Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

GrumpyCoder

macrumors 68020
Nov 15, 2016
2,126
2,706
I'm surprised Apple kept the 13" MBP around. Just consider it a pricing weirdness.
The MBP with M2 is around to give an option that doesn’t throttle for heavier workloads, because it has active cooling/fans. The MBA always lacked that option. As to why they did stick to the old design, I have no idea. A 15” MBA would have been nice or a “thinner” 15” MBP with M2 option and both could have had fans. They blew that chance.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kazgarth and kc9hzn

iHorseHead

macrumors 68000
Jan 1, 2021
1,594
2,003
As the original author of this post...

I realize the 14" MBP is the best buy in this group.

But my girlfriend is looking for something more basic

It would probably be the AIR

But when you put the AIR at the same price point as the MBP (which is really odd), don't you think it makes sense to go with the MBP?
azaeLjp1_700w_0.jpg
 

rme

macrumors 6502
Jul 19, 2008
323
496
Have Apple increased the US prices of the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro?
They have just raised the prices in the UK and Europe.
You should blame the central banks that printed too much money. (especially the ecb). They caused all this inflation. It's not Apple's fault.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AlexMac89

bobmans

macrumors 6502a
Feb 7, 2020
598
1,751
Have Apple increased the US prices of the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro?

They have just raised the prices in the UK and Europe.

The 13 inch MacBook Pro was £1249 / €1299. Now it's £1349 / €1599!

The new MacBook Air has a much bigger price increase. It started at £949 / €949. The new model is £1249 / €1499!
It's crazy, right?
M1 Macbook air went from €949 -> 1219€. Old tech should decrease in price, not increase.
M1 MBP started at €1249, M2 MBP starts at €1619
 

Yebubbleman

macrumors 603
May 20, 2010
6,024
2,616
Los Angeles, CA
View attachment 2014457 View attachment 2014458

Am I missing something? I must be.

Pricing out a 13" Macbook Air and Pro for my girlfriend.

Both come with 16GB ram and 512SSD

Both are priced at $1,699. Am I missing the obvious here?

You are correct, no point buying any of these new models. You are better off even getting a 14" if you want 16GB of RAM tbh.

View attachment 2014477

Came to the exact same conclusion seconds ago. My guess is that it'll come down to how much the fan actually matters, just like with the M1 versions.


The point is, the MBP is supposed to be the better machine overall.

So, when you put the AIR and the MBP at the same price point, don't you think it makes sense to go with the MBP?

Or has the AIR surpassed the MBP in hardware features?

Honestly, it'll boil down to (a) how much the fan being there actually matters, (b) how much you hate or love the Touch Bar, and (c) whether you trust a brand new hardware design or one that has a couple of years under its belt with nary an Apple repair extension program in sight.

Frankly, my answer to (c) directs me towards the MacBook Pro. Having worked in computer repair and IT with regards to Apple devices for the past 20 years, I know better than to be the first using a new design.

You'll notice that the 14" base MBP is also the same price as these 2 on sale, or from the education store - when you've spec'd up the M2 Air and M2 13" Pro to have 16GB Ram. the 14" MBP is a no brainer at these prices

If all you're caring about is performance you won't need, then sure. Otherwise, the 14" has the worst battery life out of all of the Apple Silicon Mac notebooks and the worst thermal performance. Would take literally any other Apple Silicon Mac notebook over a 14" at this point for those reasons alone.
 

NJRonbo

macrumors 68040
Original poster
Jan 10, 2007
3,233
1,224
You are correct, no point buying any of these new models. You are better off even getting a 14" if you want 16GB of RAM tbh.

View attachment 2014477


Trying to figure that statement out.

If I am looking for an entry-level M2 with 16GB of ram why would I pay $300 for the 14-inch?

If this were for me, I would do it. I already own a loaded 16-inch M1 with 64GB of ram.

However, I'm not looking to go overboard for my girlfriend who is only going to use the device for browsing and Word applications.

So, the biggest decision I have is an M2 AIR and an M2 PRO at the same price for the same configuration. Not a bad choice to have before you.
 

alexonline

macrumors regular
Mar 7, 2015
240
207
Because I want to get her the newest models with Magsafe and future-proofed with M2.

I don't mind spending a little bit more for the M2 AIR over the M1 AIR.

My question from the start is what choice do I make when the M2 AIR is the same price as the M2 MBP? And why is that even the case here?
Inflation sucks. If your GF isn't a hard core user, get her the super light, super cool, totally amazing MacBook Air with M2. No brainer, this is the best all-round Mac right now.
 

PrayForMojo

macrumors newbie
Jun 6, 2022
4
4
Trying to figure that statement out.

If I am looking for an entry-level M2 with 16GB of ram why would I pay $300 for the 14-inch?

If this were for me, I would do it. I already own a loaded 16-inch M1 with 64GB of ram.

However, I'm not looking to go overboard for my girlfriend who is only going to use the device for browsing and Word applications.

So, the biggest decision I have is an M2 AIR and an M2 PRO at the same price for the same configuration. Not a bad choice to have before you.

I'm in the same boat for my wife and I'm leaning towards the M2 Air. None of the benefits of the 14 Pro is really that relevant for what she'll be using it for, so might as well pocket the $300 difference. If anything, the fanless Air might be more reliable long term since that's one less thing to break.
 

NJRonbo

macrumors 68040
Original poster
Jan 10, 2007
3,233
1,224
Inflation sucks. If your GF isn't a hard core user, get her the super light, super cool, totally amazing MacBook Air with M2. No brainer, this is the best all-round Mac right now.

I agree. However, if weight isn't an issue, wouldn't it be better to upgrade her to the new M2 Macbook Pro if it's the same exact price? That's the issue here. The prices are exactly identical and the MBP has thermal cooling which she probably won't need, but still, an uptick of a machine.
 

PrayForMojo

macrumors newbie
Jun 6, 2022
4
4
I agree. However, if weight isn't an issue, wouldn't it be better to upgrade her to the new M2 Macbook Pro if it's the same exact price? That's the issue here. The prices are exactly identical and the MBP has thermal cooling which she probably won't need, but still, an uptick of a machine.
A few things the M2 Air has over the 13 Pro:
  • Magsafe charger
  • Slightly bigger and better display
  • 1080p vs 720p webcam
  • Better speakers (I think)
  • No touchbar
As for thermal cooling, if you don't really do anything too processor intensive I would imagine the fan might actually be a liability. More noise, more dust, and one more thing that can break.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mectojic

JPack

macrumors G5
Mar 27, 2017
13,543
26,166
Apple-WWDC22-M2-chip-GPU-perf-vs-power-01-220606_big.jpg.large.jpg


We've already had this discussion for the past 18 months, haven't we?

M1 throttles after a minute in MBA. It needs a fan to sustain performance, which is called MBP 13. M2 is even hotter. It's going to need a fan even more if you want sustained performance.

Yes, you're effectively paying for the fan and brighter display in MBP.
 
  • Like
Reactions: rme

MrGunny94

macrumors 65816
Dec 3, 2016
1,148
675
Malaga, Spain
Trying to figure that statement out.

If I am looking for an entry-level M2 with 16GB of ram why would I pay $300 for the 14-inch?

If this were for me, I would do it. I already own a loaded 16-inch M1 with 64GB of ram.

However, I'm not looking to go overboard for my girlfriend who is only going to use the device for browsing and Word applications.

So, the biggest decision I have is an M2 AIR and an M2 PRO at the same price for the same configuration. Not a bad choice to have before you.
I mean we are discussing as power users, get access to 200gb/s memory bandwidth and you get 120hz, 3 external displays.. and etc..

Just saying for 300 more you get more bang for you buck, if you are already configuring It’s because you are a power user
 
  • Like
Reactions: AlexMac89

NJRonbo

macrumors 68040
Original poster
Jan 10, 2007
3,233
1,224
A few things the M2 Air has over the 13 Pro:
  • Magsafe charger
  • Slightly bigger and better display
  • 1080p vs 720p webcam
  • Better speakers (I think)
  • No touchbar
As for thermal cooling, if you don't really do anything too processor intensive I would imagine the fan might actually be a liability. More noise, more dust, and one more thing that can break.

Thanks for that comparison.

Okay, thought they upgraded the M2 Pro with Magsafe. Guess not.

So, it does make sense to go with the AIR

And perhaps the reason why the prices are the same is that you get more improved features with the AIR but potentially more power efficiency with the PRO
 

NJRonbo

macrumors 68040
Original poster
Jan 10, 2007
3,233
1,224
I mean we are discussing as power users, get access to 200gb/s memory bandwidth and you get 120hz, 3 external displays.. and etc..

Just saying for 300 more you get more bang for you buck, if you are already configuring It’s because you are a power user

I am a power user. For me, you would be making perfect sense.

Considering it for a significant other makes no sense to spend $300 more when all she does is browse the Internet and do Word applications.

Oh, and she wants to buy it for herself. She won't allow me to buy it for her. So, her money and it's going to be hard to talk her into spending $300 more for something she doesn't need.

Believe me you, I totally understand your reasoning as a power user.
 

PrayForMojo

macrumors newbie
Jun 6, 2022
4
4
Thanks for that comparison.

Okay, thought they upgraded the M2 Pro with Magsafe. Guess not.

So, it does make sense to go with the AIR

And perhaps the reason why the prices are the same is that you get more improved features with the AIR but potentially more power efficiency with the PRO

I'm halfway convinced that the only reason the 13" M2 Pro exists is as a decoy pricing exercise. It's raison d'etre appears to be to give people the perception of choice, when it's really just funneling people to either the M2 Air or the 14" Pro. Power users are going to find value in upgrading to the 14" Pro for a scant $300, and regular users are probably going to find the M2 Air's featureset more compelling.
 

akidd

macrumors regular
Jan 30, 2007
226
117
Tunbridge Wells, UK
I am a power user. For me, you would be making perfect sense.

Considering it for a significant other makes no sense to spend $300 more when all she does is browse the Internet and do Word applications.

Oh, and she wants to buy it for herself. She won't allow me to buy it for her. So, her money and it's going to be hard to talk her into spending $300 more for something she doesn't need.

Believe me you, I totally understand your reasoning as a power user.
Ah, I’ve been following this and was going to say how great it was you were buying it for her, but if it’s her $, then save her the $300. She’ll hopefully love you more for it.
 

NJRonbo

macrumors 68040
Original poster
Jan 10, 2007
3,233
1,224
Ah, I’ve been following this and was going to say how great it was you were buying it for her, but if it’s her $, then save her the $300. She’ll hopefully love you more for it.

She won't let me buy it for her. I wanted to. So, yeah, money is the ultimate consideration here.
 
  • Like
Reactions: akidd

apparatchik

macrumors 6502a
Mar 6, 2008
883
2,689
Another difference not stated here is the fast-charging capability on the new MBA, 50% in 30 minutes, depending on your gf's lifestyle this might be relevant, a former gf used to be permanently on the run, always having to pack the adapter, which was messy, the magsafe cord ended broken etc.

With the great battery-life of AS Macs and the flexibility of usb c as a fallback charging option, she might be able to fast-charge and run without having to bring the adapter along for the day, etc. Like charging your Apple Watch before going out.
 

thievesarmy

macrumors newbie
May 27, 2014
7
3
LA
As the original author of this post...

I realize the 14" MBP is the best buy in this group.
Keep in mind that the base 14" MBP has been going for as low as $1749 US periodically. I was able to get mine at that price in mid-March on Amazon and I know it was at that price about a month or so prior to that too.
 

Unregistered 4U

macrumors G4
Jul 22, 2002
10,610
8,628
Here’s a good comparison page.
You can see that the AIR has the better specs between the two, higher res screen and higher res camera.
 

apparatchik

macrumors 6502a
Mar 6, 2008
883
2,689
Here’s a good comparison page.
You can see that the AIR has the better specs between the two, higher res screen and higher res camera.

It’s also lighter, and has much more modern design and, personally, better available colors as well…
 

Love-hate 🍏 relationship

macrumors 68040
Sep 19, 2021
3,057
3,235
New MBP M2 kept the crappy 720p webcam so one advantage to the MBA M2.

Hope they improved the passive thermal throttling on the MBA otherwise what's the point of increased specs to have it thermal throttle?
the 1080p webcam is even more crappy if u wanna know lol

the point is : faster burst speeds
 
  • Angry
Reactions: AlexMac89
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.