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...and Windows 11 is really Windows 10 'cos they missed out 9!
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M2 is really just m1.1 (Update, I was wrong).
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...and Windows 11 is really Windows 10 'cos they missed out 9!
the m2 is to m1 what the a15 was to a14. A small non-substantial upgrade cpu wise(gpu/neural engine apart).
it was to be expected with Apple A-series cpu. When they started, they had a massive project ahead and plenty of area to improve. With time, there’s less and less.
Mark my word: Intel have been known since their inception to have the ability to rebound. Intel will find a way of combining arm/x86-64 into one chip. They will come back to the market and Apple will go back to them in the next 5-7 years due to Intel investing a gigantic amount into fab and will be the only one able to offer better performance/price than TSMC. Or Intel will crash and burn and Apple will buy them out .
it was to be expected with Apple A-series cpu. When they started, they had a massive project ahead and plenty of area to improve. With time, there’s less and less.
Mark my word: Intel have been known since their inception to have the ability to rebound. Intel will find a way of combining arm/x86-64 into one chip. They will come back to the market and Apple will go back to them in the next 5-7 years due to Intel investing a gigantic amount into fab and will be the only one able to offer better performance/price than TSMC. Or Intel will crash and burn and Apple will buy them out .
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Arbitrary baseless contrarian threads bring the ad views, tho and the engagement. It’s what the internet is made of now.
Apple has at least 18 month intervals between the newest chip/hardware than the last. You won’t see M3 until sometime in 2024. So keep waiting while everyone enjoys the current hardware
That's an entirely different can of worms. Windows Vista was the commercial name for Windows 6.0, Windows 7 was actually Windows 6.1 under the surface, and Windows 8(.1) was version 6.2(6.3). Windows 10 then made the jump to version 10.0, and Windows 11 has kept that number (the current release is version 10.0.22000.740).Technically, Windows 11 is still Windows 7. Or is it Vista? I forget
What makes you think it will come down with any significance? the M1 air new is still sold by apple for 999$. Same price as the debut of it. Other retailers like Costco may be come down on price in a couple years but it will all be for the bare bones base model
You're not wrong.
However, the "process" used (5nm vs. 3nm) does have a significant impact
What seems to have happened here is that various people made optimistic
I don't think Apple have ever said anything about what the M2 would be, and the actual M2 is a decent improvement over the M1. The price hike - and apparent move to the "keep last year's model around as the entry level" wheeze - is disappointing, but maybe not unexpected.
Or, to summarise the summary of the summary, numbers in product names have no real significance.
Sigh. I apologise for missing the "sarcasm" tag off my previous post.
I think that discussing the technology behind the chips can be interesting and educational. Of course, the way how these discussions tend to go on MacRumors are beyond ridiculous. Mind my words, this thread will reach dozens of pages — just because people discuss how the chips should be named based on their expectations...
Haha, I just can't help pointing out silly numbering schemes. Your tone was pretty clear
The actual reason for jumping to Windows 10 was because 7 8 9. Everyone knows that.
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My 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro is faster than the M2 MacBook Air. So what am I missing out on exactly in terms of performance?
And TSMC is ready in 2023 for 3nm so Apple could do it in 2023.
You must be looking at some really nice children's toys.
Why does it have to be X nm to be a new version. So instead of 12th gen of their current series is Intel on like 6th gen because they stuck to 14 nm forever?
I guess my gaming PC has a i7-5700K 🤣
I guess my gaming PC has a i7-5700K 🤣
I agree with your thinking. I am retired now. I was a Creative (when it meant something) at Apple for 8 years, and after leaving I felt like I needed to keep up with each release...not any more. I did purchase a 2020 M1 MBA and it will be my Mac until it's broken or unsupported.
If it's for your work then I can understand but unless the new one has a feature that you would really want I don't see the point. Some people make hundreds or thousands of dollars every hour with their computer so in that case even 10% faster is worth it.
Windows 7 was fixed Vista.Technically, Windows 11 is still Windows 7. Or is it Vista? I forget
Windows 11 is 7 due to inflation.
In honesty I ****in wish 10/11 was 7. I want my classic mode back dammit, 10’s ui is godawful (though 11’s ui is much better). And I don’t want a half-baked microsoft account for everything or deliberately confusing telemetry options.
Why would you expect the base M2 to be faster than the M1 Max unless you originally picked the wrong processor for your workload? You've got twice the performance cores, 2-3x the GPU cores, a second media engine etc. so the sort of generation-on-generation 10-30% improvement in single CPU/GPU core performance isn't going to beat out the extra cores on multithreaded/GPU-heavy/codec-heavy jobs. Plus you've got the extra RAM, I/O and display support to factor in.
The only people who might be affected are people are considering buying the M1 Pro, especially the cheaper 'binned' version. Even so, the M2 probably won't do better than give the M1 Pro a run for its money - and the Pro still has better I/O and display support - so it's not going to be worth considering as an upgrade.
If/when a M2 Max comes out - with the extra cores and I/O - you'll have a comparison to make. Even then... these days I wouldn't be looking for a must-have upgrade on a "pro" computer until it was at least 3 years old. If the M3 Pro/Max comes out in 2024 and offers seriously better performance because 3nm then that's about right.
Regardles of your fight whether it is M2 or 1.1. Important will be:
Media engine, faster memory, more memory, magsafe and I guess performance wise it will be Metal 3. It can make Any silicon mac good gaming machine, not and threat to gaming PCs but good one.
From usability point it can be besides magsafe same batery life with better performance.
So every one can vote with own money...
I have a base model M1 Pro MBP on order (after the 2020 Intel model I had died) and I still think it's the right choice for me. The M2 looks like a nice upgrade over the base M1 but there are still circumstances where the M1 Pro and higher models excel over the M2, as you point out, and that's why I'm getting it (if the thing ever gets shipped).
Not here because the ads are blocked.Arbitrary baseless contrarian threads bring the ad views, tho and the engagement. It’s what the internet is made of now.
I’m only here because there’s not a lot else to do while you’re on the toilet
Obligatory inflammatory post of the thread right here!
On balance, most of those MSI, Gigabyte, Razer, ASUS and AlienWare look like child’s toys to me, so there’s that.