M5 after Intel disapointments

[shadowbird423]

great reply, I have 2 MacBooks intel with CS4 as I use these for a annual autumn graphic design project since 2007
that executes everything they need perfectly!

I put the MBP12' in a box today since I might accident break that moving things around.
that is how important the 2012 MPB is to my career.
the MBA2010 11" is playing music now.

Make sure you have 2 good backups of that machine. Cool that it’s still running.

 

[MacHeritage]

If you want to run old software, run an older Mac with an older macOS (or Mac OS). Create the island you need/want using used/refurbished older hardware that runs the version you need.

Buying new hardware with a new OS is going to present all kinds of changes, new workflows, software costs, and challenges you will have to solve and get used to.

It is what it is and has always been this way.

 

[Moukee]

I read the title as "I got an M5 Mac after disappointing Intel Macs" and thought that's understandable as Intel Macs (and PCs) have been pretty stale for years (especially when Apple switched to Apple Silicon).

Well, turns out this is about old software not running on new computers instead.

 

[m1maverick]

I want you to do this and show me evidence. Having owned all the various versions of Windows between 3.11 for workgroups, 95, 98 SE, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10, and now 11, I can tell you that this most likely would not work and definitely it would not work well.

To add on to this, I have tried to get many old games going (Oni from Bungie for instance) on my AMD Ryzen 5600x with 32GB RAM and an RTX5060Ti and nothing. It just uses too many frameworks that haven't been updated.

This is why when you see people still needing windows 95 for some custom software, they are still using it with windows 95...

Let me know if you have any questions.

 

[StellarVixen]

There's nothing to argue here backwards compatibility wise. Windows has the best backwards compatibility of all operating systems.

Some see it as a good thing, some see it as bad (carrying too much legacy burden). But that's another discussion.

 

[TSE]

I would sell your laptop and get an iMac.

 

[m1maverick]

There's nothing to argue here backwards compatibility wise. Windows has the best backwards compatibility of all operating systems.

One would have thought yet here we are.

 

[Microtard64]

Photoshop runs great on my M4 Mac mini.

 

[ignatius345]

I have tried to get many old games going (Oni from Bungie for instance)

Such a good game.

 

[ignatius345]

People need to understand this: I work on MacBook Pros—work, not gaming or entertainment.

If by "work" you mean you're getting paid for it, then you'll need to pay for modern versions of the software you want to use. Since you're set on Photoshop (understandable), you have to either use some very old Mac that will run the very old version of Photoshop you own, or you'll have to pay for the current version.

 

[ignatius345]

I disagree with the idea that in creative work things like "it accomplished its task a bit longer than usual" (often actually a lot longer than usual) are appropriate. Overly slow stifles creativity.

Overly slow also eats up billable hours for creatives (or anyone else).

 

[kody137]

None of this makes any sense. I’ve spent a couple of days on this, and literally nothing works. The only things I managed to get working are Office and Affinity—which, to be polite, is a bad joke compared to any version of Photoshop I’ve used since the 1980s. Even the iPad I’m using offers better photo-editing capabilities than Affinity.

People need to understand this: I work on MacBook Pros—work, not gaming or entertainment. Releasing the latest MacBook Pro without proper photo and video editing software support on Tahoe 26.2 is ridiculous. That is why they are dusting any stores, and yes I am using Costco because of super return option (90 days) but not because of green bananas there. Enjoy!

If it's for work, then just buy the version of CC that works with your Mac, it's a tax write-off at that point anyway

 

[Ctrlos]

Exactly.

If the OP ‘owns’ Photoshop then I would suggest they download Affinity for free instead. Not only will it perform infinitely better, but it will also have more features. Only thing missing are the AI tools, unless you pay for a Canva sub.

Also add Pixelmator to the mix.

 

[LinkRS]

I want you to do this and show me evidence. Having owned all the various versions of Windows between 3.11 for workgroups, 95, 98 SE, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10, and now 11, I can tell you that this most likely would not work and definitely it would not work well.

To add on to this, I have tried to get many old games going (Oni from Bungie for instance) on my AMD Ryzen 5600x with 32GB RAM and an RTX5060Ti and nothing. It just uses too many frameworks that haven't been updated.

This is why when you see people still needing windows 95 for some custom software, they are still using it with windows 95...

Microsoft does feature a more robust backwards compatibility model than Apple, but it is not infinite. Specifically regarding Windows 11 compatibility with Windows 95 era software, it all depends on the software and how it is installed. Many older Windows 95 (NT and even XP) programs were installed by a 16-bit installation program. Once the program (or app if you prefer) is installed it is entirely 32-bit, and would (in theory) work fine all the way up to Windows 11. This fails for two primary reasons, Microsoft has not supported running 16-bit software since they moved to a 64-bit OS, and secondly (as @eltoslightfoot pointed out) some underlying library has either 16-bit component or dependence on a non-Microsoft Win32 API.

With regards to Intel-based Mac software running on modern M+ systems, you run into a similar limitation as Apple no longer runs 32-bit (or older) programs, the dependence on no longer supported 3rd party extensions, or requiring some kind of hardware access. Rosetta 2 works miracles, but it sandboxes apps preventing them form doing things Apple deems potentially harmful .

I am not at home at the moment to check, but I thought you could still install an Intel-based version of Photoshop using the Creative Cloud client? Of course you would need a current subscription...

Thanks!

 

[Allen_Wentz]

Photoshop runs great on my M4 Mac mini.

Sure PS runs on any Mac. The limited RAM on most Mac Minis will make it suboptimally swap to SSD a lot for any kind of substantive images workflow.

 

[2128506]

After two Intel MacBooks and 10 years of flawless use—one after the other—I bought an M5 14" from Costco, and what a disappointment. I would honestly rather stay on my old MacBook for another five years.

Nothing—literally nothing—of the software I need is installing or running on it. I need Photoshop, I need its plugins, I need Movavi for video editing, etc.

Should I return it and get a Windows machine? What’s the point of a MacBook Pro if the applications you paid for won’t run on a brand new Mac? Why can’t they maintain backward compatibility?

Yeah, having the same problems running MS-DOS applications on Apple Silicon natively.

Apple, this is unacceptable!

 

[csalm87]

After two Intel MacBooks and 10 years of flawless use—one after the other—I bought an M5 14" from Costco, and what a disappointment. I would honestly rather stay on my old MacBook for another five years.

Nothing—literally nothing—of the software I need is installing or running on it. I need Photoshop, I need its plugins, I need Movavi for video editing, etc.

Should I return it and get a Windows machine? What’s the point of a MacBook Pro if the applications you paid for won’t run on a brand new Mac? Why can’t they maintain backward compatibility?

As many people have said on this forum, the current versions of Photoshop run perfectly fine. The last time you could actually purchase Photoshop and own it outright was in CS6 in 2012... almost 14 years ago. If you are trying to run 14-year old software on a machine that doesn't even have the same chip architecture, of course it's not compatible. Adobe has long dropped support for many macOS versions as well. It may be time to suck it up and purchase the software that is compatible with Apple Silicon hardware and computers from this decade. I think you will find Apple Silicon Macs perform much better than Intel Macs when you have the current software.

 

[srminton]

I don't understand spending over $1000 on a new computer with the latest Apple silicon and expecting to spend $0 on software because you once purchased an application back when Barack Obama was president

 

[Abydos]

I don't understand spending over $1000 on a new computer with the latest Apple silicon and expecting to spend $0 on software because you once purchased an application back when Barack Obama was president

I guess the old copy of wordstar (on 5.25" floppy) purchased during the Reagan administration is officially kaput, I was holding out hope