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Disappointed with Mac Pro 2023?


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daveedjackson

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Thank you for your input Dave, what I find interesting is someone else posted that the M2 Ultra was running AE twice as fast as their old 2019 Mac Pro. I guess it depends on what you are doing in AE. Since you use C4D quite a bit, I suspect that is why the M2 is falling short (what GPU did you have in your 2019 MP?) All things considered anything CPU bound the M2 *should* be faster than the 2019 Xeon.

Maybe the optimization just isn't there yet for Apple Silicon and Adobe. Hell in my opinion Adobe just is not there yet overall when it comes to modern Mac computers. Although the last update to AE it seems to be running very well on my 2019 Mac Pro. It does like to slurp up RAM though...lol.
Oh ae opens super fast, that’s impressive for sure. The 2019 would sit easily for 25 seconds or so with the splash screen loading the core settings etc. this is a click and it’s open. But I struggle with playback on pretty basic things. Sometimes even something like a 3d effect on text from a preset. I was doing some testing yesterday. Clear cache, full hd comp. Nothing complicated. Dragged and dropped a preset and I couldn’t play it back in real time. Get lots of “out of memory” warnings which is hilarious as Apple reckon 192gb is a huge amount. It’s not. It could be adobe not being optimised. But my biggest issue is it’s a pro system. But given pros need to use third party software you’d expect this crap to be ironed out pretty quickly. The gpu in this is well, I think it’s where it’s being let down.

I had an mpx vega ii which I have to say flew.
 
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theorist9

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May 28, 2015
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The descriptor '3D' above highly indicates that you really didn't read what I wrote. That really isn't about 'arm' vs 'x86' .
I *tried* to read it, I really did. But, consistently, I find that much of your prose style is confusing. Thus I have a very hard time following it. I'm used to reading highly technical papers. So it's not about the content, it's about how you communicate it.

[I did see you mentioned "Excel calculations that result in a 2D chart/graph ", but there's nothing in that statement that precludes Solidworks 3D.]

And I practice what I preach. I always try to be considerate to the reader, taking the time to make sure what I write is as understandable as possible. I'm sure you can find a few cases where I've failed at that but, overwhelmingly, if anyone looks at my post history (i.e., if they don't cherry-pick), they will see that I do make such an effort, in spite of the extra editing work that represents.

Here are a couple of recent examples from my posts:

Your prose style indicates either you can't write clearly about technical topics in English (perhaps you lack fluency, which I understand), or can, but choose not to. Either way, given how you write, you should not begrudge those who don't make it a project to try to decipher what you posted. In summary, it's not that I didn't read what you wrote, it's that what you wrote didn't make a readily understandable connection to Solidworks 3D.
P.S. on your problem Redit thread ....

Third entry

" ...
My Solidworks is working buttery smooth....
Yes, I saw that post, but offering just that one quote clearly misrepresents the overall performance experience people are reporting on that thread. I'm disappointed that you would engage in such dishonest cherry-picking. It indicates you don't want to have a serious discussion, but just want to play games. Plus "smooth" doesn't necessarily mean "no loss of performance", as suggested by the first quote, which was my point:

PERFORMANCE
"Thanks for the instructions. This has allowed my work M1 Ultra to run Solidworks 2022 more smoothly (bearable) on Parallels 17 - Windows 11."

"The software work but with many problems, It works but it is super slow."

"The performance of the assemblies and drawings I made so far is not perfect but fair enough considering that it's under and VM and a x64 to ARM emulation."

"For very simple modelling and small part assembly it works fine. When it comes to anything larger it’s very slow and frustrating." [But poster notes this may be due to only allocating 4 GB RAM to the VM.]


EXAMPLES OF TECHNICAL ISSUES

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It seems the take-home message is that you can get most (but not necessarily all) of the functions working and that, in any case, it can be a headache to do so (compared to installing it directly on Windows), which is what I suggested previously.]

"I've managed to go so far as installing SolidWorks successfully, though installing eDrawings and everything after it causes problems."

"Hey so did you get to enable real view graphics. I have the 64 go MacBook Pro max and I’ve been trying to get it to work but no luck. Can you help me?"

"Runs smoothly, no real issues. However, after a couple of months of daily use on the M1 mac, I honestly can’t recommend getting one unless you absolutely need a mac for one major reason. I love this computer for 95% of what I do, but honestly the software hurdles you have to jump because of the M1 chip are a huge pain in the ass sometimes. Even running a VM, a lot of applications either don’t work at all or take a LOT of messing with to get them to run, and even then you can only use as much of your computers power as you can allocate to the vm. Bottom line: the computer and hardware themselves are fantastic and I love them, however, the software just hasn’t caught up in terms of supporting the hardware natively."
 
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0423MAC

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Jun 30, 2020
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Note they did bring in a "Pro Workflow Team" to design the 2019 MP, indicating they still do take that market seriously (or at least did while that team was active; not sure if it still is).

Plus I suspect the reason we don't have an Extreme MP isn't because Apple wasn't interested in offering one, but rather because they decided it was too hard to build.

IMO, what should really distinguish the MP now, given that customers are paying for that very expensive box, is that the entire logic board (which could simply be slid out on the 2019 MP; suspect that's still the case for the AS MP) should be replaceable as new generations of AS come along, for less than the cost of buying the equivalently-equipped Ultra Studio.

E.g., if you've bought an M2 MP, and want to upgrade it to an M5 (assuming the case design is still the same at that time), you should be able to buy a complete M5 board for less than the cost of an equivalently-spec'd (RAM & SSD) M5 Ultra.
Apparently this was the case with the iMac Pro. If you wanted a logic board directly from Apple or a distributor you had to not only buy the logic board itself, but the entire unit as 1. CPU, RAM (which was still removable btw) and all. (Linus mentioned this with Rossman after the bricked iMac debacle).
 
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