Can’t wait to see what M4 max and Ultra can do. Can Apple put an ultra in 16 MBP. Apple should put M4 in AVP 2.
Thanks for the info 👍🏼The author is confused in a number of ways, which have already been discussed in other threads here.
Even if IPC gains are as low as 3% - even if they were 0%, which they're clearly not - this would not be a fail. Driving clocks 9% higher without *losing* IPC is a huge win, and not one that should be taken for granted.
If you look at the various subtests you'll see 15-20% gains are common. Factor out the 9% for clocks and you still have a really serious uplift.
And these are only the base iPad M4 benchmarks. It will be interesting to see the Pro, Max, and possibly Ultra benchmarks. But benchmarks are useless compared to real world testing. So we'll need to wait for those.As far as CPU goes, single core is MUCH better than M2 Max, and Multi Core is the same. I'm thinking Metal on M2 Max is much higher though?
So basically, outside of Metal, an M4 is an M3 Pro or an M2 Max, though again, I'm thinking those win bigger in Metal.
Still, nice generational improvements. A MBA with M4 is up there with a Mac Studio with M2 Max right now. Not factoring in RAM, but still.
People will latch onto the tiniest morsel to shade Apple in some way. It's tiring.The author is confused in a number of ways, which have already been discussed in other threads here.
Even if IPC gains are as low as 3% - even if they were 0%, which they're clearly not - this would not be a fail. Driving clocks 9% higher without *losing* IPC is a huge win, and not one that should be taken for granted.
If you look at the various subtests you'll see 15-20% gains are common. Factor out the 9% for clocks and you still have a really serious uplift.
Apple controls the hardware and the acceleration libraries built on it. They aren't including generic processing blocks the way Intel would, they're including hardware they see a system benefit for.“The big single-core gains on Geekbench could be fueled by newly added support for Scalable Matrix Extensions (SME) — some of the subtests, like object detection and image blurring, see massive gains (~200% for object detection). Support would imply that Apple is using an ARMv9 architecture, but this isn't yet confirmed. In either case, SME would give a strong boost to some of the tests that form Geekbench’s CPU suite, bumping up the overall single-core score. However, Geekbench 6 only recently introduced support for SME with version 6.3, and Intel's competing AMX isn't supported. That's largely because matrix workloads are a better fit for other forms of compute, like the NPU or GPU, than the CPU cores. As such, it isn't clear how much real-world benefit SME would deliver if run on the CPU cores, if any, in daily usage.”
I think they aren't comparing to M3 to not denigrate the existing M3 products in the line.It would explain why Apple so far has provided zero performance comparisons to the M3.
And battery life. At modern performance levels I'm willing to trade benchmark speed for battery life. How fast do they think I can type?I get where you’re coming from but the average MacBook buyer in my opinion is not spec driven but wants an affordable Mac experience.
Yeah, hope so...If the M1 chip introduction was any indicator so far, I’d say we’re in for more of the same.
Yeah, hope so...
I think not, by definition. If they could put it in a 16", they'd make it Ultra-er.Can Apple put an ultra in 16 MBP.
I was referring to M4 Ultra. I doubt Apple will release Mac Studio/Pro with M3 ultra. Ultra doesn't have to be 2 X Mx Max. One can wish, given the thermal/power efficiencies expected from M4.I think not, by definition. If they could put it in a 16", they'd make it Ultra-er.
The Pro and Max are the high end portables. They get what they can in the thermal envelope for those, and then double the Max to get the Ultra. (I don't have any expectation that they're going to a single chip Ultra. I think the lack of connections on the M3 Max is just evidence that there's no M3 Ultra coming.).
Yeah, I read your comment as about the M4 Ultra. I don't think they'll ever put an Ultra in a laptop-- they'd just scale the Max to fill that need. Ultra doesn't have to be 2x the Max, but I don't see any reason they'd change that. One bigger chip hurts the economics of it.I was referring to M4 Ultra. I doubt Apple will release Mac Studio/Pro with M3 ultra. Ultra doesn't have to be 2 X Mx Max. One can wish, given the thermal/power efficiencies expected from M4.
Show me the 9 core
Beyond just pure numbers what good are these speeds for iPads?
I have iPad Air 5 with M1 and I have never experience any delay, stutter or slowdown.
I also have a MacBook Pro m1 and everything except the most extreme rendering tasks are super fast. But I can see the use case for some to upgrade M1 MacBooks but absolutely no use for iPads to upgrade from M1
For sure…. But not sure how many people this would apply too.No use for you but that doesn't apply universally. Example where it will help - 4K video processing and rendering.
For sure…. But not sure how many people this would apply too.
Also I imagine the majority that do need this have a MacBook Pro for that workflow
Beyond just pure numbers what good are these speeds for iPads?
I have iPad Air 5 with M1 and I have never experience any delay, stutter or slowdown.
I also have a MacBook Pro m1 and everything except the most extreme rendering tasks are super fast. But I can see the use case for some to upgrade M1 MacBooks but absolutely no use for iPads to upgrade from M1
Blender for iPad!!Beyond just pure numbers what good are these speeds for iPads?
I have iPad Air 5 with M1 and I have never experience any delay, stutter or slowdown.
I also have a MacBook Pro m1 and everything except the most extreme rendering tasks are super fast. But I can see the use case for some to upgrade M1 MacBooks but absolutely no use for iPads to upgrade from M1