MP 7,1 Mac Pro 7,1 Configuration Pricing and Accessories

[MisterAndrew]

This thread is for Mac Pro 7,1 configuration pricing and accessories. This is a WikiPost so anyone with the proper credentials may edit it.

Feel free to post rumors in this thread about upcoming options and accessories from Apple and 3rd parties that are made specifically for the Mac Pro 7,1, but please stay on topic. Please do not post prices for other computers or components that are not made specifically for the Mac Pro 7,1. Note: Pricing is retail for USA in USD.

Base configuration:
Tower: $5,999
Rack: $6,499
8‑core Intel Xeon W-3223 processor (Intel price: $749)
32GB 2666 MHz DDR4 ECC memory (Four 8GB DIMMs)
256GB SSD
AMD Radeon Pro 580X GPU

Processor options:
12-Core Intel Xeon W-3235 processor
Supports up to 768 GB 2933MHz memory
Price: $1,000
Intel price: $1,398

16-Core Intel Xeon W-3245 processor
Supports up to 768 GB 2933MHz memory
Price: $2,000
Intel price: $1,999

24-Core Intel Xeon W-3265M processor
Supports up to 1.5 TB 2933MHz memory
Price: $6,000
Intel price: $6,353

28-Core Intel Xeon W-3275M processor
Supports up to 1.5 TB 2933MHz memory
Price: $7,000
Intel price: $7,453

Memory options:
48GB (Six 8GB DIMMs)
Price: $300

96GB (Six 16GB DIMMs)
Price: $1,000

192GB (Six 32GB DIMMs)
Price: $3,000

384GB (Six 64GB DIMMs)
Price: $6,000

768GB (Six 128GB DIMMs)
Price: $14,000

768GB (12 64GB DIMMs)
Price: $10,000

1.5TB (12 128GB DIMMs) (Requires 24-core or 28-core processor)
Price: $25,000

Standalone memory:

Apple 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 Memory Kit (MX1G2G/A)
Price: $400

Apple 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 Memory Kit (MX1H2G/A)
Price: $800

Apple 64GB (2x32GB) DDR4 Memory Kit (MX1J2G/A)
Price: $1,200

Apple 128GB (2x64GB) DDR4 Memory Kit (MX1K2G/A)
Price: $2,800

Apple 256GB (2x128GB) DDR4 Memory Kit (MX8G2G/A)
Price: $6,000

Graphics options:

Radeon Pro W5500X
CTO price: $200
Standalone kit (MXM52AM/A): $600

Radeon Pro W5700X
CTO price: $600
Standalone kit (MW662AM/A): $1000

2x Radeon Pro W5700X
CTO price: $1,600

AMD Radeon Pro Vega II
CTO price: $2,400 (Discontinued 3 August 2021)
Standalone kit (MW672AM/A): $2,800 (3 August 2021 price reduction: $2,200)

2x Radeon Pro Vega II
CTO price: $5,200 (Discontinued 3 August 2021)

AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Duo
CTO price: $5,200 (Discontinued 3 August 2021)
Standalone kit (MW732AM/A): $5,600 (3 August 2021 price reduction: $4,400)

2x Radeon Pro Vega II Duo
CTO price: $10,800 (Discontinued 3 August 2021)

Radeon Pro W6800X
CTO price: $2,400
Standalone kit (MJ073AM/A): $2,800

Radeon Pro W6800X Duo
CTO price: $4,600
Standalone kit (MJ093AM/A): $5,000

Radeon Pro W6900X
CTO price: $5,600
Standalone kit (MJ103AM/A): $6,000

Storage options:
1TB SSD (Two 512GB modules)
Price: $400
Standalone kit (MXNN2AM/A): $600

2TB SSD (Two 1TB modules)
Price: $800
Standalone kit (MXNP2AM/A): $1000

4TB SSD (Two 2TB modules)
Price: $1400
Standalone kit (MXNQ2AM/A): $1600

8TB SSD (Two 4TB modules)
Price: $2600
Standalone kit (MXNR2AM/A): $2800

Displays:
Pro Display XDR with standard glass (glossy)
Price: $4999

Pro Display XDR with nano-texture glass (matte)
Price: $5999

Pro Stand (MWUG2LL/A)
Price: $999

VESA Mount Adapter (MWUF2LL/A)
Price: $199

AppleCare+ for Pro Display XDR
Price: $499

Accessories and other options:
Apple Afterburner Card
CTO price: $2,000
Standalone kit (MW682AM/A): $2,000

Apple Mac Pro Wheels
CTO price: $400
Standalone kit (MX572ZM/A): $699

Apple Mac Pro Feet
CTO price: Included
Standalone kit (MXNM2ZM/A): $299

Promise Pegasus R4i 32TB RAID MPX Module Kit (HMUE2ZM/A)
Price: $2,299.95

Promise Pegasus J2i 8TB Internal Storage Enclosure (HMUF2ZM/A)
Price: $399.95

Apple Thunderbolt 3 Pro Cable (1.8 m)
Price:

Apple Thunderbolt 3 Pro Cable (2 m)
Price:

Apple Thunderbolt 3 Pro Cable (3 m)
Price:

Apple USB-C to Lightning Pro Cable (1 m)
Price:

Belkin Lock Adapter for Mac Pro (HMUH2ZM/A)
Price: $49.95

Belkin AUX Power Cable Kit for Mac Pro (HMUJ2ZM/A)
Price: $69.95

Logitech 4K Pro Magnetic Webcam for Pro Display XDR (HMUC2ZM/A)
Price: $199.95

AppleCare+ for Mac Pro
Price: $299

 

[MisterAndrew]

To get an idea of pricing for some of the upgrade options we can probably look at the iMac Pro. I compared the price differences between the iMac Pro chips and similar chips on Intel's site. Apple is charging roughly 2x the price difference. For example, Intel's price difference between the 8-core W-2145 and the 10-core W-2155 is $327 ($1440 - $1113). Apple's upgrade price from the 8-core W-2140B to the 10-core W-2150B is $800. For the 14-core the difference is $834 Intel vs. $1600 Apple, and for the 18-core the difference is $1440 Intel vs. $2400 Apple. Of course those are custom chips so we don't know their cost and it appears the Mac Pro is using off-the-shelf CPUs so it will be interesting see how much the price mark-up is. I think we can expect the Mac Pro CPU upgrades from Apple to be somewhere in-between 1x and 2x Intel's price difference. For example, I think we can expect the 12-core option to be between $649 and $1298, and $1250 to $2500 for the 16-core.

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

I think the Intel List prices from when the processors were introduced are bogus. For example, the 28 core chip goes for between 3000-3500 online almost anywhere today, and 6 months from now when they launch in Fall (i.e., last day of fall is December 21), it will be cheaper still.

https://www.rakuten.com/shop/thekey...le_thekeykey&gclid=CNGd9Iup1eICFVI9DAod0oMFQA

For example, Apple charges $2400 for the 18 core upgrade on the iMac pro and you can easily find it for $2600 online.

https://www.servers4less.com/cpu/retail-box/intel-bx80660e52697v4?gclid=CL7qzMSq1eICFQpSDQodCMEGTA


I think it's fair to use the SSD prices from the iMac Pro.

 

[MisterAndrew]

I think the Intel List prices from when the processors were introduced are bogus. For example, the 28 core chip goes for between 3000-3500 online almost anywhere today, and 6 months from now when they launch in Fall (i.e., last day of fall is December 21), it will be cheaper still.

https://www.rakuten.com/shop/thekey...le_thekeykey&gclid=CNGd9Iup1eICFVI9DAod0oMFQA

I think it's fair to use the SSD prices from the iMac Pro.

The 28-core chip is the new W-3275M, not the W-3175X (which Intel lists as $2999).

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

The 28-core chip is the new W-3275M, not the W-3175X (which Intel lists as $2999).

Agreed, but they are very close to the same thing, so I doubt the price should be too different. It's the best proxy we have for a real price and not the lunatic non-real world list prices.

 

[MisterAndrew]

Agreed, but they are very close to the same thing, so I doubt the price should be too different. It's the best proxy we have for a real price and not the lunatic non-real world list prices.

No, the prices you listed are in-line with Intel's price. They are not very close to being the same chip. The new one is faster and uses less power, and supports 4x the memory.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/compare.html?productIds=189452,193754

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

No, the prices you listed are in-line with Intel's price. They are not very close to being the same chip. The new one is faster and uses less power, and supports 4x the memory.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/compare.html?productIds=189452,193754

Oh wow, I stand corrected then!

 

[deconstruct60]

This thread is for Mac Pro 7,1 configuration pricing and accessories. This is a WikiPost so anyone with the proper credentials may edit it.

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Standalone kit price:
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256GB SSD (One 256GB module)
Price: $0 (Free with base model)
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In a tech podcast interview with the Mac Pro Product Manager for the iMac Pro and Mac Pro (https://www.relay.fm/mpu/485 ) he mentions that the keynote didn't highlight that "a lot of of these kits will be sold separately " ( about 15:20 - 16:50 ) [ afterburner and MPX GPU mentioned as two explicit examples but that empty slot waiting to be filled may open a door. Plus folks who need replacement spare part NAND cards. ] . Since Apple is leaving an empty Storage daughter card slot in base configuration. They may sell something to fill it. [ Might have to restore a 'disk' contents from scratch, but a possibility they will sell the 256GB module to folks. ]

So the 'standalone kit' may categories may expand. [ I'm not so sure Apple is going to sell DIMMs as that is more commodity and their pricing is just so bad ]

 

[MisterAndrew]

In a tech podcast interview with the Mac Pro Product Manager for the iMac Pro and Mac Pro (https://www.relay.fm/mpu/485 ) he mentions that the keynote didn't highlight that "a lot of of these kits will be sold separately " ( about 15:20 - 16:50 ) [ afterburner and MPX GPU mentioned as two explicit examples but that empty slot waiting to be filled may open a door. Plus folks who need replacement spare part NAND cards. ] . Since Apple is leaving an empty Storage daughter card slot in base configuration. They may sell something to fill it. [ Might have to restore a 'disk' contents from scratch, but a possibility they will sell the 256GB module to folks. ]

So the 'standalone kit' may categories may expand. [ I'm not so sure Apple is going to sell DIMMs as that is more commodity and their pricing is just so bad ]

All the standalone kits I listed are from Apple's Mac Pro Technical Specs page. Apple lists memory DIMM kits. Let's leave the prices blank until they are actually confirmed, but it's okay to list other prices for the exact same item from another source like the iMac Pro as long as that's specified.

 

[deconstruct60]

The 28-core chip is the new W-3275M, not the W-3175X (which Intel lists as $2999).

Apple just going to for the extra juicy profit margin...

"Normal" 3275 with an 'anemic' 1TB top end. ;-) $4449

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...on-w-3275-processor-38-5m-cache-2-50-ghz.html

but no. to get incrementally 500GB more it is a another $3k ( $7453 )

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...n-w-3275m-processor-38-5m-cache-2-50-ghz.html

Although technically the spec sheet says 2TB. ( Apple perhaps fearful that their pricing on that would get enough customers to cry 'uncle' and not buy ; so not worth it to offer. )
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All the standalone kits I listed are from Apple's Mac Pro Technical Specs page.

The wording in the blog suggested that not all the options may be listed in the current material. I'm just saying that some of these may be "standalone kit" status and it will get more clear later.

Apple lists memory DIMM kits.

I didn't notice that before. Pricing likely to be pretty bad.

Let's leave the prices blank until they are actually confirmed,

And if individual part available status changes.

 

[MisterAndrew]

It seems like Macs have historically supported more memory than Apple specifies, so perhaps you could get the full 2 TB if you used some 256 GB DIMMs.
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The wording in the blog suggested that not all the options may be listed in the current material. I'm just saying that some of these may be "standalone kit" status and it will get more clear later.

Yes, we can expect more options especially as time goes by.

 

[shuto]

Maybe you could add a section for apple sanctioned third party PCIe cards.

Including the connect m.2 4x4 PCIe card which Apple showed at their keynote...
https://www.sonnetstore.com/collections/pcie-cards/products/sonnet-m2-4x4-pcie-card

Seems like a nice way to add m2 SSDs to the 2019 Mac Pro.

Its got a small fan on it, which I am hoping is whisper quiet!

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

Maybe you could add a section for apple sanctioned third party PCIe cards.

Including the connect m.2 4x4 PCIe card which Apple showed at their keynote...
https://www.sonnetstore.com/collections/pcie-cards/products/sonnet-m2-4x4-pcie-card

Seems like a nice way to add m2 SSDs to the 2019 Mac Pro.

Its got a small fan on it, which I am hoping is whisper quiet!

Why not an NVMe PCI card?
http://highpoint-tech.com/USA_new/series-ssd7120-overview.htm

And a nice 15TB NVMe SSD that is faster than the apple SSD and costs less than the 4TB upgrade:
https://www.nothingbutsavings.com/P...MI9t7d9tme4gIVQ0sNCh2b6AcWEAkYASABEgLlPfD_BwE

 

[MisterAndrew]

Maybe you could add a section for apple sanctioned third party PCIe cards.

Including the connect m.2 4x4 PCIe card which Apple showed at their keynote...
https://www.sonnetstore.com/collections/pcie-cards/products/sonnet-m2-4x4-pcie-card

Seems like a nice way to add m2 SSDs to the 2019 Mac Pro.

Its got a small fan on it, which I am hoping is whisper quiet!

Yeah, there are a large number of PCIe add-ons that will work in the Mac Pro, but I created this list as an aide to help decide which configuration and options to order from Apple.

 

[ekwipt]

In a tech podcast interview with the Mac Pro Product Manager for the iMac Pro and Mac Pro (https://www.relay.fm/mpu/485 ) he mentions that the keynote didn't highlight that "a lot of of these kits will be sold separately " ( about 15:20 - 16:50 ) [ afterburner and MPX GPU mentioned as two explicit examples but that empty slot waiting to be filled may open a door. Plus folks who need replacement spare part NAND cards. ] . Since Apple is leaving an empty Storage daughter card slot in base configuration. They may sell something to fill it. [ Might have to restore a 'disk' contents from scratch, but a possibility they will sell the 256GB module to folks. ]

So the 'standalone kit' may categories may expand. [ I'm not so sure Apple is going to sell DIMMs as that is more commodity and their pricing is just so bad ]

Any idea if you could put these in a non MacPro (as in would the PCIe slots line up?)

 

[deconstruct60]

Any idea if you could put these in a non MacPro (as in would the PCIe slots line up?)

Afterburner --- without macOS, it isn't useful. Over Thunderbolt v3 its utility is probably highly limited in the 8K space ( non Mac Pro Macs via a external PCI-e enclosure. ). If it is highly expensive then that loss of utility will be a major blocker. Whether folks want to buy it for 4K (or less) work is too soon to tell.

MPX full height pragmatically won't fit anywhere else. (soaking up 4 slots there are few systems where users would want to make that trade-off. For external TB PCI-e enclosure it is highly doubtful that would be cost effective even if someone build an enclosure to stuff it into. ). The 4 HDD module may get away with just using the 75W from the standard socket ( if pick only modern drives and limited spin up Wattage loads it may tip toe under that limit. ).
the MPX GPU modules with thunderbolt sockets and provisioning to do, those are a mismatch anywhere else.

MPX half height. Maybe. Not sure who'd want the entry card though.

If the notion is that the prices are going to get driven substantially down due to high sales to non Mac Pro users , then I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[frou]

I wonder whether the wheels are going to have a silly enough price to cause another round of negative press coverage.

 

[danwells]

I hope Apple will offer both versions of the top processors - shame to pay $3000 plus Apple Tax extra for a CPU for a Mac that will never have more than a modest 768 GB of RAM

 

[MisterAndrew]

This website is listing the CPUs for sale. For example, the 12-core is $1399.

https://www.shopblt.com/item/intel-xeon-w-3235-proc-19.25m/intel_cd8069504152802.html
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I hope Apple will offer both versions of the top processors - shame to pay $3000 plus Apple Tax extra for a CPU for a Mac that will never have more than a modest 768 GB of RAM

They won’t. But you could order the 28-core W-3275 from a 3rd party, like the one I linked above for $4,400. It’s also possible the $2,999 W-3175X might work in the Mac Pro, but I’m not sure because it’s Skylake. It also only supports 512GB RAM.

 

[Coyote2006]

I wonder, can't we just buy one of these SSDs Apple is using somewhere else and plug them in?

 

[MisterAndrew]

I wonder, can't we just buy one of these SSDs Apple is using somewhere else and plug them in?

The SSDs are proprietary NAND daughter cards, so you'd have to get them from Apple or a second-hand system pull. I don't think Apple has announced SSD upgrade kits. If they don't sell those from the Apple store then you'd have to order them as a service part and they're very expensive.

 

[danwells]

I'm not so sure they won't offer both the low and high RAM options on the upper end CPUs. 768 GB is a lot of RAM (it's the biggest symmetric configuration you can get in 12 slots, filling in groups of 6 while staying under 1 TB - 12x 64 GB or 6x 128 GB will both get to 768 GB ). You could theoretically get to 960 GB without losing memory channels (6x 128 GB + 6x 32 GB - but very asymmetric memory configurations don't always work out so well.

The theoretical 1.5 TB RAM configuration has two problems... First, the DIMMs for full performance don't even exist yet (at least at Newegg) - 128 GB per DIMM ECC registered RAM does exist (some of it load reduced), but they only go up to 2666 MHz - the Mac Pro supports 2933 MHz.

Second, even before any Apple Taxes, those DIMMs are just about $1300 EACH. 12 of them is darned close to $20,000 worth of RAM.

2 TB is an impossible configuration on that board, or anything other than a small number of EPYC boards that support dual DIMMs on each of 8 channels, or (using asymmetric configurations) a dual Xeon-SP board with both processors installed (two DIMMs per channel, 6 channels per processor, 24 RAM slots total - 3 TB symmetric is actually possible, while 2 TB is impossible to hit exactly under 6-channel rules - 12x 128 plus 12x 32 or 6x 64 is 1920 GB, which is awfully close). Getting to 2 TB with anything else would require (presently nonexistent) 256 GB DIMMs.

Is it really worth slapping a $3000 surcharge on all processors above 16 cores just to support one exotic $20,000 memory upgrade?

I suspect the most popular Mac Pro RAM configuration will be 192 GB. 32 GB ECC DIMMs are commodity items, and 192 GB is 6 of them... Maybe many of the high-core count models will have 384 GB (the sensible way to get there is 6x 64 GB leaving 6 open slots). Even a 384 GB machine can still have its memory doubled without running afoul of the "small-memory" CPU...

 

[MisterAndrew]

Yeah that’s right. I edited the first post to show the max RAM for each processor as 768 GB or 1.5 TB, as specified by Apple (rather than the actual limit). That’s interesting though that you could theoretically install 960 GB with the lower-end processors in an asymmetric configuration.

 

[Coyote2006]

The SSDs are proprietary NAND daughter cards, so you'd have to get them from Apple or a second-hand system pull. I don't think Apple has announced SSD upgrade kits. If they don't sell those from the Apple store then you'd have to order them as a service part and they're very expensive.

Thanks for the info. What a nightmare. Modularity yes, but only Apple parts ... duh!

 

[danwells]

Not too worried about the SSDs. The Mac Pro has a ton of PCIe slots, and PCIe cards with NVMe connectors on them are a dime a dozen. Basic models that convert an x4 PCIe slot into a single NVMe are under $10. Simple PCIe x16 to 4 NVMe cards are in the $50-$100 range. Even high-end RAID-capable quad NVMe cards are around $500 - not a big expense in the realm of the Mac Pro. Many users will probably buy 1 TB of Apple SSD, so the boot drive is less cramped (the T2 may prevent booting from drives in a PCIe slot), then expand the storage by using PCIe slots.