M1 Ultra is the last chip based on the M1

[ultrakyo]

Ok after fuether readings here is what we know

1. Apple said M1 Ultra is the last of M1 Family
2. Noted by Marcan (Linux Developer) that the interrupt only works up to to 2 Die
3. Apple also mentioned that M1 Max has reached physical limitation

So based on these key takeaways it would require a different chip and/or architecture for M1 Pro. Can’t wait to see what’s under their sleeves.

 

[januarydrive7]

Ok after fuether readings here is what we know

1. Apple said M1 Ultra is the last of M1 Family
2. Noted by Marcan (Linux Developer) that the interrupt only works up to to 2 Die
3. Apple also mentioned that M1 Max has reached physical limitation

So based on these key takeaways it would require a different chip and/or architecture for M1 Pro. Can’t wait to see what’s under their sleeves.

I fully expect something new for Mac Pro, but is there the possibility that the 2 die situation Hector discussed could refer to two Ultras? Apple's rhetoric seems to suggest the Ultra, while built by connecting two M1 Max's, is not to be seen as a Max Duo, as it is exposed logically as a single entity. Who knows? I'm looking forward to what's coming either way.

 

[ultrakyo]

I fully expect something new for Mac Pro, but is there the possibility that the 2 die situation Hector discussed could refer to two Ultras? Apple's rhetoric seems to suggest the Ultra, while built by connecting two M1 Max's, is not to be seen as a Max Duo, as it is exposed logically as a single entity. Who knows? I'm looking forward to what's coming either way.

I doubt as he mentioned before two Max/M1 even before the Ultra announcement.

However it is possible they might do multi Ultra chips for Mac Pro through traditional means.

 

[LonestarOne]

Is it possible that Jade 4C just didn’t work out? There’s no real reason to discount Apple’s direct statements in favor of a rumor.

A good article on what happens when you rely on rumors over data:

The Mac Studio and Studio Display prove you're never too old to be humbled

Opinion: Time to eat crow

www.techradar.com

 

[slainbabyyc]

A good article on what happens when you rely on rumors over data:

The Mac Studio and Studio Display prove you're never too old to be humbled

Opinion: Time to eat crow

www.techradar.com

seems like that guy just relied on the wrong rumors lol

 

[Flint Ironstag]

M1 Max already performs like a 16-core AMD 5950X.

What exactly does the competition have that is at risk of outperforming the M1 Ultra or 2x M1 Ultra?

The ability to upgrade over time.

I think you are right though; people who really need a 64-core GPU are almost certainly generating income from the machine, and the "entry price" is just another business cost.

Problem is that I have to max CPU to get that GPU. Only with Apple.

 

[dieselm]

The ability to upgrade over time.

Problem is that I have to max CPU to get that GPU. Only with Apple.

And the folks that want solid multi-core CPU performance have to take a high-core GPU.

Everyone is allowed to pay for expensive storage though. Unless you need > 2TB, then you'll need to take both a high-end CPU and GPU. ;-).

The entry-level hardware is crazy good value.

 

[throAU]

Should we bet that the next Mac Pro will have a Quad M1 Max - 40 CPU Cores , 128 GPU Core 256 GB Unified memory and 16 TB SSD and 1.6 TB bandwith .. introduction this WWDC

Given the Mac pro type workloads are doing massive number crunching/batch work and likely not quite as sensitive to latency on the same level as a desktop, it is conceivable that they could just do 2-4 socket m1-ultra.

The power requirements are trivially achieved in a smaller chassis than the intel Mac Pro and that would be 40-80 cores and 512GB RAM with 256 GPU cores in a 4 socket config.

Overkill for most, but for those who need that sort of power the socket to socket latency is an acceptable trade-off.

 

[Bodhitree]

The way I interpreted John Ternus’ remarks was that the M1 Ultra was the furthest they had decided to push the M1 soc concept, and that the Mac Studio would be the highest performing member of the lineup.

Nowhere have I seen any indication of external PCIe connectivity, non-Apple GPUs and non-soldered RAM, which would be required for a Mac Pro with a lot of modularity and user-upgradeable parts. Which leads me to think if it exists it will be a separate die, which again seems like a lot of engineering effort for a niche product like the Mac Pro.

It would make more sense to me if there was another update to the Intel Mac Pro coming. They just recently released a 6600-series GPU module for it, it still seems to be somewhat under development.

 

[Gotfredsen]

I think this is what I think we will see inside the next Mac Pro ... slot in modules with CPU, GPU and RAM on the same board ... configurable with Dual or Quad per board ...

 

[Juuro]

I think this is what I think we will see inside the next Mac Pro ... slot in modules with CPU, GPU and RAM on the same board ... configurable with Dual or Quad per board ...
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With M1 Ultra (Dual) cards I can go with you. But I doubt we will see some kind of Quad cards. As far as we know this is not possible. The M1 Max has only one side with an interface and its IRQ controller can only work with two dies as Hector Martin found out in November and was kind of confirmed by Apple this Tuesday.

 

[Gotfredsen]

With M1 Ultra (Dual) cards I can go with you. But I doubt we will see some kind of Quad cards. As far as we know this is not possible. The M1 Max has only one side with an interface and its IRQ controller can only work with two dies as Hector Martin found out in November and was kind of confirmed by Apple this Tuesday.

M2 Max Dual M2 Max Quad ... CPU, GPU and RAM on the same board on slot in modules, SSD upgradable

 

[Juuro]

M2 Max Dual M2 Max Quad ... CPU, GPU and RAM on the same board on slot in modules, SSD upgradable

Okay, we don't know anything about M2. So that might be possible. But I think the most powerful M2 SoCs are at least a year (more like 1.5 years) away from now.

 

[Gotfredsen]

Okay, we don't know anything about M2. So that might be possible. But I think the most powerful M2 SoCs are at least a year (more like 1.5 years) away from now.

Yeah could simply be Dual M1X or Quad M1X on a board CPU, GPU and RAM on the same board on slot in modules, SSD upgradable .. who knows ... but slot in modules would make it modular that way M1X Ultra in Mac Pro is a bit faster then M1 Ultra in Mac Studio and M1X can work as Quad because its not M1 ..

 

[Juuro]

Yeah could simply be Dual M1X or Quad M1X on a board CPU, GPU and RAM on the same board on slot in modules, SSD upgradable .. who knows ... but slit in modules would make it modular

I think there will be modules but I think there will not be a variant of M1 as some kind of "Quad". I expect to see M1 Ultra modules at WWDC this June. Mac App Developers have to compile their apps with Xcode again to take full advantage of multiple M1 Ultra modules. Maybe there will also be M1 Max modules, but I don't really see the point. I think the Mac Pro will be M1 Ultra only.
I might be wrong. They ma be doing something completely different with the Mac Pro or they delay it until next year and release the first Apple Silicon Mac Pro with a M2 chip. But I doubt that, otherwise John Ternus wouldn't have hinted so prominently to the Mac Pro.
But what I'm pretty sure of ist that there is not 4 x M1 Max chip. Since this Tuesday we know all chips of the M1 family/architecture.

 

[Appletoni]

He say in the video that UltraFusion is a MULTI-die chip architecture ... NOT a DUAL chip architecture .. so this confirms we will defently see a Quad Chip and even a Octo chip heck like a wrote way way back with a multi-die chip architecture the whole system becomes modular in a sense that we can se machines like

Mac Studio
2 M1 Max Chip
20 CPU Core
64 GPU Core
128 GB Unified memory

Mac Pro
4 M1 Max Chip
40 CPU Core
128 GPU Core
256 GB Unified memory

Mac Pro
8 M1 Max Chip
80 CPU Core
256 GPU Core
512 GB Unified memory

Mac Pro
12 M1 Max Chip
120 CPU Core
384 GPU Core
768 GB Unified memory

The MacBook Pro should have at least 2x M1 MAX chip and
the Mac Studio should have at least 4x M1 Max chip.

 

[Gotfredsen]

The MacBook Pro should have at least 2x M1 MAX chip and
the Mac Studio should have at least 4x M1 Max chip.

I think it will be hard to get a 2x M1 Max into MacBook Pro More likely that we see a M2 Max in next years MacBook Pro .... multiply M1 Max Chips aka UltraFusion or M2 Max Chips are something we likely only see in Mac Studio and Mac Pro .... in the Mac Pro I think we will see slot in modules hosting CPU, GPU and RAM on the same board .. and the Mac Pro will have something like 2-4 slots .. that way the CPU, GPU and RAM are user upgradable ... but they are only upgradable together ... looking something like this ...

 

[Appletoni]

I think it will be hard to get a 2x M1 Max into MacBook Pro More likely that we see a M2 Max in next years MacBook Pro .... multiply M1 Max Chips aka UltraFusion or M2 Max Chips are something we likely only see in Mac Studio and Mac Pro .... in the Mac Pro I think we will see slot in modules hosting CPU, GPU and RAM on the same board .. and the Mac Pro will have something like 2-4 slots .. that way the CPU, GPU and RAM are user upgradable ... but they are only upgradable together ... looking something like this ... View attachment 1972185

Many things are possible. We shouldn’t forget that no one is using full cpu and gpu and npu and ram and ssd and… power in the same time = no heat problems when using M1 Ultra or M2 Ultra inside the MacBook Pro.
Don‘t forget we are talking about Apple so every improvement is possible.
We can also expect to see sooner or later 18-inch and 20-inch MacBook Pro, which will have a nice big screen and much more space to be used for hardware.

 

[darngooddesign]

Since Ultra is a combination of Maxs, and Ultra could be a family instead of a single product, there could be a 4*Max or 8*Max Ultra. Besides, why would Apple tell Intel that they were working on a 4*Max or 8*Max chip?

 

[caribbeanblue]

I fully expect something new for Mac Pro, but is there the possibility that the 2 die situation Hector discussed could refer to two Ultras? Apple's rhetoric seems to suggest the Ultra, while built by connecting two M1 Max's, is not to be seen as a Max Duo, as it is exposed logically as a single entity. Who knows? I'm looking forward to what's coming either way.

No, he meanst he limit with somewhat conventional methods is 2 M1 Max dies with the M1 hardware. But that could change with the M2 Max/Ultra