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It still doesn't really give us any better of an estimate for the release dates since he says:

"It's in production this year, and will ship to customers this year. The launch event is actually next year."

Launch probably just means when consumers can buy the chips. Apple shipped the 8-core Mac Pro several months before the 'launch' of the chip.
 
Launch probably just means when consumers can buy the chips. Apple shipped the 8-core Mac Pro several months before the 'launch' of the chip.

Well, that was 2008. In 2010 the situation was very different. Intel launched the Westmere-EP 6 core Xeons on Mar 16 2000. It wasn't until July 27 until Apple updated the Mac Pro with these chips.
 
It still doesn't really give us any better of an estimate for the release dates since he says:

"It's in production this year, and will ship to customers this year. The launch event is actually next year."

Launch probably just means when consumers can buy the chips. Apple shipped the 8-core Mac Pro several months before the 'launch' of the chip.

In the other, article there ( in the HPC section ) :

" ... confirmed last week that Intel is shipping Xeon E5 silicon right now for revenue to selected hyperscale database and supercomputing customers under non-disclosure agreements. ... "
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/19/intel_xeon_e5_follow_up/


Kind of weird will ship them for revenue but not do anything till January as far a broad product launch. With lower volumes Apple could slide out the door early along with the HPC crowd.

"...."Don't confuse volume shipments under non-disclosure going into the large cloud and HPC customers with when the best time to do a marketing launch is," Skaugen said. ..."

This sounds like a non-technical 'problem'. Either waiting for marketing or quarterly reporting timing to do the launch much more so than any manufacturing delay. Mac Pro can slide just because it is easier to do a new product announcement after the Holiday season, Intel has pocketed more profit from the 5600 series, and fewer hoards roaming the streets hyping up "double dip recession" talk.


P.S. the other interesting thing was the talk of MIC co-processors.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/15/intel_rattner_mic_coprocessor/

Someone asked how Apple could replace Mac Pro with an iMac. In next 1-2 years , an 8 core iMac with one of these (if not tooo hot) would pose a formidable challenge to many Mac Pros currently deployed.

However, bandwidth is an issue of getting use out of them over the intermediate term. If can't get the data to/from the MIC card quickly it doesn't matter how much faster it is. I think to some extent the iMac would replace the Mac Pro in workgroups and there were more "cluster in a single box" (mac pro) deployed that computers with screens (iMac ) access. So replace on your desk? .... yes. That' is probably going up.
 
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I'm sorry but Apple donìt want update Mac Pro

It's four months I'm waiting to buy the new Mac Pro! There is also a the Thunderbolt Display but it is unknown anything about Mac Pro update!:mad:
 
link to this "fact"?

There is no number floating around of how many the sell. If you look at Apple's desktop numbers and the average price of their desktop sales together with the pricing and delay in 2010 on the Mac Pro it strongly suggests that sales numbers are small - maybe not even 6 figures per year.
 
There is no evidence out there of how many the sell. An understanding of the current state of computer sales, looking at PC numbers - where you can find the number of workstations sold (Jon Peddie), Intel's shipment numbers for Xeons, server sales, but more importantly Apple's desktop numbers and the average price of their desktop sales together with the pricing and delay in 2010 on the Mac Pro suggest strongly that sales numbers are small - maybe not even 6 figures per year.
Going by workstation figures from 2009 (what I could find that was publicly available), I calculated the MP's sales to ~76k units per year (works out to about 6.33k units per month or 19k per Q).

Granted, this is based on 2 y/o data, but it's the closest we're going to get ATM.
 
Going by workstation figures from 2009 (what I could find that was publicly available), I calculated the MP's sales to ~76k units per year (works out to about 6.33k units per month or 19k per Q).

Granted, this is based on 2 y/o data, but it's the closest we're going to get ATM.

Changed my post after thinking about it, you're too quick :).

Using Jon Peddie's data I came to a similar figure. The thing is I suppose Apple's desktop range is less diluted than other companies offerings, and Apple users are used to spending more. I'd be shocked if they were more than 10% of desktop numbers and surprised if they were over 7%.
 
Going by workstation figures from 2009 (what I could find that was publicly available), I calculated the MP's sales to ~76k units per year (works out to about 6.33k units per month or 19k per Q).

Granted, this is based on 2 y/o data, but it's the closest we're going to get ATM.

My guess would be that those numbers are even smaller now. 27" iMac was introduced in late 2009 and I'm sure it has taken away some Mac Pro sales. Then add the moments like this when the $1999 iMac is faster than the base Mac Pro and MP sales don't look too good.
 
It's four months I'm waiting to buy the new Mac Pro! There is also a the Thunderbolt Display but it is unknown anything about Mac Pro update!:mad:

Update to what exactly?!?!?!?!

We are waiting on the new chips.

You would be a idiot to buy SP Mac Pro now and a partial fool to buy the bottom end 2.4 DP given the 3.2 SP Six core will outperform it for less.

If you were after DP system then buy a 2.26 from 2009 for cheap, wack the 2010 firmware on it and place two X5680s or whatever the 6 core chips are in it.

A fool and their money is parted easily.

PS: I'm waiting patiently too...
 
Update to what exactly?!?!?!?!

We are waiting on the new chips.

You would be a idiot to buy SP Mac Pro now and a partial fool to buy the bottom end 2.4 DP given the 3.2 SP Six core will outperform it for less.

If you were after DP system then buy a 2.26 from 2009 for cheap, wack the 2010 firmware on it and place two X5680s or whatever the 6 core chips are in it.

A fool and their money is parted easily.

PS: I'm waiting patiently too...

I think people expect Apple to "magic" the new chips.
 
I'd be shocked if they were more than 10% of desktop numbers and surprised if they were over 7%.
I doubt it's even 7% either (thinking more like 3 - 5%).

My guess would be that those numbers are even smaller now. 27" iMac was introduced in late 2009 and I'm sure it has taken away some Mac Pro sales. Then add the moments like this when the $1999 iMac is faster than the base Mac Pro and MP sales don't look too good.
I'm not so sure this has happened all that much since 2009. Yet. 2008 to 2009 saw a drop due to the pricing increase it seems, but the pre-TB based iMacs are still short on storage (for those that can live with a glossy screen and an embedded mobile GPU).

I say "yet" though, as I'm not sure how much impact the new TB models have actually had on MP sales ATM, due to the lack of TB peripherals available. As they become more available, and combined with consumer chips gaining cores (i.e. 6 cores on LGA1155, and 8 with the following socket), but we're not quite there yet (there it is again... :p). ;)

Gotta love transition periods. :D

You would be a idiot to buy SP Mac Pro now and a partial fool to buy the bottom end 2.4 DP given the 3.2 SP Six core will outperform it for less.
If they can wait, sure.

But if there's an immediate need for financial reasons (earning a living with the machine), then waiting isn't an option. It's in their best interest to go ahead and get one of the current models and earn with it.
 
I'm not so sure this has happened all that much since 2009. Yet. 2008 to 2009 saw a drop due to the pricing increase it seems, but the pre-TB based iMacs are still short on storage (for those that can live with a glossy screen and an embedded mobile GPU).

I say "yet" though, as I'm not sure how much impact the new TB models have actually had on MP sales ATM, due to the lack of TB peripherals available. As they become more available, and combined with consumer chips gaining cores (i.e. 6 cores on LGA1155, and 8 with the following socket), but we're not quite there yet (there it is again... :p). ;)

Gotta love transition periods. :D

Storage isn't the only thing that matters. 24" iMacs were limited to laptop CPUs (well, custom TDP but laptop performance) which made a huge difference between iMac and Mac Pro. Back then, people had to go for Mac Pro to get a decent amount of CPU power and RAM. 27" iMac has changed this. Desktop CPUs and four RAM slots, and the iMac is pretty darn close to the base Mac Pro.

For 3/4 of 2009, Mac Pro was actually a very reasonable machine when compared with the 24" iMac. That must have affected the sales too. However, 2010 was totally different because 27" iMac existed throughout the year.

Not to say that iMac has taken all Mac Pro sales, but I would still claim that the 2009 numbers are bigger than 2010 and 2011. Storage is starting to be the only advantage of Mac Pro (along with PCIe cards), and even that is now questionable due to Thunderbolt.
 
My guess would be that those numbers are even smaller now. 27" iMac was introduced in late 2009 and I'm sure it has taken away some Mac Pro sales. Then add the moments like this when the $1999 iMac is faster than the base Mac Pro and MP sales don't look too good.

Lurker here. Of course, I don't have meaningful numbers... but I can confirm anecdotally that 27" iMacs are taking away Mac Pro sales. What you are saying is, I think, very true.

In the past year two friends with G5s Mac Pros both needed to replace their systems due to HW failures. They are each pro photographers who need fast CPUs for rendering PS filters, and storage. Both of them initially looked at the current Mac Pros, seeing them as a direct replacement. Both of them got the the 27" iMac because of the price.

Their thinking was that while they could have had a faster Mac Pro, the iMac was still going to be multiples of times faster than the old system, and the money saved could go towards camera gear. The added benefit of the Mac Pro was not worth the increased cost, in other words.

And, just as an aside, one of them is finding that PS is considerably less stable on the new iMac than the G5. He isn't on Lion, but snuck in just before it was released and is still on Snow Leopard. But he loves the screen. He's having no issues with it being glossy.
 
lol your assuming i meant fiscal year USA.. ;)

but seriously, i am sure they will announce it when they are good and ready :) I hope its gonna be worth the wait.

cheers
 
Storage isn't the only thing that matters. 24" iMacs were limited to laptop CPUs (well, custom TDP but laptop performance) which made a huge difference between iMac and Mac Pro. Back then, people had to go for Mac Pro to get a decent amount of CPU power and RAM.
My comment was for those that examined their usage, and determined that the fixed CPU, GPU, max RAM capacity, and monitor screen were sufficient for their needs. In such cases, the final deciding factor could be storage (speed, capacity, or both).

27" iMac has changed this. Desktop CPUs and four RAM slots, and the iMac is pretty darn close to the base Mac Pro.
Those that could live with an iMac to begin with, absolutely.

But when we're talking about pros trying to switch from an MP to an iMac, I'm not sure the cannibalization is all that much up to this point (let's say a couple of thousand units), due to the lack of Thunderbolt peripherals actually available. Only those that either didn't need the MP to begin with, or were right on the edge when they bought their last MP for example.

I think of it this way; for those that the current iMac won't quite make it for their needs as-is, but would with TB based solutions to make up for the short comings (better GPU, storage, ..., to importing TB camera data).

Given there aren't many TB peripherals in the marketplace yet, those that could be in this position will wait to switch over to the iMac after these peripherals actually show up (storage products, such as the Promise Pegasus boxes are out, but no GPU solutions or even multi-interface Hubs yet).

Now if the peripherals do show up as promised (and work properly), and aren't hideously expensive, then the TB equipped iMacs will cut deeper into the SP MP sales figures (including the next SP MP when they release). Combining this with further improvements in CPU and GPU performance, it could displace the MP entirely (say once consumer desktop CPU's hit 8 cores per die).

Hopefully this clears things up a bit.

Not to say that iMac has taken all Mac Pro sales, but I would still claim that the 2009 numbers are bigger than 2010 and 2011. Storage is starting to be the only advantage of Mac Pro (along with PCIe cards), and even that is now questionable due to Thunderbolt.
I'm not saying that the 2010 numbers are larger than 2009, as we don't know.

What I am saying however, is I don't think the cannibalization is all that large at the moment. Say a couple of thousand units for those that wouldn't have been able to use an iMac before, not those that overbought with an MP to begin with = shifted to the iMac due to the cost increases on the 2009 or later SP MP's (think enthusiasts who usually would have bought the MP, yet never stuffed a single peripheral in it, were priced out of the LGA1366 based MP's - and they do mostly web browsing for example).
 
If they can wait, sure.

But if there's an immediate need for financial reasons (earning a living with the machine), then waiting isn't an option. It's in their best interest to go ahead and get one of the current models and earn with it.


That is what ebay is for.

Buying new now and loosing for the sake of argument 25% off the machines value as soon as you click purchase isn't really the best way forward, is it :p
 
That is what ebay is for.

Buying new now and loosing for the sake of argument 25% off the machines value as soon as you click purchase isn't really the best way forward, is it :p
I'm talking about business/professional users that earn a living with their machines, not enthusiasts/hobbyists. ;)

In such cases, any value "lost" from buying current technology now when new systems are less than a year away (lets say a Quarter), is more than made up for vs. lost income (either don't have a machine, or the one they're using can't keep up with their workload = lost income due to turning away clients, or worse, losing them due to failure to meet deadlines).

In such cases, it's in that user's best interest to buy now rather than waiting for the next machine to appear.
 
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