The only way it makes sense to me is if they use TSMC A16 and introduce SPR (Super Power Rail) — I could see a June 2027 announcement with Fall 2027 availability. I also think they could call it M6 Pro/Max/Ultra, not M7.
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M4+ Chip Generation - Speculation Megathread [MERGED]
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Is this a spreadsheet of chips or of codenames for the chips? In the latter, case it is matter of what leaks sprung on the codenames. 'Hidra' leaked early was early on linked to magical top end solution coming out ( Hildra and 'ultra' appearing in conversations together. ). And yet is this is correct it is the plain M5.
The M7 entries all have question marks next to their name. More than a decent chance that the stuff with '?' is at least as much as "guess" as it is a documented and confirmed leak. Those entries also follow the same 'S' , 'C', 'D' sequence. If the '?" turns into M6 Pro/Max/Ultra then mystery solved.
Curious too but when I saw like 1.2 it/s on an sd 1.5 model in Comfy UI, I thought where like well guess I am saving that money.
Definitely not made for interference, training yes maybe.
$ is just $
The prospect of creating unlimited imagery locally--free from API rate limits (and cloud costs)--coupled with the expectation of maintaining (I am hoping to assume) personal privacy is a ++
I've already dropped USD2K on a base AM5 EPYC system; it really didn't make a lot of immediate sense to drop another USD9K on a Tier-1 GPU. The cost-effective (albeit gimp'ed) Blackwells (USD2K-USD6K) are non-existent from a purchasing standpoint 🤷♂️
I'm anticipating finding a cohesive blend of inference vs training...and a greater understanding of what I can do when the tech improves.
Take a look at Draw Things if you haven't. It has a native app you can find in the App Store, and a discord with a lot of helpful people. Apple actually name-dropped the app in their M5 press release. That app has always been designed around local generation specifically for Apple Silicon, but they have now added a cloud-based choice as an option for those who want it.$ is just $
The prospect of creating unlimited imagery locally--free from API rate limits (and cloud costs)--coupled with the expectation of maintaining (I am hoping to assume) personal privacy is a ++
They have a few things on technical details of what they do at engineering.drawthings.ai
I believe this is to be pretty accurate. Codenames usually leaked in software betas. As for how we know which chip each codename corresponds to, it is relatively easy to guess by the pattern of CPID. For example, since we know T6030 is M3 Pro and T6040 is M4 Pro, now T6050 is Sotra, we can be fairly confident that Sotra is M5 Pro.
Regarding the redesigned MacBook Pro, note that M5 Pro/Max were not released together with M5, which was an unusual move. This could mean the rumored redesigned MacBook Pro will be equipped with M5 Pro/Max and be released in 2026. It will be similar to the situation in 2021: old design MacBook Pro 13 with M1 were selling together with MacBook Pro 14"/16" with M1 Pro/Max.
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Gurman said Hidra was a Ultra-tier chip but it turned out to be very wrong. Regarding silicon codenames Gurman's track record is not as good as his record on final products.
The moment we know Hidra is M5 not an Ultra is when we have its CPID T8142, since T8132 is M4 and T8122 is M3. Similarly, Komodo being M6 and Delos being M7 is fairly certain now.
Yeah I dunno - the original link isn't specific as to what the original user was looking at but they seem to be able to relate code names to chip IDs, but looking at those chip IDs and @wmy5's list again, I think you are correct, those are almost certainly M6 Pro/Max/Ultra.
Looking at the pattern though I'm pretty sure those are M6 Pro/Max/Ultra. He may have placed them after M6 in the chart, but look at the numbers:
M3 Pro - Ultra: T6030s
M4 Pro - Max: T6040s
M5 Pro - Ultra: T6050s
So it would stand to reason that T6060s would be M6 Pro-Ultra would it not?
Aye but similar logic should dictate that T6060s would be M6, yes?
That's true.
Aye the closest thing would be an M5 Pro/Max box when it finally arrives. I'm actually impressed they managed to get a GPU with its size into that enclosure. When you get a chance would you mind running something like Geekbench GPU OpenCL on it (I don't think it has support for Vulkan)?
Other than CPID there is PlatformName, like H17G. The number indicates the generation, and suffix indicates the chip type. This has been fairly consistent in the past.
G = base Mac or iPad Pro chip (Mx)
A = base iPhone chip (Axx)
P = Pro iPhone chip (Axx Pro)
S = Max "chop" chip (Mx Pro)
C = full Max chip (Mx Max)
D = Ultrafusion'd Max chip (Mx Ultra)
T6060, T6061, T6062 happens to be H19S, H19C, H19D respectively. If they were M6 Pro/Max/Ultra they would have been H18S, H18C and H18D.
But of course I could be totally wrong. Everything on my list is an educated guess at best.
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That's a good point. I still would like to see the original document Ilikeiphone saw though - this isn't quite "an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence" but it's certainly an eyebrow raising claim that I'd want to see confirmation of from another source because, to me, the M6 would've been one of the least likely chip generations to skip over Pro/Max SOCs given what everything else we know, or at least think, is coming.
The MBP 14/16 , Mni Pro , and Mac Studio could just be leaving the more mainstream stuff behind on the 'platform' side. Way better I/O ( PCI-e v5 ? , display out upgrade , or something not CPU or GPU core centric. ) . Apple's SDHC offerings are not all that top end . The Mac Pro is definitely dragging behind on PCI-e slot backhaul bandwidth relative to competitive offerings. There is a fair amount of stuff on the dies besides just more general compute 'cores' . All really need is some I/O that doesn't need to trickle down to the iPads and the entry MBA and basically shift the 'platform' technology.
Similarly Apple weaving some aspects of N-family ( follow on to N1) onto the main SoC package. Bigger package more places could stuff that if did something 'exotic' with the packaing. Again a bigger platform shift for those than for the 'plain' Mn on that generation.
P.S. if the Mn + Rm combo is going to be around long term. The iPad and the Vision reuirements should get some drift from the stuff that is gong to be Mac deployed only. The 'cores' are reusable , but the focus points on I/O should get substantively different.
That's an interesting idea. I like it. In addition, I've always found it odd that the platform IDs for A-series chips was one ahead of the M-series chips (e.g. A19/Pro is H18 while the M5s are H17). Apple updating Pro/Max, but not the base M chip, in such a way that they have a higher platform ID (and one that matches the A-series) could definitely work as a solution here.
This is indeed quite odd. Also M series chip's NPU is one generation behind the contemporary A series chip but the CPU and GPU are on par. For example:
| PlatformID | CPU | GPU | NPU | |
| M5 | H17G | Everest V4 + Sawtooth V4 | Apple10 family G17G | H17_Theia_J73y |
| A18 Pro | H17P | Everest V3 + Sawtooth V3 | Apple9 family G17P | H17_Theia_D9x |
| A19 Pro | H18P | Everest V4 + Sawtooth V4 | Apple10 family G18P | H18_Apollo_V5x |
Aye, I think I'm going with @deconstruct60's idea as being more likely then - that this is evidence that Apple will be upgrading the platform for the Pro/Max in the M6 generation rather than skipping the M6 generation for those SOCs. Will be interesting to see what that means in practice if so.
What does GXXY mean at the end of the GPU family? M5 is Apple 10 family like A19 Pro but G17 like the A18 Pro?
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