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ignatius345

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My two M1 Macs (iMac, Air) are still going great, but it's nice to see I'm going to be experiencing a very tangible bump in speed and responsiveness when I finally want to upgrade.

But honestly it's mostly form factor stuff, not speed, that's keeping me from upgrading (well, that and $$$). The M1s I have are still doing all my work very smoothly. But if Apple came out with a bigger iMac or an ultralight MacBook, that would really move the needle for me.
 
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PsykX

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The Single-Core basically beats any PC in the world.
And the Multi-Core beats a 16-core Intel Core i7-14650HX (gaming laptop CPU).

The M4 Max Multi-Core might come head-to-head with the most powerful PC chip in the world.
So... What kind of power will M4 Ultra reserve to us ?

Pretty freakin remarkable. Now put those in Macs please.
 

ric22

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The author is confused in a number of ways, which have already been discussed in other threads here.

Even if IPC gains are as low as 3% - even if they were 0%, which they're clearly not - this would not be a fail. Driving clocks 9% higher without *losing* IPC is a huge win, and not one that should be taken for granted.

If you look at the various subtests you'll see 15-20% gains are common. Factor out the 9% for clocks and you still have a really serious uplift.
Thanks for the info 👍🏼
 
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Tyler O'Bannon

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As far as CPU goes, single core is MUCH better than M2 Max, and Multi Core is the same. I'm thinking Metal on M2 Max is much higher though?

So basically, outside of Metal, an M4 is an M3 Pro or an M2 Max, though again, I'm thinking those win bigger in Metal.

Still, nice generational improvements. A MBA with M4 is up there with a Mac Studio with M2 Max right now. Not factoring in RAM, but still.
 
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Squirrrrel

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As far as CPU goes, single core is MUCH better than M2 Max, and Multi Core is the same. I'm thinking Metal on M2 Max is much higher though?

So basically, outside of Metal, an M4 is an M3 Pro or an M2 Max, though again, I'm thinking those win bigger in Metal.

Still, nice generational improvements. A MBA with M4 is up there with a Mac Studio with M2 Max right now. Not factoring in RAM, but still.
And these are only the base iPad M4 benchmarks. It will be interesting to see the Pro, Max, and possibly Ultra benchmarks. But benchmarks are useless compared to real world testing. So we'll need to wait for those.


The author is confused in a number of ways, which have already been discussed in other threads here.

Even if IPC gains are as low as 3% - even if they were 0%, which they're clearly not - this would not be a fail. Driving clocks 9% higher without *losing* IPC is a huge win, and not one that should be taken for granted.

If you look at the various subtests you'll see 15-20% gains are common. Factor out the 9% for clocks and you still have a really serious uplift.
People will latch onto the tiniest morsel to shade Apple in some way. It's tiring.
 
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Analog Kid

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“The big single-core gains on Geekbench could be fueled by newly added support for Scalable Matrix Extensions (SME) — some of the subtests, like object detection and image blurring, see massive gains (~200% for object detection). Support would imply that Apple is using an ARMv9 architecture, but this isn't yet confirmed. In either case, SME would give a strong boost to some of the tests that form Geekbench’s CPU suite, bumping up the overall single-core score. However, Geekbench 6 only recently introduced support for SME with version 6.3, and Intel's competing AMX isn't supported. That's largely because matrix workloads are a better fit for other forms of compute, like the NPU or GPU, than the CPU cores. As such, it isn't clear how much real-world benefit SME would deliver if run on the CPU cores, if any, in daily usage.”
Apple controls the hardware and the acceleration libraries built on it. They aren't including generic processing blocks the way Intel would, they're including hardware they see a system benefit for.

If the SME instructions were included, it's because Apple intends to use them. Maybe to boost performance over all, maybe because it's lower power to accelerate these computations in the CPU rather than one of the coprocessors.

It would explain why Apple so far has provided zero performance comparisons to the M3.
I think they aren't comparing to M3 to not denigrate the existing M3 products in the line.
 

Analog Kid

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Can Apple put an ultra in 16 MBP.
I think not, by definition. If they could put it in a 16", they'd make it Ultra-er.

The Pro and Max are the high end portables. They get what they can in the thermal envelope for those, and then double the Max to get the Ultra. (I don't have any expectation that they're going to a single chip Ultra. I think the lack of connections on the M3 Max is just evidence that there's no M3 Ultra coming.).
 

nmart1214

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I’m going to be trading in my 14 inch M1Pro MacBook Pro to get the new 11 inch M4 iPad Pro and a Mac Mini.

My MacBook has served me well but it’s docked most of the time and I’d like to get back into digital art while having a device that’s a little smaller for portability. I’ll keep a desktop to run a few programs I use like EbSynth and Final Cut Pro(why pay a subscription when I already have a license).
 
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TechnoMonk

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I think not, by definition. If they could put it in a 16", they'd make it Ultra-er.

The Pro and Max are the high end portables. They get what they can in the thermal envelope for those, and then double the Max to get the Ultra. (I don't have any expectation that they're going to a single chip Ultra. I think the lack of connections on the M3 Max is just evidence that there's no M3 Ultra coming.).
I was referring to M4 Ultra. I doubt Apple will release Mac Studio/Pro with M3 ultra. Ultra doesn't have to be 2 X Mx Max. One can wish, given the thermal/power efficiencies expected from M4.
 

Analog Kid

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I was referring to M4 Ultra. I doubt Apple will release Mac Studio/Pro with M3 ultra. Ultra doesn't have to be 2 X Mx Max. One can wish, given the thermal/power efficiencies expected from M4.
Yeah, I read your comment as about the M4 Ultra. I don't think they'll ever put an Ultra in a laptop-- they'd just scale the Max to fill that need. Ultra doesn't have to be 2x the Max, but I don't see any reason they'd change that. One bigger chip hurts the economics of it.

It was assumed that Ultras are two Maxes all along until someone got loud on YouTube with a different opinion. I don't see that as enough reason to change the assumption.
 

alexsa

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May 8, 2020
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Beyond just pure numbers what good are these speeds for iPads?
I have iPad Air 5 with M1 and I have never experience any delay, stutter or slowdown.

I also have a MacBook Pro m1 and everything except the most extreme rendering tasks are super fast. But I can see the use case for some to upgrade M1 MacBooks but absolutely no use for iPads to upgrade from M1
 

sparksd

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Beyond just pure numbers what good are these speeds for iPads?
I have iPad Air 5 with M1 and I have never experience any delay, stutter or slowdown.

I also have a MacBook Pro m1 and everything except the most extreme rendering tasks are super fast. But I can see the use case for some to upgrade M1 MacBooks but absolutely no use for iPads to upgrade from M1

No use for you but that doesn't apply universally. Example where it will help - 4K video processing and rendering.
 

alexsa

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No use for you but that doesn't apply universally. Example where it will help - 4K video processing and rendering.
For sure…. But not sure how many people this would apply too.
Also I imagine the majority that do need this have a MacBook Pro for that workflow
 
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aakshey

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Honestly, there was a time yoy jump used to be 100-200%

Since M1 we haven’t yet had even 100% bump total so far

20% yoy on jump is the least you can even think of

M1 and up Its all very good and similar
 
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Macalway

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Beyond just pure numbers what good are these speeds for iPads?
I have iPad Air 5 with M1 and I have never experience any delay, stutter or slowdown.

I also have a MacBook Pro m1 and everything except the most extreme rendering tasks are super fast. But I can see the use case for some to upgrade M1 MacBooks but absolutely no use for iPads to upgrade from M1

No use at all, for now. It's conceivable that this AI thing may creep into several apps, which would then require this type of power. Then it would all add up, as it certainly doesn't now.
 

pdoherty

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Beyond just pure numbers what good are these speeds for iPads?
I have iPad Air 5 with M1 and I have never experience any delay, stutter or slowdown.

I also have a MacBook Pro m1 and everything except the most extreme rendering tasks are super fast. But I can see the use case for some to upgrade M1 MacBooks but absolutely no use for iPads to upgrade from M1
Blender for iPad!!
 
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