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splifingate

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Nov 27, 2013
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Yeah; I've had my doubts ;)

I got the 512GB/shiny-screen Version, and haven't looked-back.

It works well, for me.

I can always get another unit if I find myself regularly huddled in a corner, crying on random nights ;)
 

Digitalguy

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Apr 15, 2019
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An iPad “Air Plus” is another name for Pro. It’s one step up. The iPad 12.9” in 2015 had the best of everything. Nothing else had A9X.
No, an iPad air plus is an iPad air 13... The best of everything means little in a given moment in time... The ipad air 2 had the best of everything a year before that....
The iPad pro 2015 was probably somehere in between a current air 13 and a pro, but much, much closer to an air 13 than to a current pro. The current pro is much higher end than it used to be. Just like the iPhone pro max is much higher end than the most expensive iPhone back in the 6s plus time....
 
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snipr125

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Oct 17, 2015
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It was a no brainer to get the pro iPad for me. I want the best, and am willing to pay for the best. The M2 chip is two years old at this point, which implies that an M2 iPad will be supported shorter.

Sure, it also means buying accessories all over again, but sometimes, that’s part of the fun. The ability to start over on a “clean slate” and well, the thrill of having something new and shiny to play with again.

I get what your saying, but i really wish i could have just used my iPP M4 on my previous gen magic keyboard, and saved £299 on the new one. The new MK is really nice though.
 

sparksd

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Jun 7, 2015
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I get what your saying, but i really wish i could have just used my iPP M4 on my previous gen magic keyboard, and saved £299 on the new one. The new MK is really nice though.

Feel the same way, going from the M1 12.9to the M4 13. I do like the new MKB and was able to give the previous setup to my wife, who loves it.
 

ctjack

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Now try to calc iphone versus ipad and macbooks.

Gone the times of 700 dollar iphones.
 

heretiq

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I think I understood your point. But the price increase for iPad Pro is 60% since 2015.

For the same period, iPhone 6S Plus to iPhone 16 Plus price increased by 20%. I think we can agree iPad Pro is more similar to iPhone than MacBook. So where is the remaining 40% coming from? Let's pretend 20% is the baseline for inflation.

How come iPad Pro has 40% increase over everything else?
For me, the iPad Pro (and iPads in general) are more similar to the MacBook. I use my iPhone 90% as a phone and occasionally as a general purpose computer. In contrast, my iPad Pro allows me to do 60% of what I do on my M1 Max MacBook Pro (the 40% includes production Xcode development/deployment and business process simulation). The M4 and Tandem OLED leapfrogged the MBP and improved its effectiveness as a laptop alternative for my use cases — so the price increases aren’t a surprise.
 
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JPack

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For me, the iPad Pro (and iPads in general) are more similar to the MacBook. I use my iPhone 90% as a phone and occasionally as a general purpose computer. In contrast, my iPad Pro allows me to do 60% of what I do on my M1 Max MacBook Pro (the 40% includes production Xcode development/deployment and business process simulation). The M4 and Tandem OLED leapfrogged the MBP and improved its effectiveness as a laptop alternative for my use cases — so the price increases aren’t a surprise.

I’m referring to the tech investment by Apple into iPad Pro. it shares much more in common with iPhone, whether it’s Face ID, rear camera, LiDAR, OLED, or cellular modem.

The biggest price increase didn’t even come from tandem OLED. The largest increase was back in 2018 when Apple simply began positioning iPad Pro as another type of computer. The product steadily bumped in price from $749, $799, $999, $1,099, to $1,299.

Over the past decade, the iPhone went through a far bigger tech change, yet the price increased by only 20%. Current iPad Pro pricing is a direct result of Apple having no effective competition in tablets which enables them to charge what the market will bear.
 

sparksd

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I’m referring to the tech investment by Apple into iPad Pro. it shares much more in common with iPhone, whether it’s Face ID, rear camera, LiDAR, OLED, or cellular modem.

The biggest price increase didn’t even come from tandem OLED. The largest increase was back in 2018 when Apple simply began positioning iPad Pro as another type of computer. The product steadily bumped in price from $749, $799, $999, $1,099, to $1,299.

Over the past decade, the iPhone went through a far bigger tech change, yet the price increased by only 20%. Current iPad Pro pricing is a direct result of Apple having no effective competition in tablets which enables them to charge what the market will bear.

"charge what the market will bear" - pretty much the same approach taken by all commercial enterprises. Maximize profit.
 

heretiq

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I’m referring to the tech investment by Apple into iPad Pro. it shares much more in common with iPhone, whether it’s Face ID, rear camera, LiDAR, OLED, or cellular modem.

The biggest price increase didn’t even come from tandem OLED. The largest increase was back in 2018 when Apple simply began positioning iPad Pro as another type of computer. The product steadily bumped in price from $749, $799, $999, $1,099, to $1,299.

Over the past decade, the iPhone went through a far bigger tech change, yet the price increased by only 20%. Current iPad Pro pricing is a direct result of Apple having no effective competition in tablets which enables them to charge what the market will bear.
Understood. And yes, you’ve described free market dynamics and modern pricing practices perfectly — though I wouldn’t characterize the competitive scenario as “no effective competition” as there are multiple significant competitors and many options for tablet computers. It’s more that Apple has outclassed the competition and made them irrelevant.
 

Pezimak

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May 1, 2021
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The truth is the iPad Pro sells, and it sells big, it sells more then the iPad Mini does, so they aren’t going to lower costs on it.

However… to give some credence to it the iPad Pro IS the first device with a dual OLED screen layer design, so it is pretty new tech on it.
 

ZZ9pluralZalpha

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I’m sure that when the MacBook Pro gets an OLED display in 2026 its price will increase too. And if Apple made a MacBook with convertible/detachable display and/or a touch screen and/or Face ID, it would be more expensive as well.
“We were going to reprice the MacBook line when we put in OLEDs, but these forum members are making excellent arguments that we ought to do it sooner…” 😜
 

Zdigital2015

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The issue, for me, is that the iPad Pros used to actually run better than intel MacBook Airs and even the base Intel MacBook Pro - along with having touch screens, cameras, etc. So a premium was actually warranted.

Now, they basically all run the same in terms of raw computing power, and the MacBook Pro in particular has improved meaningfully interns of screen, webcam, speakers, etc.
Which device do you need to get the work done that you want to do? Can you do it all on the iPad or can you do it all on the MacBook Pro? Or do you need both? Or is this a case of you want both but favor or be over the other until you compared the prices?

I have both an M1 iPad Pro 12.9” and a 13” M2 MacBook Pro. I bought both models at massive discounts which is the only way I can do it.

I would prefer to use the iPad Pro to do all my computing but that last mile of 10-20% is what keeps me in Mac land. All things being equal, I don’t need an iPad Pro at all.

The reality is that comparing the iPad Pro to the MacBook Pro is a fools errand as the MBP is always going to be a better value money wise and productivity wise and Apple knows this, which is why I think they hamper iPadOS being better than what it is. All the notable pundits have swung back to Mac’s instead of trying to contort their workflows to the was an iPad needs you to do so.

Bottom line, think about your workflows first and buy the right tool. Your wallet will thank you.
 

Soccerrick10

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I get where you’re coming from. The MacBook has improved significantly after moving to Apple Silicon. Much of the difficulty in coming to terms with the value of iPad Pro however, also has to do with how iPad Pro has increased so much in price.

Apple has effectively reversed the position of the iPad Pro and MacBook Air. The keyboard price has nearly doubled.

2015
iPad Pro 12.9” - $799
Smart Keyboard - $169
MacBook Air 13” - $999

2024
iPad Pro 12.9” - $1,299
Magic Keyboard - $299
MacBook Air 13” - $1,099
Based on inflation alone, the 2015 $800 ipad would be $1100 today. I think the improvements in memory, chips, speed, screen, sound, weight reduction and capability alone are worth more than $200 to me.
 
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I have never understood an appeal of any Apple Pro product for most people. I type this on my iPad Air M1 and cannot see what iPad Pro could do to better this experience. ProMotion is only a thing when you compare two screens side-by-side, extra speakers are ok, but they do not exactly turn an iPad into a ghetto-blaster. An extra iPad camera is a joke as it is much more convenient to take pictures/scans with a smartphone. Better still, these Pro features trickle down to a regular gear. Back in 2015 we needed to get a MacBook Pro to get a retina screen, now it is on an entry level MBA. ProMotion will come to all iPhone 17s and OLED will come to the next iPad Air. So, essentially, a Pro product gets you a feature several months or years earlier, yet Apple’s regular devices are still very good as they are, IMO.
 

FlyingDutch

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Aug 21, 2019
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I wouldn’t go that far in comparing an iPad Pro to a MacBook. They are two different things.
But I still agree with you about the iPad Pro being way too expensive.
I owned 3 versions (the 9.7”, the first 11” and the M1 12.9”) and while the initial price was high but acceptable, over the years it increased in unreasonable way.
 
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ZiBart

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I’m referring to the tech investment by Apple into iPad Pro. it shares much more in common with iPhone, whether it’s Face ID, rear camera, LiDAR, OLED, or cellular modem.

The biggest price increase didn’t even come from tandem OLED. The largest increase was back in 2018 when Apple simply began positioning iPad Pro as another type of computer. The product steadily bumped in price from $749, $799, $999, $1,099, to $1,299.

Over the past decade, the iPhone went through a far bigger tech change, yet the price increased by only 20%. Current iPad Pro pricing is a direct result of Apple having no effective competition in tablets which enables them to charge what the market will bear.
If we can agree that there is a baseline and inevitable increase in retail price due to inflation and other economic factors, both in Apple's lineup and across the entire industry, then it's less what Apple thinks the market will bear and more based on supply chain economics. The reason iPhones have increased in price less than iPads is due to scale. Apple owns the majority of the tablet market since day one, with very few competitors gaining any meaningful share since. iPad parts that are not shared with mobile phones, will be way more limited and expensive to source vs a saturated mobile phone parts mfg supply chain. The much higher volume of iPhone units sold vs iPads, also contributes to scale and lower design, support, assembly and parts sourcing costs, both of unique iPhone components and shared ones. In the supply chain world, procurement volume is a major factor in keeping assembly and component pricing down. And an iPhone will always have that advantage over the iPad. And even MacBooks have a slight advantage as well, as they are part of the wider laptop supply chain that includes MacBooks, Windows laptops and Chromebooks. There are also way more competing phone manufacturers out there, to put pressure on Apple retail pricing which may force them to reduce profit margins in response.

This generations' increase was mostly attributed to the switch to OLED with a unique implementation: "The increase in cost is attributed to the OLED panels, which Apple has not used in iPads before. OLED panels are more expensive to source than LCD panels, and Apple's specific requirements for the screens, such as a very thin design using a tandem-stack design, contribute to the higher cost of these OLED panels compared to others on the market."

 
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dbc34

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As an M4 iPad Pro owner, I can't get past the idea I have been had...

The 14" M4 MacBook Pro (great screen, speakers, monitor support, etc), with 16GB of RAM and 512 GB of storage, cots $1,599.

The 13" M4 iPad Pro with 8 GB of Ram and 512GB of storage costs $1,399 - before factoring in the cost of the keyboard case. The keyboard case is $329, so total cost is above the MacBook Pro in most realistic scenarios. It is difficult to argue that the iPad Pro is a better, more technically advanced product than the MacBook Pro.

Then you have options like the iPad Air, which can do 95% (or realistically 100%) of what an iPad Pro can do at much lower prices. As someone who does need to have an access to an iPad for work, the Pro doesn't offer that much over the Air.

I like the iPad Pro but not sure if I will buy another one at full MSRP ever again. More and more, these days, I am finding more value with some of Apple's base model configurations, often in the non "Pro" lines. The exception nowadays is that base M4 MacBook Pro, which is now excellent
1) You had the m4 ipad pro for much longer than the macbook pro has been out. Cost of buying early.
2) ipad air doesn't get as bright or offer nanotexture screen so it can't do 100% of what the ipad pro can do.
3) You bought at MSRP. I bought one 30 days old for $800 without the keyboard with 512 gb storage. Added a used magic keyboard for $200. Thats a $600 savings for 8gb of ram. And it's alot lighter to carry around.

For the work I do, the M4 ipad pro has been fantastic. No need to carry around 2-3x the weight when I have a mac mini (m2 pro) and 27 inch studio display to do the real work.
 

TechnoMonk

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Oct 15, 2022
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iPad Pro M1 is invaluable for my workflow. I could have bought a MBA, but didn’t like the Mac experience and lacking for the work i needed to get done. ipad Pro and and my 64 GB M1 Max 16inch MBP are my most used devices. Never make purchases with FOMO. It’s never ending chain, regret iPad Pro when new MBP is released, regret MBP when new iPad Pro is released, rinse and repeat. Buy and upgrade to get things done, not chasing the shiny new toy.
 

TechnoMonk

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Oct 15, 2022
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Which device do you need to get the work done that you want to do? Can you do it all on the iPad or can you do it all on the MacBook Pro? Or do you need both? Or is this a case of you want both but favor or be over the other until you compared the prices?

I have both an M1 iPad Pro 12.9” and a 13” M2 MacBook Pro. I bought both models at massive discounts which is the only way I can do it.

I would prefer to use the iPad Pro to do all my computing but that last mile of 10-20% is what keeps me in Mac land. All things being equal, I don’t need an iPad Pro at all.

The reality is that comparing the iPad Pro to the MacBook Pro is a fools errand as the MBP is always going to be a better value money wise and productivity wise and Apple knows this, which is why I think they hamper iPadOS being better than what it is. All the notable pundits have swung back to Mac’s instead of trying to contort their workflows to the was an iPad needs you to do so.

Bottom line, think about your workflows first and buy the right tool. Your wallet will thank you.
Productivity is subjective and changes Drastically for individual needs. It’s not rocket science, buy what is important to get work done. My M1 Max lacks productivity of an iPad Pro in different cases, and vice versa. I know guys who run business on iPad Pro making 7/8 figures income, and Mac isn’t an option for them.
 
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throAU

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Feb 13, 2012
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The 13" M4 iPad Pro with 8 GB of Ram and 512GB of storage costs $1,399 - before factoring in the cost of the keyboard case. The keyboard case is $329, so total cost is above the MacBook Pro in most realistic scenarios. It is difficult to argue that the iPad Pro is a better, more technically advanced product than the MacBook Pro.

The iPad Pro has a revolutionary, high cost screen that is better than anything available on any MacBook.
 
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