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Mac pro 2013 gaming performance

Beta Particle said:
You are confusing the 780Ti with the regular GTX 780.
The GTX 780 and the Titan are roughly on par with each other - especially the factory overclocked 780's.

The 780 Ti is faster than a Titan in every way except compute performance, where it is artificially restricted.
It has more CUDA cores, is clocked higher, and uses faster RAM than the Titan.
Nvidia will be releasing the Titan Black Edition in February to replace the Titan, which will essentially be a 780 Ti with 6GB RAM and unlocked compute performance.
Virtually nothing gaming related will come close to using the 3GB RAM on a 780 Ti though, so the Titan having double the RAM doesn't matter there.
There will also be a GTX 790 released around March, which will be two 780's on a single card.

This is why I suggest anyone buying a system for gaming goes with Nvidia - they're far more focused on gaming performance/features than AMD are.
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You right, just re-read some reviews, the 780Ti does in fact beat the Titan. Though the difference is not worth an upgrade.

The GTX790 will be nice upgrade to the 690, for people who want just one card in thier systems.
 
tuxon86 said:
The only way you could end up with a 100Gb installation of 8.1 is if you do an upgrade and end up with both the old and new version of os and apps. The old version is in a Win.Old folder which can be deleted. No way you can get a 100Gb install from a 4.7Gb install disk....
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I did a clean install of Win 8.1 (Bootcamp) and that took 80GB of space. I used the x64 Enterprise edition. Perhaps it contains more bloatware. But still it seems a lot.

I did remove most of the modern UI apps (it really is useless) but that doesn't seem to amount to much. But any recommendations on how to cut it back to the 20GB range are welcome.
 
Yea, I really can't explain how my boot camp install took so much extra space, but there it is. It was a clean install of 8.1 pro (64 bit) from a DVD followed by the apple supplied boot camp drivers, and though windows did do a lot of downloading as part of the initial setup, I have no idea how almost 100gb got occupied on the drive. If anyone has different results with boot camp and win 8.1 I'd love to hear.
 
MikaMac said:
Yea, I really can't explain how my boot camp install took so much extra space, but there it is. It was a clean install of 8.1 pro (64 bit) from a DVD followed by the apple supplied boot camp drivers, and though windows did do a lot of downloading as part of the initial setup, I have no idea how almost 100gb got occupied on the drive. If anyone has different results with boot camp and win 8.1 I'd love to hear.
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Maybe because Bootcamp reserve disk space for windows to use apart from your OSX... This in itself doesn't mean that Win 8.1 occupies all of that 80 or 100gig. But I can assure you that if you install win 8.1 on a PC it won't take 80 or 100gig.
 
tuxon86 said:
Maybe because Bootcamp reserve disk space for windows to use apart from your OSX... This in itself doesn't mean that Win 8.1 occupies all of that 80 or 100gig. But I can assure you that if you install win 8.1 on a PC it won't take 80 or 100gig.
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In my case, I'm talking about how much space was occupied when booting into a 120GB Windows partition. In other words, booted into Windows for the first time, checked how much space was taken on the C: drive and that turned out to be 80GB. Perhaps the 8.1 install first installs 8.0 and then does the update or something? It still seems a ridiculous amount though.
 
Intelligent said:
Im sure no one bought the nmp for gaming :D, i won't either. but is it anyone that has it (any model/specs), that can try out some games? i wonder how the workstation cards perform, as i said I'm just intressted.
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Of *course* I bought the new Mac Pro for gaming. But I mostly bought it for all the other things I do, but Mac gaming and Windows gaming via Bootcamp was absolutely a consideration.
 
Well, a clean installation of Windows 8.1 on a virtual machine using Parallels occupied exactly 10.1 GB. No extra s/w installed.
 
antonis said:
Well, a clean installation of Windows 8.1 on a virtual machine using Parallels occupied exactly 10.1 GB. No extra s/w installed.
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That seems like a reasonable number. I'm no Windows expert. Does anyone have any tips for Windows software that will analyze what's taking up disk space?
 
lesferdinand said:
Thanks :) I've ran the system utility but it only identified a couple of MB to remove. Better than nothing I guess... ;)

I was thinking more of a Windows equivalent of DaisyDisk.
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Here's what you're looking for. The basic version is free and it's really all I've needed.
 
Windows by default also creates a page file that's exactly the same size as the amount of RAM you have. You can manually control the size of this page file to regain some hard drive space.
 
A reader of a french website did some virtualization testing, under VMWare Fusion.

The Xeon E5-1680 v2 of our Mac Pro eight-core test obviously supports VT - x and VT - d, Intel technologies dedicated to virtualization. With 16 cores and 28 GB of RAM allocated to the virtual machine, the gap between the CPU Cinebench R15 'native' score and the "virtualized" score is barely 10 %.

(...)

The performance [under Starcraft II], however, are more linear on OS X, while they tend to fluctuate by +/-20% on the virtual machine.
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http://www.macg.co/materiel/2014/02...erformants-en-virtualisation-quen-natif-79640

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MikaMac said:
Ah ha, that explains it. Hibernate is definitely the cause for a large chunk of my "lost" space, that's 64GB right there. Thanks for the info!
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Seeing all the new MMOs coming out this year, along with all the Windows-only applications I have via Steam, I might just split the 1TB drive 50/50 between Mac and Windows. I am already nearing the limits of my 360GB Bootcamp partition on this temporary Mac Mini.
 
nathan43082 said:
Seeing all the new MMOs coming out this year, along with all the Windows-only applications I have via Steam, I might just split the 1TB drive 50/50 between Mac and Windows. I am already nearing the limits of my 360GB Bootcamp partition on this temporary Mac Mini.
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I decided to limit Bootcamp to approx. 120GB so that I can move it to an external 128GB TB SSD once my internal SSD gets too full. That doesn't fit too many games but I don't see this as an issue personally. It keeps me more focused with regards to what I play, completing stuff before downloading the next game through Steam (which also makes it almost no hassle to swap games in and out of rotation, provided you've got a fast enough internet connection).

Also, gaming is the secondary or tertiary use of the machine, so I don't want to give it too many resources.
 
antonis said:
Well, a clean installation of Windows 8.1 on a virtual machine using Parallels occupied exactly 10.1 GB. No extra s/w installed.
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It will grow in time with automatic updates. Mine has grown to just over 20 GB for windows alone.
 
lesferdinand said:
completing stuff before downloading the next game through Steam (which also makes it almost no hassle to swap games in and out of rotation, provided you've got a fast enough internet connection).
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I hear you can also create a secondary steam library on an external drive and choose that when you buy a game. And, I assume move it to the primary drive at a later date if you need the speed boost.
 
lesferdinand said:
I decided to limit Bootcamp to approx. 120GB so that I can move it to an external 128GB TB SSD once my internal SSD gets too full. That doesn't fit too many games but I don't see this as an issue personally. It keeps me more focused with regards to what I play, completing stuff before downloading the next game through Steam (which also makes it almost no hassle to swap games in and out of rotation, provided you've got a fast enough internet connection).

Also, gaming is the secondary or tertiary use of the machine, so I don't want to give it too many resources.
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I've had to play the "what game will I remove now to make space?" game in Bootcamp and I am tired of it. I had to do it just last week to make room for the ESO Beta (which I *finally* got into), blowing away GW2 in the process (any guesses as to what I was doing non-stop from Friday at noon until late last night?). Note: I installed both Mac and Windows versions for comparison purposes. They both ran about the same on my temporary Mac Mini.

I'd prefer to not install the games on a separate drive. I want it all nice and tidy in one place; I don't trust Windows enough to do otherwise. I don't mind giving Bootcamp half the 1TB drive, even though gaming is secondary for me as well… well, in my case, "secondary."
 
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nathan43082 said:
I've had to play the "what game will I remove now to make space?" game in Bootcamp and I am tired of it. I had to do it just last week to make room for the ESO Beta (which I *finally* got into), blowing away GW2 in the process (any guesses as to what I was doing non-stop from Friday at noon until late last night?). Note: I installed both Mac and Windows versions for comparison purposes. They both ran about the same on my temporary Mac Mini.

I'd prefer to not install the games on a separate drive. I want it all nice and tidy in one place; I don't trust Windows enough to do otherwise. I don't mind giving Bootcamp half the 1TB drive, even though gaming is secondary for me as well… well, in my case, "secondary."
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Using an external USB 3.0 SSD drive to install all games for Bootcamp, works great. Have Steam and Origin apps on the main drive though.
Tried to move the ESO OSX version to the external drive too, but then the sound disappeared, so you're probably right with that one. :)
 
dermike said:
Using an external USB 3.0 SSD drive to install all games for Bootcamp, works great. Have Steam and Origin apps on the main drive though.
Tried to move the ESO OSX version to the external drive too, but then the sound disappeared, so you're probably right with that one. :)
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Right. I am sure it *can* work and work well, but I'd rather not fuss around with it in case it does not.
 
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