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Mac mini 2013/2014 refresh.

CoolHotCold said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the mac book pro retina 15" version go from 45W to 47W.

47 TDP is the max the chip will operate at so if and I struggle to believe apple can't shoehorn it in they can drop or undervolt the chip.

In short there are various ways round it but I don't believe the design of the mini is what will keep the iris pro out of a refresh, price will be.
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First, I am not sure whether or not 15'' rMBP supports MAX TDP 45W or 47W or more...possibly it supports enough Watts to host Iris Pro 5200.

Second, APPLE might delay new Mac Mini update because they try to redesign the external case / re-arrange internally the components to host Iris Pro 5200 graphics + quad-core i7 along with TB2 (and USB3.1?). That means we have to wait till Apr-May 2014 to see a fresh Mac Mini. I don't support this approach but I think it is likely to happen...
 
I personally don't think they'll redesign it, they'll just shove a new processor in it and call it a day. That's if they decide to refresh it and not drop it, it hasn't fitted in with their strategy for a while.

If they don't do it within the next two Tuesdays then I'd have to agree with the 2014 launch, I think (and hope) they only reason they didn't update it last Tuesday was because they had the Mac Pro, rMBP, iPad and putting a new mini out would dilute their message on these core profit drivers.

Two weeks I will hold out, but if it's not done by then I'll hit the button and get a new Mac Mini i7 and put in 16GB Ram and a additional SSD and call myself happy.
 
CoolHotCold said:
... it hasn't fitted in with their strategy for a while.
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Is there any evidence of this?

I'd like to see the interviews or sales data.

Apple doesn't rely on iDevices alone, despite iDevices being the majority of sales. They need and want a whole market of computers. The Mini is a low-priced computer which most can afford, and it is nowadays a worthwhile machine. I can't see it going anywhere until they do an OS merge and iPads can become the notebooks and desktops below $1000; they might do that by 2016, but probably much later.

Design of the Mini isn't too different from their notebooks, so they aren't wasting a lot of time or money to design minis on the coattails of higher-end Mac products.
 
Lesser Evets said:
Is there any evidence of this?
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Goes back to when Steve jobs came in and cut Apples lines of development.

It goes for every category there is a Pro version and a consumer version.

Desktops is iMac for consumers, Mac Pro for Professionals
Laptops is MacBook Air for consumers (replacing the MacBook), MacBook Pro for Professionals
The phones and ipads are a little different and doesn't fit but you can argue the latest generation is for professionals and previous generation they keep selling is for consumers.

http://www.zdnet.com/the-new-mac-pr...herence-to-steve-jobs-golden-grid-7000022375/

The mac mini is a wildcard a lot like the apple TV.
 
Ok…

I have a serious question!

Why do so many people who talk about Apple's strategy and the role of the Mini in that forget the simple fact that there is no more xserve and the mini is it's more palatable small-business (no need for a $$$$$$ IT guy everyone can do it) solution…..? :rolleyes:
 
mvmanolov said:
Ok…

I have a serious question!

Why do so many people who talk about Apple's strategy and the role of the Mini in that forget the simple fact that there is no more xserve and the mini is it's more palatable small-business (no need for a $$$$$$ IT guy everyone can do it) solution…..? :rolleyes:
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They sell a ton of mac minis. What they do not sell is a quad core + gpu to game with. That has been Apple's choice don't make the headless iMac (max mini, mini mac pro) to compete with gaming pc's.

Makes a lot of sense to not build one. You end up like me owning both a pc and a mac.
 
CoolHotCold said:
http://www.zdnet.com/the-new-mac-pr...herence-to-steve-jobs-golden-grid-7000022375/

The mac mini is a wildcard a lot like the apple TV.
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It's an article by a tech reporter looking for dough. And he interviews someone from a tech blog/site… about what Jobs did 15 years ago. That's almost like two housewives shouting over the hung laundry while reading a history book.

I still don't see any palpable evidence or articles or interviews coming from within Apple to corroborate your assertion. Market tenacity proves you wrong, so far: the Mini came along and has stayed. There's no sign or even a peep within Apple about ditching the product.

Remember everyone saying the MacPro was dead?
 
Lesser Evets said:
It's an article by a tech reporter looking for dough. And he interviews someone from a tech blog/site… about what Jobs did 15 years ago. That's almost like two housewives shouting over the hung laundry while reading a history book.

I still don't see any palpable evidence or articles or interviews coming from within Apple to corroborate your assertion. Market tenacity proves you wrong, so far: the Mini came along and has stayed. There's no sign or even a peep within Apple about ditching the product.

Remember everyone saying the MacPro was dead?
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you are most likely correct. right now there is no need to drop the mini and the 2011, 2012 models can do most everything but game well. that is the big reason for not making a new model.
 
philipma1957 said:
you are most likely correct. right now there is no need to drop the mini and the 2011, 2012 models can do most everything but game well. that is the big reason for not making a new model.
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So are you saying a Broadwell mini is more likely?
 
philipma1957 said:
you are most likely correct. right now there is no need to drop the mini and the 2011, 2012 models can do most everything but game well. that is the big reason for not making a new model.
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The "400-day" refresh cycle is coming to an end soon. I bet they just throw in the newest processor to kick up performance a little more.

If the MacMini slips into April without a refresh, they are possibly redesigning the entire package (which they should next year to further reduce the size and simplify the insides) around the Haswell which comes out in late 2014. When Apple products slip far out of refresh, they usually are getting a redesign.

Mini is prime for a design refresh. It still has FIREWIRE. It's also odd that there are 4 USB ports on such a device. There is a lot of bulk for such a low-end device. I'd expect it to shrink drastically in the next couple years.
 
Lesser Evets said:
The "400-day" refresh cycle is coming to an end soon. I bet they just throw in the newest processor to kick up performance a little more.

If the MacMini slips into April without a refresh, they are possibly redesigning the entire package (which they should next year to further reduce the size and simplify the insides) around the Haswell which comes out in late 2014. When Apple products slip far out of refresh, they usually are getting a redesign.

Mini is prime for a design refresh. It still has FIREWIRE. It's also odd that there are 4 USB ports on such a device. There is a lot of bulk for such a low-end device. I'd expect it to shrink drastically in the next couple years.
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I agree...very good approach!
 
ioannis2005gr said:
I would suggest till Nov. 2013 (not later).

Between Dec. 2013 - Mar. 2014, nothing is going to happen!

In this case, I may buy a new 21.5'' iMac.
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I dont necessarily disagree but December is not totally out of question. though it will be cutting it quite close to holiday season :(
 
Ice Dragon said:
So are you saying a Broadwell mini is more likely?
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They may do a very basic step up. then a fast turnaround to haswell.

Frankly there is not much to go up against a current mini in the same size.

Lesser Evets said:
The "400-day" refresh cycle is coming to an end soon. I bet they just throw in the newest processor to kick up performance a little more.

If the MacMini slips into April without a refresh, they are possibly redesigning the entire package (which they should next year to further reduce the size and simplify the insides) around the Haswell which comes out in late 2014. When Apple products slip far out of refresh, they usually are getting a redesign.

Mini is prime for a design refresh. It still has FIREWIRE. It's also odd that there are 4 USB ports on such a device. There is a lot of bulk for such a low-end device. I'd expect it to shrink drastically in the next couple years.
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They could drop firewire go to 2 usb ports and 3 tb ports with a tb to hdmi adapter included. also do 2x m sata or a pcie ssd.

make it smaller but wait for the haswell.


when you look at what is a small pc the answer is not much with a minis specs. Plus these 2012 minis still have a ton of power.

Now that Apple made the mac pro too costly I am interested in the move they do with minis.
 
daneoni said:
Is there any chance of Iris or Iris Pro?
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Iris 5100? very likely...
Iris Pro 5200? very difficult with the existing external case.

(maybe, if APPLE redesign / re-arrange the existing Mac Mini....it will become a good candidate....but it needs time.....)
 
ioannis2005gr said:
Iris 5100? very likely...
Iris Pro 5200? very difficult with the existing external case.

(maybe, if APPLE redesign / re-arrange the existing Mac Mini....it will become a good candidate....but it needs time.....)
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I see. Iris or Iris Pro in the mini would be a very attractive proposition. HD5000...not so much.
 
daneoni said:
I see. Iris or Iris Pro in the mini would be a very attractive proposition. HD5000...not so much.
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Have to make the gap between the iMac and Mac Pro large enough. So I wouldn't put it past them. But I do expect a 5100 in the next rev, to match the 13" rMBP.
 
to buy or not to buy

I'm seriously considering to buy. I can buy a new mac mini i7 2.3 for 750 euro (apple store: 850). 256 gb samsung ssd 156 euro (pro: 202 euro). We really don't know if apple will do a refresh. And what if the refresh isn't upgradable? And how much faster would the new be? Would it cost more?

Btw can a mini bought in France be installed as a dutch one?
 
So new iPads on sale on the 1st of November.

Guess What this means? Store will be down :D


Be nice if they just "slipped" in the refresh then :p


Anyway going to order my Mac Mini just now for delivery Friday, if they update it within 2 weeks I'll exchange it if not no biggie I'll wait for Broadwell.
 
From what I've read, the Haswell and Iris hardware bring major power savings when underclocked and high performance gain when used at normal specs. The power savings are of minor importance in the Mini but the hardware cannot be ran at the same temperatures as the iMac so this means a Haswell Iris Mini will not be significantly better right?

I'm thinking on buying one for Xmas and I want to be sure I'll not regret the Ivy Mini over the Haswell iMac
 
CoolHotCold said:
So new iPads on sale on the 1st of November.

Guess What this means? Store will be down :D


Be nice if they just "slipped" in the refresh then :p


Anyway going to order my Mac Mini just now for delivery Friday, if they update it within 2 weeks I'll exchange it if not no biggie I'll wait for Broadwell.
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From your mouth into god's (tim) ears……:D
 
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