2019 Mac Pro started at $5999.
$1k bump was to cover lower expected sales volume as most pro desktop users prefer the Mac Studio.
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Mac Pro 2023 = Another Mac Pro 2013 crisis and failure.
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$1k bump was to cover lower expected sales volume as most pro desktop users prefer the Mac Studio.
I second that the Studio wont be thermally constrained. If anything, Apple way over engineered the cooling system to begin with. In my time running a Studio Max, I barely ever saw the fans even speed up over the base speed. (I never used the GPU to advantage, but I ran many VM's)
It was likely engineered that way for use cases regarding silent rooms.
It is a significant differentiator between itself and PCs at large.
Many would scoff at this as being overly sensitive but Apple does not intentionally cater to these persons.
I looked at the studio as it will now have the m2 chip.
So I get a 24 core cpu + 76 core gpu maxed out.
I max at 192gb ram
I max at 8tb ssd
I am at 8000 as I get a veteran discount.
I get 10gb eth
I get 4 tbolt
I get 2 usb-c
I get 2 usb
I get an hdmi
the new Mac Pro with all of the above is 10,619
so what do I get for the $2,619 extra.
Not much
a mouse
a keyboard
1 extra hdmi port
1 extra 10gb eth port
4 extra tbolt ports
1 display port
to be fair they mention pci express slots for expansion
so maybe you can beef the gear up that way.
and it would cool better with fans
So I get a 24 core cpu + 76 core gpu maxed out.
I max at 192gb ram
I max at 8tb ssd
I am at 8000 as I get a veteran discount.
I get 10gb eth
I get 4 tbolt
I get 2 usb-c
I get 2 usb
I get an hdmi
the new Mac Pro with all of the above is 10,619
so what do I get for the $2,619 extra.
Not much
a mouse
a keyboard
1 extra hdmi port
1 extra 10gb eth port
4 extra tbolt ports
1 display port
to be fair they mention pci express slots for expansion
so maybe you can beef the gear up that way.
and it would cool better with fans
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Well, you get PCI slots (if you need them) and a fancy tower case 😜
This new Mac Pro is only for people with Pro-Tools HDX cards, UAD cards and AJA/Blackmagic video capture cards and some fancy PCI RAID solutions. They can cough up the £3000 difference if they REALLY can’t stand the thought of external PCI-E to Thunderbolt enclosure in their setup. Looks like that was Apple’s thinking here…
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A 2nd 10GbE port as well, more I/O and a 1.3kW PSU.
So the price gap is less than $2.7k
yeah you answered before I edited that in.
I guess you could add an 8tb ssd on 1 slot and go to 16tb ssd.
So not sure if you could get a gpu in the pci e slot and have it to be better than the onboard gpu.
So likely you could load a few more pcie ssds and have a huge amount of ssds.
corsair built a new fast ssd the mp700 maybe you could load the pro with those.
but they say they are gen 5 not gen 4
so the slots are out of date?https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/dat...5-0-gen-5-x4-nvme-m-2-ssd-cssd-f2000gbmp700r2 they may not operate at top speed in the new pro.
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This. 3D graphics professionals at this point have moved on to Nvidia workstations. The Mac Pro has pretty much become a video/audio professional device at this point, and that's fine.
Besides, the M2 Ultra is no slouch if the M1 Ultra in the previous Mac Studio is anything to go off of. This chip is stupidly overkill. So having that in a Mac Pro is gonna be pretty pog since you'll have a lot more space for heat, and of course the PCIE slots to put your BlackMagic cards, and maybe adding some extra storage.
Well if the priced it lower they would have better sales. Basic supply and demand.
It’s hard to look at the current situation and be optimistic about Apple’s attitude towards the Pro market. Seems like the just don’t care.
OP, you need to read and understand the above. Very few people in the world are clamoring for this type of computer as it is. Is Apple giving up some of those customers to Microsoft? Probably. Does it hurt their business in any meaningful way? Nope. Just makes a bunch of old school Mac users mad, but they get mad at everything.
New Mac Pro is a very specific computer for a very specific group of pro customers (including Apple’s mates at Lucasfilm 😉). It is unnecessary expensive for anyone else, who can as well go with Mac Studio, IMHO.
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Mac Pros are mostly inelastic. Whether it be charged an extra $1k or not. It still has a $2k gap between it and a Mac Studio M2 Ultra.
Despite this I still want a ARM Mac Pro one day because I like beeg >:3
The Pro market you speak about has moved on to Win/Linux boxes in 2013 and 2019. Apple knows that. Those pros who stayed on Mac platform are perfectly happy with Mac Studio and even with new Mac Pro.
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Apple likely has a better net revenue without having to cater to ultra niche use cases. For that Apple's more than willing to let Intel/AMD/Nvidia/Linux/Windows have their money.
Apple knows the typical hardware uses case of their Macs via macOS System Information that anyone sends passively or actively via Internet or when you bring in your Mac to a service center.
Apple isn't alone in doing this. Even STEAM Store shows something similar on their gaming machine stats.
That information helps Apple and other companies focus their R&D on goods and services that 80% or more people would buy.
The 192GB memory limit of the M2 Ultra is likely what 80% or more Macs are likely to not exceed.
That’s it entirely. The Studio is the high end, if you need the high end AND PCIe that’s what the Pro is for. Studio+ PCIe, exactly what everyone clamoring for when the Studio was first announced.
How quickly people’s memories fade.
To be fair a minority of Mac Pro users want the same creature comforts that Intel models provide like modularization of key parts.
Which is $3500 nowadays adjusting for inflation, $500 less than a M2 Ultra Mac Studio, with a lot less RAM and storage than the Studio
And that's just for the Ultra chip, which most don't need. If it's just an M2 Max you'd need then that's $2000
Until 2009 other Macs were too weak to cater to heavy workloads.
Steve transitioned the Mac to Intel in 2006 as he was aware that users will prefer laptops over pro desktops.
That was where the economies of scale for the Power Mac and Mac Pro came from.
For the past decade few people wanted to deal with the price of a Mac Pro.
So Apple looked for ways to cut cost by way of removing PCIe slots.
It reduced the price by $2k-3k per Mac.
The shorter refresh cycle of the Mac Studio is an indicator of its popularity.
The 2009 Mac Pro also came with the Xeon W3520 which Intel sold for $305. Today, the closest Intel Xeon to M2 Ultra CPU-wise is alone over $2000.
The price indicates demand. Lower demand results in lower economies of scale resulting in more expensive goods and services.
This is a result of the post-PC era where in smartphones, tablets, wearables and internet appliances took sales away as they were good enough over a pro desktop.
The manufacturing technology got much more expensive. The dies got much much bigger. And customers are willing to pay much more. A decade ago you could get a decent mid-range GPU for under $200, now it’s two to three times higher and uses more power than the top GPU of that time. You can’t explain these things with economy of scale alone. People in 2009 were not buying Xeons in large quantities.
True and I’ve participated in a very long and informative thread over at Mac Pro forum, where 3D pro users were speculating on how Apple was going to “marry” SOC approach with GPU, RAM and PCI-E expandability. Well, now we know that they will not. The OP of that thread had ordered Puget system at the end. But those were just a few amazing guys who needed discrete PCI Graphics for 3D Rendering and visualisation. A minority of minority who even wanted/needed an expandable Mac Pro…