Works well then. I've still got SL on a separate SSD. I boot into that to make mods and clones.
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Works well then. I've still got SL on a separate SSD. I boot into that to make mods and clones.
It's usually almost entirely dependent on network speed and/or connection type - a detail you neglected to mention
My 2,1 is on my local 1gig network, to which I'm connecting via 5ghz Airport on my MBA - There's no lag worth mentioning.
Regarding the ARD problems: I've downgraded the admin software to 3.6.1 which has helped, but the performance is still bad.
Connection is via wired gigabit, interestingly a ping test gives an average round trip of .408. Booting the machine into SnowLeopard with everything else the same gives me .325.
Interestingly on another switch, again hardwired, a MacBookPro with Mavericks averages .449 while a MacMini on SnowLeopard is .216.
Is the problem Mavericks itself?
In my experience across the Macs and Linux machines I here, Mavericks has brought about a significant, though admittedly subjective, performance boost - the MP is a server for Macs running Mavericks, and 10.7.5 and machines running Linux Mint 15.
What is more than abundant is that you have a demonstrable performance hit between SL and Mavericks that warrants further investigation.
Thinking on, soon after upgrading to Mavericks I noticed a performance degradation across one of my network hubs - I swapped it out for one of notionally identical specs, and all was well again.
I suggest you enquire in, or checkout the Mavericks forum elsewhere on MR, about network performance issues. All I can say is, I have been VERY pleased with my upgrade to Mavericks on my MP 1,1 -> 2,1, which is very much not meant to belittle any issues you are experiencing.
As a very off the wall suggestion, it has been noted elsewhere on this thread that these machines are now of some age, and if you have not already, replace the PRAM(CMOS) battery, do so, because doing so does seem to tame all manner of random 'ghosts in the machine'.
I suspect the culprit is the graphics card not having a properly working driver. I had similar problems with an XServe which had a dying ATI. I just pulled the card and all was good... after thinking about it: a year ago or so I had also the same with an original Mac Pro (server).
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Good to know. I've got 5 Mavericks computers, it would be a waste of bandwidth to not download the standalone installer, this tip saves me some messing around with a FW cable
I've pulled the card, moved the computer to a connect to a LAN port on the router, still a similar difference. Mavericks at .397, SnowLeopard at .238. Also checked other forums here and haven't seen any real good ideas.
Without the video card ARD in again a bit better, but moving the pointer at moderate speed leaves the remote pointer about an inch behind.
I'm open to any suggestions.
I had the same issue when using an unsupported card video card. My Nvidia 7300 GT was horribly slow with ARD. When I put in my ATI 4870 all was smooth again. My guess is the X1900 is not fully supported under Mavericks. I don't know that for a fact though.
That's possible because the X1900XT was optional on the 1,1 and 2,1 Mac Pros. Those machines aren't officially supported with Mavericks. The 3,1 Mac Pro didn't offer that card as an option, and it was a pretty crapy card even in it's day. Apple issued this advisory back in 2010:
Lou
Any recommendations for a replacement video card? Probably looking for the least expensive that would yield decent performance under ARD, the new ATI's seem a bit overkill.
I like my Apple ATI HD-4870. Works all the way back to Tiger and reasonably fast with a Cinema display.
USB 3 and more eSATA
I bought two PCIe cards from Amazon:
- Inateck Superspeed 4 Ports PCI-E to USB 3.0
- Newer Tech MaxPower eSATA 6G Pro PCIe Controller Card
I had to route extra power from the DVD bay to support the USB 3 power, which required a custom extra length cable from the second port. An additional splitter left me an additional SATA power connection in the PCIe bay. I had also previously wired eSATA cables to the extra internal connectors on the main board - one of the two extra eSATA ports is used for a Blue Ray in the second bay, now the second can be used for another internal SSD.
Mavericks and Mountain Lion support these cards natively, for Lion I installed the hacked USB driver from kextBeast.
These are nice additions and work like a charm!
I bought two PCIe cards from Amazon:
- Inateck Superspeed 4 Ports PCI-E to USB 3.0
- Newer Tech MaxPower eSATA 6G Pro PCIe Controller Card
I had to route extra power from the DVD bay to support the USB 3 power, which required a custom extra length cable from the second port. An additional splitter left me an additional SATA power connection in the PCIe bay. I had also previously wired eSATA cables to the extra internal connectors on the main board - one of the two extra eSATA ports is used for a Blue Ray in the second bay, now the second can be used for another internal SSD.
Mavericks and Mountain Lion support these cards natively, for Lion I installed the hacked USB driver from kextBeast.
These are nice additions and work like a charm!
No matter what I do to create this stupid USB stick, I can't get a damn visual on my computer when I boot up. It yawns and then just sits there forever with a black screen.
I've followed two different step by step faq's on creating the thing, including the one that OEM created which uses terminal to walk you through the process automatically.
Can anyone offer a suggestion as to why I'm the only one who can't get the installer to initiate?
Do i have to do anything to the destination drive?
Is there any way that I can "test" my USB stick to make sure that it's a functional working installer?
This is so frustrating... I want this so badly and I've tried so hard. My 1,1 is a beast, and I would love to add it to my mavericks network for video rendering.
Please help meeeeeee!
I've followed two different step by step faq's on creating the thing, including the one that OEM created which uses terminal to walk you through the process automatically.
Can anyone offer a suggestion as to why I'm the only one who can't get the installer to initiate?
Do i have to do anything to the destination drive?
Is there any way that I can "test" my USB stick to make sure that it's a functional working installer?
This is so frustrating... I want this so badly and I've tried so hard. My 1,1 is a beast, and I would love to add it to my mavericks network for video rendering.
Please help meeeeeee!
My bootloader doesn't work... at all. It doesn't matter if I have a fully funcitonal drive in there or not, when I hold down the option key on startup, all I am greeted with is a black screen.
I replaced the small disk like battery above the video card a couple weeks ago, didn't help. Is there another battery somewhere?
Is there any way to run this install without using the default mac bootloader?
This really sucks.
I replaced the small disk like battery above the video card a couple weeks ago, didn't help. Is there another battery somewhere?
Is there any way to run this install without using the default mac bootloader?
This really sucks.
Your bootloader must be working because without it your Mac wouldn't work at all.
What video card are you running?
Hey Robert,
Thanks for the reply! I'm running an ATI Radeon HD 5770... I don't know if it's "flashed or not" (I've seen you guys mention that here) but I would imagine that it is.
I have an X1900 that I could roll back to if you think that might make a difference in the install.
Thanks for the reply! I'm running an ATI Radeon HD 5770... I don't know if it's "flashed or not" (I've seen you guys mention that here) but I would imagine that it is.
I have an X1900 that I could roll back to if you think that might make a difference in the install.
I use the exact same USB 3.0 card - with the extra power cable.
It's the least flakey USB 3.0 installation I've ever used - it 'just works'
I look forward to reading up in the USB 3.0 thread about the non-powered Inateck card - Not in a hoping for a trainwreck way, but in hoping it works as well as my powered installation, because it would get rid of a load of faffing about getting power cables from one side of the machine to the other. Personally I don't mind taking my MP apart, and it holds very few fears for me, however others can be much more nervous at the prospect of doing so - Heck! I've changed every drive, and swapped processors twice! Though there was the day I sliced the Optical drive bay's data cable - which was nice
If the X1900 is a genuine Apple card, it would be worth trying. The 1900 probably does not have hardware acceleration to any meaningful degree in Mavericks, but that's not at all important, you're just going to be using it for the install, and pop the 5770 back in when you're done.
I just used the SFOTT system this evening on a new 2tb drive I bought earlier on - I had to put back my Apple 2600xt card just to see what I was doing during the install.
ps Genuine Apple cards have a boot screen showing a grey/gray Apple with a small circular rotating ticker beneath it during the early part of the boot process.
With a supported card, your screen if connected to the VGA or 1st DVI port should illuminate almost immediately after the chime - in my experience, I hasten to add!
Hey Rob,
You were absolutely right... I popped the X1900 in there and I was immediately able to access the bootloader.
I clicked on the Mac OSX Base system and....... nothing...... grey.
Fail.... but after a small degree of success, so I at least have a positive outlook no the future.
I created this USB using SFOTT as well... did you do it step by step or "autorun"?
I made all of what I considered to be the appropriate selections... I'm not sure where I went wrong.
I noticed that on my SFOTT settings page, I'm still set to 32 bit and it suggests that I might need a "patch". I'll post a pic.
Do you have any other suggestions as to what might have gone wrong here?
I pulled my maverics install from one that I downloaded to a 2009 mac with mavericks.
Could I be getting the actual installer from the wrong spot?
Thanks for your help so far!
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My picture didn't post... here it is:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ysfax513kuylihs/Screenshot 2014-02-11 19.28.20.png
You were absolutely right... I popped the X1900 in there and I was immediately able to access the bootloader.
I clicked on the Mac OSX Base system and....... nothing...... grey.
Fail.... but after a small degree of success, so I at least have a positive outlook no the future.
I created this USB using SFOTT as well... did you do it step by step or "autorun"?
I made all of what I considered to be the appropriate selections... I'm not sure where I went wrong.
I noticed that on my SFOTT settings page, I'm still set to 32 bit and it suggests that I might need a "patch". I'll post a pic.
Do you have any other suggestions as to what might have gone wrong here?
I pulled my maverics install from one that I downloaded to a 2009 mac with mavericks.
Could I be getting the actual installer from the wrong spot?
Thanks for your help so far!
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My picture didn't post... here it is:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ysfax513kuylihs/Screenshot 2014-02-11 19.28.20.png
One additional thing... in the SFOTT system, I didn't select a target system for recovery or a target system for "re-patch".
What should my selections be for those? I don't even know what the hell re-patch is...
What should my selections be for those? I don't even know what the hell re-patch is...
Woah! Woah! Too many questions!
I used autorun.
Before you start anything at all, the USB stick needs to be erased in Disk Utility to Mac OS Extended (Journaled) - and name it something simple and short with no spaces.
Checking out your pic, I'd go into settings and select a drive for the recovery partition - the same one as you are going to install Mavericks on - it may not be necessary, but it can't hurt.
After that, back to 'main menu' and option 4 'Create/patch SFOTT Key'
and I think it's autorun after that?
What about the "re-patch"? I belive it's prompting me for the same location as the installation key, so I'm assuming that they're talking about the USB stick.
As I watched 'autorun' do it's thing I saw it patching the USB stick - so no need for any re-patch.
Oh! I remember later attempting to use re-patch - it's not actually implemented yet! Just a note saying something like 'Coming soon!'
When you selected OSX base system, what happened for you? In my case, it disappears and I'm left with a blank screen.... forever.
I'm going on like hour #7 of straight failure here. I'm not sure how much more I can take.
---Trav
I'm going on like hour #7 of straight failure here. I'm not sure how much more I can take.
---Trav