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Stop spreading false info please.

Nothing false about this, just need to clarify.

From Apricorn's site:

"The Velocity Solo x2 will function in all Mac Pro models, but will only boot in EFI64 machines which are the last 3 models known as Mac Pro 3,1 4,1 and 5,1 Your Mac model can be found by doing an "About This Mac", and then "More Info". The first two models known as Mac Pro1,1 and 2,1 are EFI32 so won't boot from the Velocity Solo x2, but will function as high performance storage."

From OWC on their Accelsior S PCI card:

"2006-2007 Mac Pro. These models utilize PCIe 1.0 slot which cannot be configured (even with the Expansion Utility in OS X) to address Accelsior S as anything but as a first generation one-lane card. As a result, Accelsior S performance will be limited to 190-200MB/s data rates. If maximum data rate speedis desired, we recommend the installation of a 2.5" OWC Mercury SSD in an open Mac Pro drive bay."

There are PCI cards that will allow booting in a MP 1,1 and 2,1, however, their inability to work as anything but a one lane card will limit the performance and negate much of the advantages that an SSD would otherwise offer.

Sorry for any confusion.

MacDann
 
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There are PCI cards that will allow booting in a MP 1,1 and 2,1, however, their inability to work as anything but a one lane card will limit the performance and negate much of the advantages that an SSD would otherwise offer.

Still false, search further.
 
Well... I don't pretend to know half of what you guys said... Raid cards and SAS drives (Shakes head) i have no idea. But was interested to know the CPUs can go as high as the 60s in degrees celsius. With my fans set to 1250 they sit at a comfortable 40 degrees celsius, The applications I use are no great load so I don't think I'll ever really task them, but thanks for all the info. One day i might even find out what an SAS thingy is. Trouble is... then I'll probably want one. laughs.

Bit disappointed in the graphics card. My old Nvidia 1GB in my old Windows machine had a better frame rate, but I'm guessing that a Mac pro was not really intended as a gaming machine. Time and again i am being told it's not a PC, it's a Server / Workstation. But I like it, and I love tinkering with it. It's big and heavy and silver and I love it.
 
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Nothing false about this, just need to clarify.

From Apricorn's site:

"The Velocity Solo x2 will function in all Mac Pro models, but will only boot in EFI64 machines which are the last 3 models known as Mac Pro 3,1 4,1 and 5,1 Your Mac model can be found by doing an "About This Mac", and then "More Info". The first two models known as Mac Pro1,1 and 2,1 are EFI32 so won't boot from the Velocity Solo x2, but will function as high performance storage."

From OWC on their Accelsior S PCI card:

"2006-2007 Mac Pro. These models utilize PCIe 1.0 slot which cannot be configured (even with the Expansion Utility in OS X) to address Accelsior S as anything but as a first generation one-lane card. As a result, Accelsior S performance will be limited to 190-200MB/s data rates. If maximum data rate speedis desired, we recommend the installation of a 2.5" OWC Mercury SSD in an open Mac Pro drive bay."

There are PCI cards that will allow booting in a MP 1,1 and 2,1, however, their inability to work as anything but a one lane card will limit the performance and negate much of the advantages that an SSD would otherwise offer.

Sorry for any confusion.

MacDann

Check out velocity solo X1 like I said and not X2...

The reason Velocity Solo X2 can't boot on the Mac Pro 1.1-3.1's isn't because of some inherent limitation of the Mac Pro but rather of the X2:s. Apricorn chose not to support EFI32 on the X2's as the X2 sees no performance benefit over the X1 on the Mac Pro 1.1-3.1 seeing as those only have a PCIE 1.0 bus, PCIE 1.0 supports 250MB/s lane, using 10B8B encoding which gives it a real speed of 200MB/s per Lane, 2 lanes as the Velocity Solo-line uses gives it 400MB/s as peak speed. The Solo X1 supports 400MB/s and the X2 550MB/s. There's simply no point in supporting the X2 on the older Mac Pros as they are limited by the PCIE bus to the same speed as the X1 already gives.

As I said, there's no limitation in the Mac Pro 1.1-3.1s, the limitation is in the PCIE cards....Sure the 3.1 has 2 2.0 ports (the x16 ports are 2.0 while the x4 are 1.0), but who puts a two-lane card in a 16-lane port... And are they seriously to put money into developing something that only really one of the ports of the 3.1 can benefit from? Doubtful I'd see that as a sound businessplan...
 
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Bit disappointed in the graphics card. My old Nvidia 1GB in my old Windows machine had a better frame rate, but I'm guessing that a Mac pro was not really intended as a gaming machine.

Windows is using DirectX and Mac uses OpenGL. There are performance differences between the two. DX is faster usually. Another thing is processor single threaded performance. What was the CPU in Windoze machine? Even a fast graphics card will have to "wait" for slow CPU. These 51xx and 53xx processors aren't particularly fast in single thread. Last thing could be the game itself. Some games are written for Mac environment from the scratch, some are ported. The latter usually perform worse than their Win versions.
 
The machine was a custom built gaming machine. Very fast, and not built by me but by a shop. Graphics was a Nvidia GT something or other from the 7*** family. I have no idea about the processors/s. It was built only a year ago and was state of the art then.

It worked great with Windows 8, then I upgraded to the Windows 10. That was ok for a few days then overtime I turned it on it was just update after update. It was to the point where I'd turn the machine on and sometimes could not touch it for a few hours at a time. In the end got so frustrated at Microsoft I kinda bought the Mac just to get back at them. Infantile I know, but I was so angry at Microsoft. Now my dad has it and I'm quite happy with the Mac. It may not be as fast with graphics, but it only upgrades when i say, and it always turns on.

The game I'm into is Second Life. Not too hard on graphics and I have a viewer specifically for a Mac. The only thing they asked for is that my operating system be Lion or higher. I'm on El-Capitan.
 
Bit disappointed in the graphics card. My old Nvidia 1GB in my old Windows machine had a better frame rate, but I'm guessing that a Mac pro was not really intended as a gaming machine. Time and again i am being told it's not a PC, it's a Server / Workstation. But I like it, and I love tinkering with it. It's big and heavy and silver and I love it.


Better frame rates in what? In games on Windows? Also remember that the 1.1 only has a PCIE 1.1 bus and ports, that means the 7950 could be bottlenecked by the PCIE-port (but not much seeing as it really isn't saturating even a PCIE2.0 x8 port).

What Nvidia card are you comparing to?

Also remember that a Geekbench-score of 11000 is comparable to a 4-5 year old Core I7 2600, which was basically state of the art then, but really isn't anymore. You've got that performance spread over 8 cores instead of 4, which would make a single core about half the speed of a single core from the i7 2600. This would affect game performance as many games are very bad at utilizing multiple cores. A single-threaded application would have about the same CPU-performance from the single core it utilizes as if it were running on even relatively good specified PC from 2007.

The Mac Pro 1.1 have quite bad RAM-bandwidth compared to modern systems, even a modest, cheap system will have better RAM bandwidth than the Mac Pro 1.1 has.

All in all, slow single core performance, PCIE1.1 rather than newer faster PCIE:s and really quite bad RAM-bandwidth (by todays standards) you have a system that isn't really made for gaming.
For $1600 you should have purchased a Mac Pro 4.1 or 5.1, it would blow the 1.1 out of the water.

I also want to add that you could have shut off the automatic updates on Windows 10 in about 15 seconds (2 minutes with some googling to see how to do it). It's easy to set it up so that Windows only updates when you tell it to do it (just as you have with your Mac)

All in all, what I want to say is that the Mac Pro 1.1 is ancient in computer terms and to expect the same performance (or even close to the same performance) as a 1 year old gaming rig is like hoping your 1974 Ferrari Dino will be as fast or comfortable as a modern day Audi A4.
 
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Even though I understood non of what you said.... (giggles) You or so right. But we live and learn, and I have learned a great deal about Macs from this experience (and about myself). I may very well one day buy that Mac 4,1 or 5,1, but for now I like this old machine as we share a lot in common. (smiles).
 
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Even though I understood non of what you said.... (giggles) You or so right. But we live and learn, and I have learned a great deal about Macs from this experience (and about myself). I may very well one day buy that Mac 4,1 or 5,1, but for now I like this old machine as we share a lot in common. (smiles).

Cores and Speeds in some easy explanation:
Look at the cores as trucks that transports something, and let's use the analogy that calculations/performance is measured in how much gravel each truck can transport in an hour.

You've got 8 trucks that can transport 10 tonnes of gravel in an hours, each truck transports 1.25 tonnes per hour
A i7 2600 instead is like having 4 trucks that still can transport 10 tonnes per hour, but 2.5 tonnes per truck

Some applications benefit more from the performance of a single core rather than all cores combined (like if a single customer had 5 tonnes to transport but refused to pay/use more than 1 truck, it would take longer on the 8-truck system than on the 4-truck system due to each truck having twice the capacity on the 4-truck system).
on the 8-truck system the customer would have to wait for 4 hours (5/1.25) to get the job done, while on the 4-truck system it would only take 2 hours (5/2.5). Some applications use multiple cores though, and those benefit from a system with many cores as if a customer would pay for all available trucks the job would get done in 30 minutes no matter what system they used.


PCIE:
PCIE (the expansion slots which you put your graphics card into) is built in lanes.
A PCIE1.1 bus can transport 200MB/s over each lane, a PCIE2.0 bus 400MB/s per each lane and a PCIE3.0 bus 800MB/s per each lane, the maximum amounts of lanes is 16 on any of them (but not all slots in the computer will be able to use 16 lanes at the same time)

the system needs to ship some stuff to the graphics card so that the graphics card can process the data and show it on the screen. Let's use the truck analogy again (But this time it's not that a truck is a core, but rather a bunch of data)
If we instead say that each lane represents a lane on a road, and each lane can take 1 truck per second on PCIE1.1, 2 per second on PCIE2.0 and 4 per second on PCIE 3.0, shipping 16 trucks on PCIE1.0 would take up all the available lanes on a x16 bus but only half of the lanes on PCIE2.0. You're graphics card might need 24 trucks of data to move between the cpu and graphics card every second, and if you have PCIE1.0 that is 8 trucks too many, and you will take a hit on performance.


RAM-bandwidth:
RAM provides the CPU with data to process, see it as the bulldozers digging up the gravel for the trucks in the first example to process/transport. So the faster your ram can communicate with your CPU, the faster the trucks in the CPU-example are loaded with gravel and can be shipped to the customer.

Not really 100% accurate, but close enough for you to get an idea why each of these affect your performance. The faster the RAM can ship data to the CPUs to be processed, the faster the system, the faster the system can move data to the GPU the faster the graphic card can start processing the data and the graphics performance will be better (as long as the GPU on the graphics card can keep up).
 
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Even though I understood non of what you said.... (giggles) You or so right. But we live and learn, and I have learned a great deal about Macs from this experience (and about myself). I may very well one day buy that Mac 4,1 or 5,1, but for now I like this old machine as we share a lot in common. (smiles).

Wow! Awesome job figuring stuff out, asking for help, **and** keeping your sense of humor (or "humour", maybe that's what some of the other posters are lacking?).

Unsolicited marriage proposal is on its way! LOL!
 
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Some really good explanations and info here. Really appreciate it. I accepted that buying my MP 1,1 would be a step backwards in some respects, but the 3 steps forward were what I was focussed on, and I'm getting that. Boot time with my SSD is roughly 25 seconds. More hard drives that I can poke a silly thing at. Gruntier graphics card (even if it's just slightly better, I'm still winning). Wished I had joined the community years ago, particularly when I had problems with my QuickSilver. But I'm a happy boy now, and feel I've extended my knowledge and skill by upgrading my MP, just like Kipsley :)
 
What JedNZ said.

Marriage proposal? (Eyes fly wide). Hmmm. I dunno. We'd just end up staying home and uploading and downloading all night, and see... you are probably USB 3.1 and I'm not. It would never work, Blesscheese.
 
I find these ports actually useful for my BR-recorder attached to one of the ports and an eSATA connector routed to the rear panel hooked up to the other. That's the cheapest, forever supported, bootable eSATA solution you might imagine.
 
One thing to note for the benefit of anyone who might consider buying one of these - I noticed a couple of complaints about it in the reviews. Seems that SATA is limited to a meter in length, and people who used this setup and a meter long connecting cable ran into problems due to the total length exceeding a meter.

Not a problem with the device, just a heads up about how you use it...
 
If I may..... and still on the subject of upgrading an old 2006 model, is there any way of speeding up how a Lexar works? My Lexar is that 16GB thingy that I plug into a USB port. I upload movies to it but it takes ages. To upload 4.35GB, Mac is telling me it takes up to 12 minutes. Is that normal?
 
Lexar is a brand, this device is called a pendrive AKA usb-stick.
No, there is not. In most cases it's the pendrive that creates the bottleneck by using slow flash memory. On an high-end pendrive this transfer should take about 2 minutes.
 
No worries and thank you. Looks as if I'm heading back to Ebay for a new... immmm (Reads your thread again).... a pendrive. I'm learning so much here. :)
 
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No worries and thank you. Looks as if I'm heading back to Ebay for a new... immmm (Reads your thread again).... a pendrive. I'm learning so much here. :)

Watch out for super deals on pen drives on eBay, lots of crappy counterfeits and Chinese crap around there. And be extra suspicious about ones claiming to be much more than 64GB for under say aud 40.
 
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