM. Even when I ran that one program alone with nothing else loaded, it fared no better.

I'm a developer and photographer and have pretty heavy needs that were almost met with an 8GB M1 MBP. I've since gone back to my 2018 MBP with 32GB RAM, but I'd be surprised if anyone with moderate needs truly requires more than 8GB on an M1 Mac. When I do make the move to an M1 for good, I'm expecting to downgrade from 32GB to 16GB.
 
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Based on many use cases, 8GB on M1 does a fair bit better than 8GB on Intel (and 16GB better than 32GB).

I honestly think 8GB would probably be fine for me, but I plan to keep my machine "forever" so I plan to get 16GB because $200 is "cheap" insurance (at least compared to buying a new one with 16GB).
 
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I've gone back and forth trying both 8gb and 16gb and as concerned as I am about wanting to futureproof my m1 I find the 8gb more than sufficient for me.
 
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I boought the 8GB M1 MBA, but I'm a light user. No problems for me. One could always buy an 8GB and give it a thorough test drive during the 14 day return period. If it didn't perform as desired return it for exchange or refund.
 
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I boought the 8GB M1 MBA, but I'm a light user. No problems for me. One could always buy an 8GB and give it a thorough test drive during the 14 day return period. If it didn't perform as desired return it for exchange or refund.
Same here. Light user and noticed no issues so far.
 

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So since my laptop has been into service for almost 2 months because the authorized ACER service keeps breakng it, I’ve been looking into the Mac Mini M1. The 256/8 is like 600$ while the 256/16 is like 1000$.

If for the storage I can use some external SSDs or NVMes, paying 400 bucks for 16GB of RAM seems like a bad deal.

My general use would be: social media, movies, music, used to do video editing and encoding with VirtualDub/AviSynth (cleaning and upscaling) on Windows, but rarely do now, used to play old games on my Windows PC (like the Prince Of Persia series or GTA San Andreas) so hopefully there is some way to use Steam here or use Remote Desktop on the Windows laptop, maybe use GeForce now once it’s matured, edit xls files with maaaany lines, use it for light programming (Python or C). I’veread that Docker/K8s kills 8GB of RAM so maybe I will try to close everything before using that. Last, but not least, being ableto use a torrent client in the Apple ecosystem. Got tired of watching reencoded animes on streaming sites.

Any hope I won’t need to sell my kidney for the 16GB one? Is 8GB enough for you? Also will I be able to access it remotely from my iPad?

Thanks!
 

johannnn

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it is always paging and memory pressure is always in high yellow zone as it does not have enough memory.
Who cares? What you should talk about is if you actually notice it or not.

I do regular work (safari/random apps/office, etc) and I never notice when it pages. The machine is constantly with high memory pressure, but it's still faster than my 2019 iMac 27" SSD 32GB.
 
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I find future proofing to be a bit silly, I remember people saying this in threads about PowerMac G4s and then G5s, that it's a better investment than an iMac because in 3-4 years you'll still be able to upgrade it to current parts. By the time that actually came, PPC was irrelevant anyway so attempts at futureproofing were a waste. Not that a transition like that will happen again any time soon, but there's always something new around the corner, especially over a 5 year or more period. Another thing to consider is the lifespan of the hardware's function, you could spill coffee on it 2 years in and then the specs inside don't mean anything. It could have a busted USB port that drives you crazy, or the screen could get cracked. You never know what may happen, even if you are careful.

Just buy what you need in the present moment or short-term future, planning half a decade or more into the future with a tech purchase often doesn't pan out that way, at least from my experience.
 

DenisK

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"planning half a decade or more into the future with a tech purchase often doesn't pan out that way, at least from my experience." This is a more relevant statement for PC / Windows end of things, perhaps general tech, where things depreciate quickly, but Macs are different. Back in 2012 - I had an option of retaining unibodies with various configurations - all seemingly powerful then, vs. investing into a maxed-out MBA, with a new architecture on I7 intel and 8gigs of ram vs standard 2 or 4. Fast forward to now, and that maxed out MBA (which i bought as a refurb from Apple with an extra discount) is still relevant today, works for me as a daily driver just fine (well, beginning to show its limitations). So, have I chosen not to opt for higher capacities then, I'd be faced with a necessity to upgrade much sooner, maybe a few times, which, in the end, would be just money wasted, and lots of it. Was the maxed-out MBA pricier than the regular ones by some crazy factor? Yes, but buying new ones along the way would still be more expensive in the end.
Besides, is getting 16 gigs of ram today an act of future-proofing, or is it more like present-proofing? Have you considered the complexities of simple photos taken with a modern iPhone and then transferred to a Mac? Features like Live view and HDR, videos in 4K? And that's just one example. As long as Apple keeps telling us how much ram is on board it will signify that the metric is relevant and I'd always look to buy the highest capacity I can, as upgrading later by selling and buying new will burn more money and time. While A LOT depends on the individual's needs and uses, I'd say that back in 2012 i had no idea id need my Mac to cut videos with Final Cut - so I am very happy I spent extra on a machine that could handle it.
 
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"planning half a decade or more into the future with a tech purchase often doesn't pan out that way, at least from my experience." This is a more relevant statement for PC / Windows end of things, perhaps general tech, where things depreciate quickly, but Macs are different. Back in 2012 - I had an option of retaining unibodies with various configurations - all seemingly powerful then, vs. investing into a maxed-out MBA, with a new architecture on I7 intel and 8gigs of ram vs standard 2 or 4. Fast forward to now, and that maxed out MBA (which i bought as a refurb from Apple with an extra discount) is still relevant today, works for me as a daily driver just fine (well, beginning to show its limitations). So, have I chosen not to opt for higher capacities then, I'd be faced with a necessity to upgrade much sooner, maybe a few times, which, in the end, would be just money wasted, and lots of it. Was the maxed-out MBA pricier than the regular ones by some crazy factor? Yes, but buying new ones along the way would still be more expensive in the end.
Besides, is getting 16 gigs of ram today an act of future-proofing, or is it more like present-proofing? Have you considered the complexities of simple photos taken with a modern iPhone and then transferred to a Mac? Features like Live view and HDR, videos in 4K? And that's just one example. As long as Apple keeps telling us how much ram is on board it will signify that the metric is relevant and I'd always look to buy the highest capacity I can, as upgrading later by selling and buying new will burn more money and time. While A LOT depends on the individual's needs and uses, I'd say that back in 2012 i had no idea id need my Mac to cut videos with Final Cut - so I am very happy I spent extra on a machine that could handle it.
This is really a YMMV situation, my view is generally you should buy what the tasks you are purchasing the hardware for requires or what will make it more bearable. Buying 16GB now because you can utilize it now is a fair idea, but buying it because it's largely irrelevant now but may be relevant in 2026 might not be the wisest idea, depending on one's financial situation. I say this mostly due to my own experience with Apple laptops, which I've had a turnover rate of approximately 2 years on due to hardware failures. 2005 PB had lines in screen, 2007 MBP had GPU failure, 2008 MBP had busted keyboard backlight and Wi-Fi, 2011 MBP had GPU failure and so on. Simply a commentary of what I see in future-proofing, but you provide some good counterarguments.

I definitely do agree this trend is more prevalent in the general tech world because Windows and Android hardware don't seem to handle new software updates the way that Apple products do, amongst other things.
 

Expos of 1969

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... I say this mostly due to my own experience with Apple laptops, which I've had a turnover rate of approximately 2 years on due to hardware failures. 2005 PB had lines in screen, 2007 MBP had GPU failure, 2008 MBP had busted keyboard backlight and Wi-Fi, 2011 MBP had GPU failure and so on....
Yet you kept buying them. What is your limit, 5 badly made laptops and then you tell Apple to get lost? ;)
 

mouthster

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No regrets. I sold my 16" Pro with 16Gb of RAM and bought an 8/512 M1 Air to hold me over until the new MacBook Pro with M-Series came out. The 16" was a hot noisy mess. This Air with half the ram does everything I need, better, in every way. Now I may not upgrade to one of the M1X pros because I don't think I would get much out of it.
 

elmateo487

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People here oversold me on 8GB , so I got work MacBook Air with 8 GB of ram and while the machine is ok fast, it is for sure not super snappy. it is always paging and memory pressure is always in high yellow zone as it does not have enough memory. This is after opening Microsoft outlook, teams, 1-2 excel and word documents and 20 safari tabs and 5-10 edge tabs, Cisco vpn, Webex,some Apple apps like mail, calendar, messages etc. I am not sure if this is considered heavy or power work, but I wished I order 16 gb model.
Your problem is teams. It is a major POS
 
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