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Mac Pro 5,1 Bootcamp Rant

prvt.donut said:
Windows loves clean installs. As does OSX, iOS... Computers love clean installs.
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I haven't done a clean install of OS X in a decade. I just transferred drive from old computer to new computer when I upgrade machines. I did the same when moving from my Mac Pro 5,1 to a hackintosh. I also did the same on my laptops.

Every time I get a new iPhone, I just restore everything from my previous iPhone.
 
h9826790 said:
Use DVD is so much easier on this old Machine.
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You mean Windows is running very slow with HDD? That's nothing to do with SATA, get a SSD will eliminate the bottleneck.

Hardware RAID should work fine, but the Apple software RAID will not, and so far no one reported that he run Windows from a PCIe SSD with proof.
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No i am using an SSD. The drive bays on 5,1 cMP use Sata 2 which maxes out at 3Gb/s. With a pcie m.2 raid I could get around 24 - 30Gb/s

So nobody has had success using bootcamp with a hardware raid?
 
Zaithe said:
No i am using an SSD. The drive bays on 5,1 cMP use Sata 2 which maxes out at 3Gb/s. With a pcie m.2 raid I could get around 24 - 30Gb/s

So nobody has had success using bootcamp with a hardware raid?
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I am running my Windows 10 from an extremely cheap unknown brand 120G SSD via the native SATA 2 port. The speed is not "slow" at all. If you can "feel" the slowness (I mean running the OS, but not copying large files, or running benchmark), then must be something wrong .
 
h9826790 said:
I am running my Windows 10 from an extremely cheap unknown brand 120G SSD via the native SATA 2 port. The speed is not "slow" at all. If you can "feel" the slowness (I mean running the OS, but not copying large files, or running benchmark), then must be something wrong .
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That may or may not be true. I am currently reviewing my choice of getting a 5,1 (Mid 2012) dual 6 Core, 12Gb each, to run boot camp.

I installed a 500Gb Samsung Evo 850 and even the boot up and shutdown seems to take forever (compared to my 6 YO, Asus laptop with 8Gb RAM, and 250 Gb Samsung Evo 840).

Plus there seems to be a lot of compatibility issue with PCI-e usb 3.x card etc.

Cant complain much though I got the Mac Pro 5,1 for free :D
 
bloodwater90 said:
That may or may not be true. I am currently reviewing my choice of getting a 5,1 (Mid 2012) dual 6 Core, 12Gb each, to run boot camp.

I installed a 500Gb Samsung Evo 850 and even the boot up and shutdown seems to take forever (compared to my 6 YO, Asus laptop with 8Gb RAM, and 250 Gb Samsung Evo 840).

Plus there seems to be a lot of compatibility issue with PCI-e usb 3.x card etc.

Cant complain much though I got the Mac Pro 5,1 for free :D
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That's why I said "it must be something wrong", but not the SATA II's problem. My cMP boot / shutdown Windows 10 in seconds.

Which USB 3.x card you used? Both my KT4004 and PME-4U works flawlessly on cMP in both Windows and MacOS.
 
h9826790 said:
That's why I said "it must be something wrong", but not the SATA II's problem. My cMP boot / shutdown Windows 10 in seconds.

Which USB 3.x card you used? Both my KT4004 and PME-4U works flawlessly on cMP in both Windows and MacOS.
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I have yet to get my hands on a USB3.x card, still reading around.

If its not the SATA II's problem, what could it be?

I do apologize for my ignorance, I am only couple days old on this build.
 
bloodwater90 said:
I have yet to get my hands on a USB3.x card, still reading around.

If its not the SATA II's problem, what could it be?

I do apologize for my ignorance, I am only couple days old on this build.
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Software, setting, of even the SSD itself, etc, because it's already been proved many times that boot time is virtually not affected by the connection type. A member here tried all connection types up to PCIe x16 with 4x SM951 in RAID 0. And boot time still the same. I personally also ran the test with the same SSD (840Evo) and the same cMP (flashed 5,1). The boot time is virtually identical (the difference within 1 second, I will say that's more like my measuring error) regardless if I boot from the native SATA II port, or via the Tempo SSD SATA III card (And the card is tested, and confirmed that can deliver SATA III speed). Apps loading time may have minor improvement on SATA III connection (depends on apps), but not significant at all.

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Anyway, what I've found interesting is that if I "restart" my cMP from MacOS to Windows. It occasionally stuck at login screen for along time until I can type anything. However, if I "shutdown and cold boot" to Windows, then it always very speedy to login.

For USB 3.x card. I recommend you get the cheap USB 3.0 card that has FL1100 controller. It's been proved this type of card works so well with cMP. Both my KT4004 and PME-4U are with FL1100. I bought the PME-4U first from a local store, it's works very well, however, it require extra power from the SATA port. So, I bought the KT4004 (link in my signature) online to replace the PME-4U, because KT4004 doesn't require any extra power. Both card never crash, drop connection, etc in both Windows and MacOS.
 
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h9826790 said:
what I've found interesting is that if I "restart" my cMP from MacOS to Windows. It occasionally stuck at login screen for along time until I can type anything. However, if I "shutdown and cold boot" to Windows, then it always very speedy to login.
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Window sometimes stuck on window logo when restarted via bootcamp control panel. Never at login screen, and the rest is smooth sailing. Less than 15s to boot into the desktop from apple boot manager. Did you install your window 10 in Legacy or UEFI mode?
 
STek ZeNIO said:
Window sometimes stuck on window logo when restarted via bootcamp control panel. Never at login screen, and the rest is smooth sailing. Less than 15s to boot into the desktop from apple boot manager. Did you install your window 10 in Legacy or UEFI mode?
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Legacy mode.
 
h9826790 said:
Legacy mode.
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Installation in UEFI mode promotes superior benefits for bootcamp - not officially supported by Mac OS but window 10's latest installation ISO file seems to have found a reliable way to make it seamlessly compatible. AHCI mode is activated for full SATA II speed with improved overall responsiveness on SSD. Rapid mode on Samsung SSD is enabled as well. Installation process can be quite tricky but is well worth at the end.
 

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STek ZeNIO said:
Installation in UEFI mode promotes superior benefits for bootcamp - not officially supported by Mac OS but window 10's latest installation ISO file seems to have found a reliable way to make it seamlessly compatible. AHCI mode is activated for full SATA II speed with improved overall responsiveness on SSD. Rapid mode on Samsung SSD is enabled as well. Installation process can be quite tricky but is well worth at the end.
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Definitely install in UEFI mode.
Installation is a piece of cake if you burn the ISO to CD. Boot from CD and choose EFI instead of Windows when prompted to select boot option and that's it!
 
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It's easy to get AHCI in Legacy. Also, by using WinClone, it's easy to switch between Legacy and UEFI boot. However, UEFI is not good for me because it will crash if boot with a 7950 Mac EFI ROM.
 
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I am a newb to this but I recently bought a mid 2010 MP 5,1. It has High Sierra installed and I am getting no where. I have tried to install windows 15 different ways to no prevail. Boot camp is not compatible with my device, so says the warning when I try and open it. And when I install to the new ssd I bought just for windows it errors out in the install process with the statement that it cannot modify this computers boot sequence. All this happens every time I do one of the processes I find to follow. Do I need to try and downgrade to say El Capitan and windows 7? I would like to run windows 10.
 
RogerWilco said:
Virtualbox is an alternative to Boot Camp, it hosts W10 Pro on Sierra and HS.
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IMO, NO.

Virtual machine’s performance has nowhere near native Windows. Especially GPU performances.

In native Windows, I can use my GTX1080Ti’s video engine to hardware encode multiple videos at the same time. This cannot be done in any VM inside MacOS.

The hardware cannot do anything in the client OS beyond the host OS’s support.
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gobie_01 said:
I am a newb to this but I recently bought a mid 2010 MP 5,1. It has High Sierra installed and I am getting no where. I have tried to install windows 15 different ways to no prevail. Boot camp is not compatible with my device, so says the warning when I try and open it. And when I install to the new ssd I bought just for windows it errors out in the install process with the statement that it cannot modify this computers boot sequence. All this happens every time I do one of the processes I find to follow. Do I need to try and downgrade to say El Capitan and windows 7? I would like to run windows 10.
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Don’t use bootcamp. It won’t help anything.

Try this instead

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/imac-pro-for-gaming.2106295/page-3#post-25878624
 
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I had problems with BootCamp but got Windows 10 installed without it. I removed all drives except one SSD in a SATA II slot; with a windows install DVD disk in the DVD tray (ie no OSX in the machine) - it worked fine then, with the DVD loading the windows installer and installing onto the freshly formatted SSD
 
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gobie_01 said:
I am a newb to this but I recently bought a mid 2010 MP 5,1. It has High Sierra installed and I am getting no where...
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Having went through this last year I can sympathize. From what I can tell there are a two things you're bumping up against, with a default install of High Sierra:
  • The 4,1 and 5,1 Mac Pros are intended to boot into legacy (non-UEFI) mode in Boot Camp, and the boot camp assistant (BCA) for these Macs seems to only officially support Win7.
  • BCA doesn't allow the 4,1/5,1 Mac pros to install Win10 from USB. If you don't have a blank DVD-RW handy this makes installing from BCA a big pain in the butt.

I put together a hacky version of BCA that uses the installer from the 6,1 (2013) Mac to allow installing Win10 - see my post here for the details (ignore the part about APFS, I got that playing nicely with my SSDs). But BCA tries to create a Hybrid MBR, which the latest builds of Win10 don't seem to support (at least, I couldn't get it to boot right).

If you do a clean install (create a Win10 installer USB from the Windows Media Creation Tool), you can get through the install process but the built-in audio might not work since it defaults to UEFI mode.

I ended up doing a clean install to a separate SSD (using a Win10 installer USB from the media creation tool) and using the HDMI audio from my geforce 1060.
 
gobie_01 said:
I am a newb to this but I recently bought a mid 2010 MP 5,1. It has High Sierra installed and I am getting no where.

Do I need to try and downgrade to say El Capitan and windows 7? I would like to run windows 10.
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Apple doesn't officially support Windows 10 on the cMP 5.1. I couldn't use Bootcamp Assistant to install Windows 10 on cMP 5,1. This workaround worked for me on High Sierra: Mac Pro Bootcamp help
 
ActionableMango said:
Plenty of us are using Windows 10. I am on a 5,1. It's fine.

You can't copy Windows from one computer to another like you can with OS X. Blue screens are expected:
http://www.howtogeek.com/239815/why-cant-you-move-a-windows-installation-to-another-computer/

You need to do a fresh install.
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I actually pulled my Windows 10 drive from my Media PC and stuck it in my Mac Pro 5.1 after retiring it for a Mac Pro 2008. It worked. I've actually moved Windows Vista from AMD to Intel, but it required installing quite a bit. It's more like a 50/50 dice roll if you can move an Windows HD to another box.

As mentioned, long as you're not using Bootcamp assistant, you can boot from Windows 10 DVDs or USB sticks on a Mac Pro.
 
Demigod Mac said:
Not Supported =/= Doesn't Work

Windows 10 on my 5,1 is rock-solid.
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What OS are you running and what year 2010, I have received pointers on here but in non of the 6 different ways have I been successful at running Win 10 on my 5,1 mid 2010 single xeon 16 gig mem machine. I am thinking about downgrading away from High Sierra to maybe Yosemite and try again. Boot camp doesn't allow me to use it because it says it is not compatible and then when doing any of the boots from the CD I can make it thru the process and it then tells me it cannot modify the boot sequence and fails.
 
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